Kyler Murray, QB OU

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
That makes complete sense to me, I don't think it would hurt his value much either, they only have to convince a team that other teams are bidding high, the auction effect will get their value back.

This is a bad QB class, teams will pay up.

Good point about the QB class. I haven't even considered the particular class because we're set with Jimmy and Nick.

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by braap49er:

I heard on the Rich Eisen show that all they heard after the combine was Murray will go #1 to the Cardinals. And that they won't trade JR until the draft and they know for a fact they have drafted Murray. Even if a team offers their #1 pick. JR is their backup plan if for some crazy reason they don't draft Murray #1... like if Murray decides he wants to play MLB right before the draft. They can't risk not have a QB at all

hmmmmmm, didn't consider that... I just assumed KM was sold out now for the NFL, but in reality he could go MLB any time he wants... makes sense why the Tards would hold out, that and trying to drive up the QB trade value factor that always seems to escalate right at the draft... like deer in the rut, are those GMs looking for a franchise QB

He ain't playing no baseball. What's he gonna do, go play for the Stockton Ports and Midland Texas Rockhounds for 3 years while he learns to hit MLB pitching when the nfl basically guarantees him a starting job and a bigger contract?

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by braap49er:
I heard on the Rich Eisen show that all they heard after the combine was Murray will go #1 to the Cardinals. And that they won't trade JR until the draft and they know for a fact they have drafted Murray. Even if a team offers their #1 pick. JR is their backup plan if for some crazy reason they don't draft Murray #1... like if Murray decides he wants to play MLB right before the draft. They can't risk not have a QB at all

Who is they? This is all stuff being reported by people with no actual ties to the organization. The reporters that follow the team most closely all are saying that pretty much everything is on the table and a tradedown is still the most favored option.

Hence why Rosen hasn't been moved...yet

Oakland could come out of the woodwork with a stupid trade offer and they'd have to take it. End of the day Murray will be going #1

Teams wanting Rosen best be ready on draft night to offer their best compensation for Rosen.

Not sure if this has been noted yet, but PFF recently listed Murray as their #1 player on their board. Same place they had Mayfield all of last year, when he was considered a mid-round pick.

Starting to feel like this really will be the pick. Just hoping we don't overthink it and just take Bosa!!

Originally posted by Bimbo_Coles:
Not sure if this has been noted yet, but PFF recently listed Murray as their #1 player on their board. Same place they had Mayfield all of last year, when he was considered a mid-round pick.

Starting to feel like this really will be the pick. Just hoping we don't overthink it and just take Bosa!!

outside of AZ finding a massive trade for Murray, I think it's pretty safe to say he will be the pick. PFF is right to have him #1 dude was pretty damn amazing last yr.

IF we didn't have Jimmy G and Kliff was our HC, I'd be down to take Murray.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Bimbo_Coles:
Not sure if this has been noted yet, but PFF recently listed Murray as their #1 player on their board. Same place they had Mayfield all of last year, when he was considered a mid-round pick.

Starting to feel like this really will be the pick. Just hoping we don't overthink it and just take Bosa!!

outside of AZ finding a massive trade for Murray, I think it's pretty safe to say he will be the pick. PFF is right to have him #1 dude was pretty damn amazing last yr.

IF we didn't have Jimmy G and Kliff was our HC, I'd be down to take Murray.

As confident as I was in Patrick Mahomes coming out, I feel equally confident in Murray. Not saying Murray will be league MVP right away but he would be a serious problem for us if Arizona takes him. There was some crazy stat that said he was only tackled 7 times all year, not sacked... TACKLED. The guy is probably the greatest running QB of all time over Vick.

Originally posted by braap49er:
I heard on the Rich Eisen show that all they heard after the combine was Murray will go #1 to the Cardinals. And that they won't trade JR until the draft and they know for a fact they have drafted Murray. Even if a team offers their #1 pick. JR is their backup plan if for some crazy reason they don't draft Murray #1... like if Murray decides he wants to play MLB right before the draft. They can't risk not have a QB at all

I believe it. Also, I mentioned this a week or two ago, but it also protects them against an "Act of God".

What if Kyler Murray gets in a bad car accident tomorrow?
What if rape accusations drop against him?
...etc...

Wait as long as you can. Suitors are going to be there no matter how long they wait. Nobody is going to make their best offer right now anyway, they'll wait until the last second.

Originally posted by T-9ers:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by braap49er:
I heard on the Rich Eisen show that all they heard after the combine was Murray will go #1 to the Cardinals. And that they won't trade JR until the draft and they know for a fact they have drafted Murray. Even if a team offers their #1 pick. JR is their backup plan if for some crazy reason they don't draft Murray #1... like if Murray decides he wants to play MLB right before the draft. They can't risk not have a QB at all

hmmmmmm, didn't consider that... I just assumed KM was sold out now for the NFL, but in reality he could go MLB any time he wants... makes sense why the Tards would hold out, that and trying to drive up the QB trade value factor that always seems to escalate right at the draft... like deer in the rut, are those GMs looking for a franchise QB

He ain't playing no baseball. What's he gonna do, go play for the Stockton Ports and Midland Texas Rockhounds for 3 years while he learns to hit MLB pitching when the nfl basically guarantees him a starting job and a bigger contract?

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Originally posted by Hopper:

Originally posted by T-9ers:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by braap49er:

I heard on the Rich Eisen show that all they heard after the combine was Murray will go #1 to the Cardinals. And that they won't trade JR until the draft and they know for a fact they have drafted Murray. Even if a team offers their #1 pick. JR is their backup plan if for some crazy reason they don't draft Murray #1... like if Murray decides he wants to play MLB right before the draft. They can't risk not have a QB at all

hmmmmmm, didn't consider that... I just assumed KM was sold out now for the NFL, but in reality he could go MLB any time he wants... makes sense why the Tards would hold out, that and trying to drive up the QB trade value factor that always seems to escalate right at the draft... like deer in the rut, are those GMs looking for a franchise QB

He ain't playing no baseball. What's he gonna do, go play for the Stockton Ports and Midland Texas Rockhounds for 3 years while he learns to hit MLB pitching when the nfl basically guarantees him a starting job and a bigger contract?

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No one said he was going back to baseball. It's just another reason out of 1 million reasons to wait until the last second. ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN

Originally posted by braap49er:

Originally posted by Hopper:

Originally posted by T-9ers:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by braap49er:
I heard on the Rich Eisen show that all they heard after the combine was Murray will go #1 to the Cardinals. And that they won't trade JR until the draft and they know for a fact they have drafted Murray. Even if a team offers their #1 pick. JR is their backup plan if for some crazy reason they don't draft Murray #1... like if Murray decides he wants to play MLB right before the draft. They can't risk not have a QB at all

hmmmmmm, didn't consider that... I just assumed KM was sold out now for the NFL, but in reality he could go MLB any time he wants... makes sense why the Tards would hold out, that and trying to drive up the QB trade value factor that always seems to escalate right at the draft... like deer in the rut, are those GMs looking for a franchise QB

He ain't playing no baseball. What's he gonna do, go play for the Stockton Ports and Midland Texas Rockhounds for 3 years while he learns to hit MLB pitching when the nfl basically guarantees him a starting job and a bigger contract?

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No one said he was going back to baseball. It's just another reason out of 1 million reasons to wait until the last second. ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN

Exactly.

When John Elway threatened to "go baseball", everybody knew he was bluffing. Except that Elway had already played a short season of professional Class A ball in the Yankees farm system. He was very highly regarded, hitting for average and power with a Clemente/Bo Jackson outfield arm. He had been drafted before future HOFer Tony Gwynn. Everybody knew he was bluffing but...

At that time, NFL rookies made a pittance compared to today. Murray doesn't have anything like Elway's leverage. NFL money has skyrocketed. Murray's baseball is a non-issue.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Bimbo_Coles:
Not sure if this has been noted yet, but PFF recently listed Murray as their #1 player on their board. Same place they had Mayfield all of last year, when he was considered a mid-round pick.

Starting to feel like this really will be the pick. Just hoping we don't overthink it and just take Bosa!!

outside of AZ finding a massive trade for Murray, I think it's pretty safe to say he will be the pick. PFF is right to have him #1 dude was pretty damn amazing last yr.

IF we didn't have Jimmy G and Kliff was our HC, I'd be down to take Murray.

As confident as I was in Patrick Mahomes coming out, I feel equally confident in Murray. Not saying Murray will be league MVP right away but he would be a serious problem for us if Arizona takes him. There was some crazy stat that said he was only tackled 7 times all year, not sacked... TACKLED. The guy is probably the greatest running QB of all time over Vick.

Only reason I'm not super worried about him going to Arizona is because it helps us get Bosa or Williams...which makes us a scary DL which will likely make his life hell whenever we play them. I don't care if he's as slippery as Wilson on speed, he's going to get hit in this league, especially with that OL.

I also don't think he's as strong upstairs like Mahomes or Wilson...i could be wrong but that's why I'm not afraid of Arizona getting the next Mahomes.

There's no reason to love Rosen until Murray is officially in the team. NFL teams know Rosen will be available, they need to have their best offers ready to roll on draft night simple as that

Nice post , Giedi. The whole deal here is are we getting Bosa, and the answer now is a yessss. Why?

Cards GM screwed up and hacked off Arians, their best HC in , well, ever. And he did that by passing on Mahommes. So with no real HC QB, they got a guy who coached Mahommes, and he may /may not be a hot shot QB coach. AZ's owner is betting on it. That is silly, or so it seems. It's the QB, stupid, not necessarily the coach, when it comes to Mahommes.

So AZ has got lots of holes and initially i thot they were chumming for bait, er teams with no or a ? At QB. Rosen has good fundamentals, but not a great HC nor QB coach.

What they need badly is inside pass rush and 50% of pundits and coaches think Q is equal of Bosa. But a DT at #1? That will get their owner a raspberry and he knows it.

Here, kingsbury/ AZ owner steps in and he either has to have murray(which i doubt) or he has to have a great QB coach as HC to get Rosen on track for excellence. Maybe he can and Rosen becomes KING KONG.

So either way, they HAVE to HAVE murray, or they have to get a HC to coach up Rosen. Check and DONE. They got a guy who coached up a star, Mahommes. Now the question is does kingsbury really have to have murray or is he fine with Rosen. One way they just make murray the pick. The other is they package him up for #4 or #6, but Gruden is the guy. He HAS to have Murray. He cant' take many more yrs like thiis, even with a 10 yr contract.

So stage is set BY murray, and if he goes AZ,, we get Bosa.

If they go RAIDS at #4, then they get the one guy they REALLY needed most, interior DL, Q. But this way they can hold Gruden hostage for another 1st rounder / or a pair of them or equivalent . 1 and two twos, or add a 3rd rd also. Basically this trade would be off the comp scale of trades because it is #1, Gruden is pinched, and has to improve,(he got his WR). So i think AZ just bends Gruden over the barrel and gets blood out of a turnip. Gruden's blood.

When Gruden is done with this draft he''s going to think he went 10 rounds with Ali...or maybe 15.

Note that all the above has nothing to do with Bosa, because murray, Q, and a bunch of other picks ...Raids to AZ...will be something Gruden just cannot say no to. AZ has him by the short and curlies. Coogars Revenge by Claude Balls. That is what this is all about. We just sit on the sidelines and watch it get played out.

The odd thing...i don't think that murray is even half as good as he is made out. Best running QB of all time...even better than Vick at this stage. But this isn't college and i have a hard time seeing that little guy squirt here and there as the RAIDS offense. He would be a horrible mistake for Gruden or Gettleman. IMO, of course.

No question he has a cannon for an arm. But he wins by running. Big surprise coming for him in the NFL. Same applies to whoever lands him. Sure glad it won''t be us.

Oh, yeah, we get Bosa at #2. Oh, did i mention that already?

In an effort to save his job, Keim has backed himself into a corner. He hired KK to be their "McVay". In so doing, with the #1 overall pick, it created this issue with Kyler Murray, though at the time, it was unclear if he was going to play baseball or football. The best outcome for Keim would have been for Murray to stay with the A's. Once that didn't happen, Keim was placed in a near impossible situation. If he forces KK to keep and work with Rosen, if it doesn't go well, Rosen was Keim's pick, KK can say he wanted Murray and was told no and Keim takes the blame. If it goes well with Rosen, KK probably still gets most of the credit for his offensive system, developing Rosen, etc. (i.e. like the credit McVay got for turning Goff around after Goff's rookie year). If Murray is taken #1 overall and Rosen is traded, if he does well, KK gets the credit. If it doesn't go well, KK and Keim probably share the blame as there is sure to be blame placed on the roster around Murray, which, again, places blame on Keim. If Rosen is traded and does well, any positives for Keim about his moving up to pick Rosen will be overshadowed by criticism of him not believing in and standing fast with Rosen. Taking all of that into consideration, at this point, Keim has to pick Murray, hope it goes well. He may not get the majority of the credit, but he can say that he identified his coach, he got his coach his QB and good things happened. It's just about his only out short of Murray deciding before the draft to go back to baseball.

^^^ Nicely thot out.