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Quinnen Williams, DT Alabama

Originally posted by Nastastical:
I know everyone is afraid of us taking yet another interior DL, but if you can grab a player as disruptive as Williams, you do it. I would hate for us to pass on a future all-pro and reach for an edge rusher who might not have the same ceiling as Williams. Take the BPA and figure the rest out later.

Yep, and past draft history shouldn't matter. It's not about we we drafted, it's about who we have. We dont stop drafting a position until its filled. If Bosa is gone, my first vote is trade down. If unable, I'm happy with Williams or Deionte Thompson. Hopefully there are some good ER in FA (that aren't franchise tagged) that the niners are willing to pay out, so we have this level of flexibility in the draft
Originally posted by Nastastical:
Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:
Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
I really really think this guy is special. Tape matches the grade.

He's one of the best players in the draft and would instantly be one of the best players on our defense alongside Buckner and Foster. I can't imagine him not being successful in the NFL - he's extremely athletic for his size, uses his hands extremely well, and is dominant against the run and pass. He's far and away the best player on Alabama's defense which is loaded with NFL talent. Sadly, interior DL/big DE isn't a major need, but I wouldn't be upset if we took him around 5 overall. He could be the best player available.

I know everyone is afraid of us taking yet another interior DL, but if you can grab a player as disruptive as Williams, you do it. I would hate for us to pass on a future all-pro and reach for an edge rusher who might not have the same ceiling as Williams. Take the BPA and figure the rest out later.

Considering where we are likely drafting, I don't think this applies at all. We are in Bosa, Ferrell, and Polite territory. Those are not reaches. Not even close.
Originally posted by Heroism:
Brother Adrian, this is where we go separate ways. I've had a change in my draft philosophy in recent years, and I can't, under no circumstances, get on board with taking a DT in the early part of the first round anymore, especially given the logjam we've currently got.

I'm as big of a Defo homer as anyone on here, but if I had to make that pick again today, I don't think I'd do it. There are just so many good interior DL to found later in the draft, and none, not Defo, Atkins, McCoy, etc., affect the game like Donald. He's truly one of a kind. If the team wants to sign a yet another quality IDL that plays nose and 3t, Grady Jarrett will be a FA.

Not to disrespect Donald, but who plays on the line with him? Who has played with him his entire career? Compare the guys on the line next to Donald to the guys on the line next to Buckner. Not to say that's the only reason for his success, but I'd like to see Buckner if he had just had ONE other pass rusher offenses had to worry about. Donald has had multiple his entire career.
Arrgh I wanted to put a block against Quinnen as I really don't want another interior guy, but man is he good.

He is the college version of Aaron Donald, and before someone says so was Solomon, it was only true for one game.

If you project him to have similar success in the NFL you'd be hard pushed to pass, I think he's up there with Bosa (maybe better) as a prospect.

I'm hoping we win a couple more and the decision is taken out of our hands.
Well I think edge rusher if definitely a higher priority if only because Williams fills a somewhat duplicate role as Buckner up the middle so I'd prefer to find a premier edge rusher. That said, this team needs somebody else who can generate pressure and scare opposing QBs a bit. Thomas is a decent player but he does not fill that role.
Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Arrgh I wanted to put a block against Quinnen as I really don't want another interior guy, but man is he good.

He is the college version of Aaron Donald, and before someone says so was Solomon, it was only true for one game.

If you project him to have similar success in the NFL you'd be hard pushed to pass, I think he's up there with Bosa (maybe better) as a prospect.

I'm hoping we win a couple more and the decision is taken out of our hands.

You trade down. Under no circumstance should we be drafting an interior prospect. Under no circumstance should we be signing one as an UDFA. Under no circumstance should be signing one as a FA. We have 8 on the roster it seems. We have more than two capable starters at the position. If we are going to take the next step, it isn't by adding an interior guy, no matter how good. Our edge rush is nonexistent. We have no corners outside of Sherman. We could do better in pass protection. Our receiving group is nothing without Goodwin. All of this to fix takes priority over getting another interior guy.
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Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by NYniner85:

This is crazy lol. I don't know if I've ever seen a DL beat two sets of punches from different OL.

Double swim move
This guy is so good. Its completely dependant on FA, but if we come away with one of the top ER (Clowney or Tank) you've got to consider this guy. Trade back into the 1st for Polite or Sweat...pass rush instantly tops. Of course, if we dont get a premier guy in FA, then yes, need to take am Edge or 2 (or 3) in the top of the draft
Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
This guy is so good. Its completely dependant on FA, but if we come away with one of the top ER (Clowney or Tank) you've got to consider this guy. Trade back into the 1st for Polite or Sweat...pass rush instantly tops. Of course, if we dont get a premier guy in FA, then yes, need to take am Edge or 2 (or 3) in the top of the draft

The funny thing is that everyone knows we have a weak pass rush and need guys that can get to the QB, but some don't want Q because he brings his pass rushing from the interior. Why does it matter where he gets to the QB from? We simply need guys that can do it and this kid can do it better than most in the country. Just watch him play and you'll come away impressed. Teams HAVE TO DOUBLE HIM and as seen in the clip posted above, he can still sometimes destroy the double and get to the QB. I can see teams stressing over who to double between Q and DeFo.

I'm not drafting a lesser player just because he plays EDGE. Trade down? sure if we can get real good compensation, but you don't trade down just to trade down either.

Anyway, I really hope Clowney or Lawrence makes it to free agency and we blow everyone else's offers off the table, then we can comfortably draft whoever we want in the top 5, including Quinnen Williams. That would be some insane heat we could bring into the 2019 season.
Originally posted by Nastastical:
Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
This guy is so good. Its completely dependant on FA, but if we come away with one of the top ER (Clowney or Tank) you've got to consider this guy. Trade back into the 1st for Polite or Sweat...pass rush instantly tops. Of course, if we dont get a premier guy in FA, then yes, need to take am Edge or 2 (or 3) in the top of the draft

The funny thing is that everyone knows we have a weak pass rush and need guys that can get to the QB, but some don't want Q because he brings his pass rushing from the interior. Why does it matter where he gets to the QB from? We simply need guys that can do it and this kid can do it better than most in the country. Just watch him play and you'll come away impressed. Teams HAVE TO DOUBLE HIM and as seen in the clip posted above, he can still sometimes destroy the double and get to the QB. I can see teams stressing over who to double between Q and DeFo.

I'm not drafting a lesser player just because he plays EDGE. Trade down? sure if we can get real good compensation, but you don't trade down just to trade down either.

Anyway, I really hope Clowney or Lawrence makes it to free agency and we blow everyone else's offers off the table, then we can comfortably draft whoever we want in the top 5, including Quinnen Williams. That would be some insane heat we could bring into the 2019 season.

How would our interior players look now if there was any pressure coming from the edge?
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by Nastastical:
Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
This guy is so good. Its completely dependant on FA, but if we come away with one of the top ER (Clowney or Tank) you've got to consider this guy. Trade back into the 1st for Polite or Sweat...pass rush instantly tops. Of course, if we dont get a premier guy in FA, then yes, need to take am Edge or 2 (or 3) in the top of the draft

The funny thing is that everyone knows we have a weak pass rush and need guys that can get to the QB, but some don't want Q because he brings his pass rushing from the interior. Why does it matter where he gets to the QB from? We simply need guys that can do it and this kid can do it better than most in the country. Just watch him play and you'll come away impressed. Teams HAVE TO DOUBLE HIM and as seen in the clip posted above, he can still sometimes destroy the double and get to the QB. I can see teams stressing over who to double between Q and DeFo.

I'm not drafting a lesser player just because he plays EDGE. Trade down? sure if we can get real good compensation, but you don't trade down just to trade down either.

Anyway, I really hope Clowney or Lawrence makes it to free agency and we blow everyone else's offers off the table, then we can comfortably draft whoever we want in the top 5, including Quinnen Williams. That would be some insane heat we could bring into the 2019 season.

How would our interior players look now if there was any pressure coming from the edge?

Probably the same because other than Buckner, none of the rest consistently show the ability to push the pocket or win 1v1 matchups. All basically are very good against the run and non factors on passing downs. In Thomas defense though, he hasn't gotten an opportunity to do it in games since we refuse to let him play inside on passing downs.

Anyway I want Williams if we can first pluck a premier edge rusher through trade or free agency. Williams could then be drafted comfortably.
[ Edited by Nastastical on Nov 11, 2018 at 1:36 PM ]

Originally posted by Nastastical:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by Nastastical:
Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
This guy is so good. Its completely dependant on FA, but if we come away with one of the top ER (Clowney or Tank) you've got to consider this guy. Trade back into the 1st for Polite or Sweat...pass rush instantly tops. Of course, if we dont get a premier guy in FA, then yes, need to take am Edge or 2 (or 3) in the top of the draft

The funny thing is that everyone knows we have a weak pass rush and need guys that can get to the QB, but some don't want Q because he brings his pass rushing from the interior. Why does it matter where he gets to the QB from? We simply need guys that can do it and this kid can do it better than most in the country. Just watch him play and you'll come away impressed. Teams HAVE TO DOUBLE HIM and as seen in the clip posted above, he can still sometimes destroy the double and get to the QB. I can see teams stressing over who to double between Q and DeFo.

I'm not drafting a lesser player just because he plays EDGE. Trade down? sure if we can get real good compensation, but you don't trade down just to trade down either.

Anyway, I really hope Clowney or Lawrence makes it to free agency and we blow everyone else's offers off the table, then we can comfortably draft whoever we want in the top 5, including Quinnen Williams. That would be some insane heat we could bring into the 2019 season.

How would our interior players look now if there was any pressure coming from the edge?

Probably the same because other than Buckner, none of the rest consistently show the ability to push the pocket or win 1v1 matchups. All basically are very good against the run and non factors on passing downs. In Thomas defense though, he hasn't gotten an opportunity to do it in games since we refuse to let him play inside on passing downs.

Anyway I want Williams if we can first pluck a premier edge rusher through trade or free agency. Williams could then be drafted comfortably.

Not so sure about that. Day has looked pretty good. He's the kind of guy that would look Pro-Bowlish with dominant players around him. The other guys might look solid. Either way, given our lack of outside pass rush and the fact that there are going to be some really good players available, I just can't see this pick being justified. It's not like Bosa is the only top 5 player out there. What do you have against the other guys that you'd be willing to pass on all of them (they won't be available in the 2nd round)?
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Not so sure about that. Day has looked pretty good. He's the kind of guy that would look Pro-Bowlish with dominant players around him. The other guys might look solid. Either way, given our lack of outside pass rush and the fact that there are going to be some really good players available, I just can't see this pick being justified. It's not like Bosa is the only top 5 player out there. What do you have against the other guys that you'd be willing to pass on all of them (they won't be available in the 2nd round)?

You don't need to have anything against the other edge guys except that they're nowhere near as good as Quinnen.

Once you see it you can't unsee it. Unless a team (or fan base) needs a QB or has Aaron Donald they would be morons to not even consider him.
[ Edited by 49erBigMac on Nov 14, 2018 at 3:09 PM ]
We need to win a couple of games or there will be a meltdown on here. As it stands if we draft #2, Bosa goes #1, unless we get a great trade down offer I don't know how you could pass on Quinnen.

He's just that good.
Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
We need to win a couple of games or there will be a meltdown on here. As it stands if we draft #2, Bosa goes #1, unless we get a great trade down offer I don't know how you could pass on Quinnen.

He's just that good.

If it happens people will complain, but that will soon stop when those fans realize how good this kid is. Many don't seem to understand how dominant he is against the run and pass. He's a wrecking ball and I would love to see teams try and double Buckner with this kid playing next to him. '

Long ways to go until the draft, but if Bosa isn't there, I feel like the pick has to be Quinnen or Ferrell/Polite and I'm not so sure either of those edge players will impact games the way Q can.
Originally posted by Nastastical:
Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
We need to win a couple of games or there will be a meltdown on here. As it stands if we draft #2, Bosa goes #1, unless we get a great trade down offer I don't know how you could pass on Quinnen.

He's just that good.

If it happens people will complain, but that will soon stop when those fans realize how good this kid is. Many don't seem to understand how dominant he is against the run and pass. He's a wrecking ball and I would love to see teams try and double Buckner with this kid playing next to him. '

Long ways to go until the draft, but if Bosa isn't there, I feel like the pick has to be Quinnen or Ferrell/Polite and I'm not so sure either of those edge players will impact games the way Q can.

I'm with you on this one braddah. The thought of Q next to Buck on every down is crazy. Then because of the depth of edge rushers in this class, getting maybe Chase Winovich in the 2nd
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