Nick Bosa, EDGE, Ohio St(The Politics Free Thread)

Originally posted by bopicksix:

Cohn get folks riled up but really only stated facts. very complimentary with a Justin Smith comp. There is no bosa hate. Won't play a high impact position on this current roster -fact. Family historically has put their own financial interests ahead of the game and their teammates -fact.

Nothing to hate about that, just not a good fit for the 49ers.

Oh okay Cohn. We know it's you lol.

Yup he wouldn't play an impact position like LEO for this defense. There is no fact to backup you saying it's a fact...therefore you should say your opinion.

How does Joey Bosa saying he doesn't want off-set language in his contract mean he's all about money? Show me where he put himself ahead of his teammates....I haven't read one thing stating he's a locker room d-bag. Nick while couldn't play helped his teamates all yr this yr as well.

If you don't think he's a fit for this defense then I question your football knowledge. Sorry

Sooooo, for the sake of argument. Here's Bosa's combine numbers compared to some other guys.

Bench Press:
N. Bosa - 29
Khalil Mack - 23
Von Miller - 21
DeMarcus Lawrence - 20
Melvin Ingram - 28
J. Clowney - 21

3 cone
N. Bosa - 7.1
Khalil Mack - 7.08
Von Miller - 6.7
DeMarcus Lawrence - 7.46
Melvin Ingram - 6.83
J. Clowney - 7.27

Broad Jump
N. Bosa - 116
Khalil Mack - 128
Von Miller - 126
D. Lawrence - 113
Melvin Ingram - 109
J. Clowney - 124

10 yard split
N. Bosa - 1.55
Khalil Mack - 1.56
Von Miller - 1.59
D. Lawrence - 1.62
Melvin Ingram - 1.62
J. Clowney - 1.59

Originally posted by bopicksix:

High impact in the sense of paying a high salary or investing significant draft capital. When you have a solid group up front, gamers in defensive backfield, you grab a 3rd-5th rounder or an undrafted Michael Bennett type to develop to play Leo. That position is icing on the cake and success there is a result of being stacked with talent.

jd, Nick's 10-yard split was 1.55

Originally posted by bopicksix:

Originally posted by Niners99:

lol he literally plays the perfect position for this scheme...

Maybe he does but we add an earl thomas at single high safety and Wagner type sideline to sideline speed in the middle, another gamer at cb, and all the sudden Ronald Blair looks like Michael Bennett. No need to invest top pick or spend big money at Leo.

No. A good secondary starts with a pass rush, not the other way around. Playing DB is a losing battle if the QB has all day, and it doesn't matter how good you are back there.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Sooooo, for the sake of argument. Here's Bosa's combine numbers compared to some other guys.

Bench Press:
N. Bosa - 29
Khalil Mack - 23
Von Miller - 21
DeMarcus Lawrence - 20
Melvin Ingram - 28
J. Clowney - 21

3 cone
N. Bosa - 7.1
Khalil Mack - 7.08
Von Miller - 6.7
DeMarcus Lawrence - 7.46
Melvin Ingram - 6.83
J. Clowney - 7.27

Broad Jump
N. Bosa - 116
Khalil Mack - 128
Von Miller - 126
D. Lawrence - 113
Melvin Ingram - 109
Broad Jump - 124

10 yard split
N. Bosa - 1.6
Khalil Mack - 1.56
Von Miller - 1.59
D. Lawrence - 1.62
Melvin Ingram - 1.62
J. Clowney - 1.59

Looks pretty damn good to me...like I said closest thing to Mack. His game is very similar to Mack and DLaw imo.

According to someone we don't need a player like that and it's a secondary issue to worry about...rushing the passer

Originally posted by Niners99:

No. A good secondary starts with a pass rush, not the other way around. Playing DB is a losing battle if the QB has all day, and it doesn't matter how good you are back there.

Lol hey let's add 3 pro-bowlers at CB/S/CB and we don't have to worry about adding ONE top end pass rusher.

He keeps throwing out micheal Bennett when Cliff Avril was there as well. AND they're about to give Frank Clark $15 million per yr.

I still can't believe we are going to get Nick Bosa! All year we stressed out, hoping the team would get a chance to draft him, and now we are going to add him to our team. Awesome!

Originally posted by daragon:

I still can't believe we are going to get Nick Bosa! All year we stressed out, hoping the team would get a chance to draft him, and now we are going to add him to our team. Awesome!

Still don't believe it 100%. 50 days til draft, so much could happen. Believe it when my white 49ers #97 Bosa jersey arrives.

Originally posted by Heroism:
jd, Nick's 10-yard split was 1.55

Top 3 10 yard splits for DL
1) Ben Banogu 1.47
2) Montez Sweat 1.50
t 3) Nick Bosa 1.55
t 3) Chase Winovich 1.55

— Daniel Jeremiah (@MoveTheSticks) March 3, 2019

good call, I was going off a tweet that must've been unofficial

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Sooooo, for the sake of argument. Here's Bosa's combine numbers compared to some other guys.

Bench Press:
N. Bosa - 29
Khalil Mack - 23
Von Miller - 21
DeMarcus Lawrence - 20
Melvin Ingram - 28
J. Clowney - 21

3 cone
N. Bosa - 7.1
Khalil Mack - 7.08
Von Miller - 6.7
DeMarcus Lawrence - 7.46
Melvin Ingram - 6.83
J. Clowney - 7.27

Broad Jump
N. Bosa - 116
Khalil Mack - 128
Von Miller - 126
D. Lawrence - 113
Melvin Ingram - 109
Broad Jump - 124

10 yard split
N. Bosa - 1.6
Khalil Mack - 1.56
Von Miller - 1.59
D. Lawrence - 1.62
Melvin Ingram - 1.62
J. Clowney - 1.59

Looks pretty damn good to me...like I said closest thing to Mack. His game is very similar to Mack and DLaw imo.

According to someone we don't need a player like that and it's a secondary issue to worry about...rushing the passer

yeah......a great pass rush can hide a lot of sins in the secondary and make life for your DB's so much easier. It's a lot easier finding guys that only have to cover for 3 seconds vs 7.......

The biggest question shouldn't be about whether or not Bosa is a fit here. That's obvious and if anyone says otherwise......I don't even know what to reply with.

The bigger question is, is Bosa a fit for ARI? I know he's probably a player that transcends scheme but with ARI playing a 3-4 and having Chandler Jones, are they really going to want either Bosa or Jones dropping into coverage?

I know it wouldn't be a lot, like Chubb or Miller, but it's still there.

If I were Shanny and ARI drafted Bosa I'd come out in 21 personnel and scheme Jerrick McKinnon in the flat vs Bosa about 9 times in a row and call it a game.

Bosa is a DE through and through. If ARI wants a outside guy, to me, Allen would be the better fit there.

Originally posted by bopicksix:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Leo is not a high impact position?! WTF are you talking about.

High impact in the sense of paying a high salary or investing significant draft capital. When you have a solid group up front, gamers in defensive backfield, you grab a 3rd-5th rounder or an undrafted Michael Bennett type to develop to play Leo. That position is icing on the cake and success there is a result of being stacked with talent.

i'm scratching my head at this post to the point of rawness...the amount of wtf in that post is pretty incredible.

1. There is no more impactful position in the NFL outside of QB than pass rusher. Just look at the players that just got franchised tagged and how many of them are pass rushers. Check how many top pass rushers in the NFL are non first rounders. Out of the top 20 guys last year in sacks the only guys not drafted in the first round were

Chris Jones
Danielle Hunter
Frank Clark
Calais Campbell
Demarcus Lawerence
Jarran Reed

Out of all of thsoe guys only Danielle Hunter was a 3rd rounder and a bunch of those guys dropped in the draft due to off the field issues like Chris Jones and Frank Clark.

2. Solid group up front? Where do you think DE plays?

3. Michael Bennett didn't play Leo. The league is different now and as you can see from point 1 pass rushers are not easy to find later in the draft for a reason.

4. When you're picking high you need to invest in positions which are not easy to find later in the draft or frequently available in free agency.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Sooooo, for the sake of argument. Here's Bosa's combine numbers compared to some other guys.

Bench Press:
N. Bosa - 29
Khalil Mack - 23
Von Miller - 21
DeMarcus Lawrence - 20
Melvin Ingram - 28
J. Clowney - 21

3 cone
N. Bosa - 7.1
Khalil Mack - 7.08
Von Miller - 6.7
DeMarcus Lawrence - 7.46
Melvin Ingram - 6.83
J. Clowney - 7.27

Broad Jump
N. Bosa - 116
Khalil Mack - 128
Von Miller - 126
D. Lawrence - 113
Melvin Ingram - 109
Broad Jump - 124

10 yard split
N. Bosa - 1.55
Khalil Mack - 1.56
Von Miller - 1.59
D. Lawrence - 1.62
Melvin Ingram - 1.62
J. Clowney - 1.59

Unreal broad jump from broad jump. 124 is outstanding

Even the big name draft evaluators who base their mocks off what they hear are making it happen