Ogbonnia Okoronkwo, DE/OLB, Oklahoma

Originally posted by m_brockalexander:

So, now the question is.......,will the Niners take him at #9/10 or would they trade back a few spots and take him somewhere in the teens?

I just can't see any possible way that he'd be the best player available at 9/10. IMO it would be a huge reach, I don't mind reaching if it's a guy you really want, but not at the expense of drafting a stud.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by m_brockalexander:

So, now the question is.......,will the Niners take him at #9/10 or would they trade back a few spots and take him somewhere in the teens?

I just can't see any possible way that he'd be the best player available at 9/10. IMO it would be a huge reach, I don't mind reaching if it's a guy you really want, but not at the expense of drafting a stud.

He's not.

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by m_brockalexander:

So, now the question is.......,will the Niners take him at #9/10 or would they trade back a few spots and take him somewhere in the teens?

I just can't see any possible way that he'd be the best player available at 9/10. IMO it would be a huge reach, I don't mind reaching if it's a guy you really want, but not at the expense of drafting a stud.

He's not.

Pretty much what I thought. Okoronkwo is good, but not elite. Would love to have him, but not at the expense of a true stud like Nelson or one of the top CB's.

I like him, He has nice hustle and keep going when he is in there. Is he the best pass rusher I'm not sure yes or no. I 100% want them to draft a pass rusher. Maybe 2 pass rushers. I would like him to be one of them. Taking him at pick 10 I'm not sure about that.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by BigBug415:

Originally posted by jreff22:

should trade AA

Please do. 🙏
I'd take a 3rd round pick.

I'm mocking us sending AA and 7-22 to DET for 4-17

Not happening. AA's value is damn near rock bottom right now because of the lack of production and injuries. We'll just keep him as depth until someone else forces him off the roster. If that happens then you either move him for a 6th-7th or release him. No one is giving up anything of value for him though.

Originally posted by dlance:

I like him, He has nice hustle and keep going when he is in there. Is he the best pass rusher I'm not sure yes or no. I 100% want them to draft a pass rusher. Maybe 2 pass rushers. I would like him to be one of them. Taking him at pick 10 I'm not sure about that.

Pass rushers and QB's are the 2 positions you don't play the waiting game on if you have a guy high on your board. If you love a player, then you select him before someone else steals him away. It's the same reason we took Aldon slightly higher than most thought he would go.

Originally posted by dlance:
I like him, He has nice hustle and keep going when he is in there. Is he the best pass rusher I'm not sure yes or no. I 100% want them to draft a pass rusher. Maybe 2 pass rushers. I would like him to be one of them. Taking him at pick 10 I'm not sure about that.

He's not the best(Chubb=EDGE1,IMO), but I believe a cogent argument can be made that he's EDGE2 in the draft. I'm sure he's going to be a polarizing prospect for teams. Some teams will love him and others will heavily dock him for his size or lack thereof.

Originally posted by m_brockalexander:

Pretty much what I thought. Okoronkwo is good, but not elite. Would love to have him, but not at the expense of a true stud like Nelson or one of the top CB's.

No sense in taking Nelson. He isn't a scheme fit.

And it makes no sense in drafting corners if we have no pass rush.

Originally posted by SteveYoung:

Originally posted by m_brockalexander:

Pretty much what I thought. Okoronkwo is good, but not elite. Would love to have him, but not at the expense of a true stud like Nelson or one of the top CB's.

No sense in taking Nelson. He isn't a scheme fit.

And it makes no sense in drafting corners if we have no pass rush.

No sense in reaching on a pass rusher either. Dude is not a top 10 pick.

Originally posted by Nastastical:
Pass rushers and QB's are the 2 positions you don't play the waiting game on if you have a guy high on your board. If you love a player, then you select him before someone else steals him away. It's the same reason we took Aldon slightly higher than most thought he would go.

I agree and add Left Tackle to the list. If he is as good as Aldon draft him at 10. I'm not sure if he is. I think there will be some good player at pick 10 that mite be rater higher then Ogbonnia Okoronkwo. Like an ILB or CB that can play every down. I like Harold Landry as a pass rusher. He is a little bigger and maybe a little faster I'm not sure if he is a top 10 pick maybe he is ? I have a terrible record for picking pass rusher and QB out of collage. It is really hard to translate both of those position into the NFL because they will be going against the best every week. alot of the player they went against in collage will never make the NFL. I had no idea Aldon would be that good or that big of a screw up.

Originally posted by SteveYoung:

Originally posted by m_brockalexander:

Pretty much what I thought. Okoronkwo is good, but not elite. Would love to have him, but not at the expense of a true stud like Nelson or one of the top CB's.

No sense in taking Nelson. He isn't a scheme fit.

And it makes no sense in drafting corners if we have no pass rush.

No sense in drafting corners? Ever heard of coverage sacks?

Originally posted by dlance:

Originally posted by Nastastical:

Pass rushers and QB's are the 2 positions you don't play the waiting game on if you have a guy high on your board. If you love a player, then you select him before someone else steals him away. It's the same reason we took Aldon slightly higher than most thought he would go.

I agree and add Left Tackle to the list. If he is as good as Aldon draft him at 10. I'm not sure if he is. I think there will be some good player at pick 10 that mite be rater higher then Ogbonnia Okoronkwo. Like an ILB or CB that can play every down. I like Harold Landry as a pass rusher. He is a little bigger and maybe a little faster I'm not sure if he is a top 10 pick maybe he is ? I have a terrible record for picking pass rusher and QB out of collage. It is really hard to translate both of those position into the NFL because they will be going against the best every week. alot of the player they went against in collage will never make the NFL. I had no idea Aldon would be that good or that big of a screw up.

I didn't know s**t about Aldon really until we drafted him lol.. Not gonna lie. I do remember I didn't start seeing him in the first probs not until March. My point? We got a legit 3-3.5 months atleast before we get to see some guys finishing climbing...or dropping, followed by giving a legit shot/thought at seeing how the board might fall IMO.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Isn't 34.5" relatively short?

no way anything over 34" for a pass rusher is solid....especially being 6 foot

I mean Davenport is like 6-6 and has shorter arms

Yeah not just "good" or "solid".. 34.5" is insanely long in general.. just unreal for someone his size

Originally posted by Wewillwin:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Isn't 34.5" relatively short?

no way anything over 34" for a pass rusher is solid....especially being 6 foot

I mean Davenport is like 6-6 and has shorter arms

Yeah not just "good" or "solid".. 34.5" is insanely long in general.. just unreal for someone his size

It's not even just his freakish arm length that keep tackles from getting to his chest, but the fact that he looks like a natural pass rusher who attacks with a plan. Dude has pass rushing moves ontop of moves. He can beat you outside or inside because you have to respect his speed, then he counters back inside with ease.

The more I watch of this kid the more I like him. I had Chubb as my #1 edge because he does it all off the edge, but as pure pass rushers I have to go with Ogbo. Chubb has the potential to be dominant, but he has to learn to chain his moves together better because bull rushing every tackle won't work in the NFL. I think some DL coach will help him with that, but his pass rushing won't be as good early on until he develops more counter moves.

The things that Chubb does better than Ogbo is playing the run way better because of his size and he also has really violent hands. Ogbo would benefit big time if he used those long arms more violently to keep people off of him.

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by SteveYoung:

Originally posted by m_brockalexander:

Pretty much what I thought. Okoronkwo is good, but not elite. Would love to have him, but not at the expense of a true stud like Nelson or one of the top CB's.

No sense in taking Nelson. He isn't a scheme fit.

And it makes no sense in drafting corners if we have no pass rush.

No sense in drafting corners? Ever heard of coverage sacks?

Haha yeah, that's a nonsense thing to say. CB is just as big of a need as DE for us. Luckily there are more options there in both FA and the draft.