The Marcus Davenport Hype Train Is Leaving the Station

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Yeah if we want a raw DE with upside might as well draft Lorenzo Carter later. Dude is more athletic than Davenport anyway.

The team needs the best pass rusher whoever that may be in regards to our scheme. If they think that will be Carter that's fine but I doubt anyone thinks that.

Originally posted by Butter:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by gold49digger:
got it now we can return to the subject to this thread.

i don't like davenport. #teamlandry

Yeah if we want a raw DE with upside might as well draft Lorenzo Carter later. Dude is more athletic than Davenport anyway.

Here's a couple options to go with Carter:
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Lorenzo Carter Georgia 1-2
6-5
250
4.46
2.60
1.56
no bench
36
10'10"
no SS
No 3-cone

Ade Aruna Tulane 4-5
6-5
262
4.60
2.71
1.59
18
38 1/2
10'08"
4.48
7.53

Kylie Fitts Utah 4
6-4
263
4.69
2.72
1.61
31
32 1/2
09'09"
4.19
6.88

If we're looking at these guys, I'd much rather have Kemoko Turay.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Yeah if we want a raw DE with upside might as well draft Lorenzo Carter later. Dude is more athletic than Davenport anyway.

Nvm Carter didn't completely test. Should be noted Davenport did his #'s 10 pounds heavier.

The team needs the best pass rusher whoever that may be in regards to our schemr. If they think that will be Carter that's fine but I doubt anyone thinks that.

The point with Carter is if you're looking for "upside" & "potential" then use a lower pick on someone like Carter instead of a top 10 pick on Davenport.

You throw out the Danielle Hunter stuff when talking about Davenport but he was a 3rd rd pick. Carter IMO is more like Hunter. Carter was up to 260 at his pro-day.

FWIW I'm not advocating for Carter, just stating I want more polished prospects with higher picks and if you want to take a high ceiling low floor player do it later in the draft (he's just an example of that same with a guy like Kemoko Turay).

Originally posted by NYniner85:

The point with Carter is if you're looking for "upside" & "potential" then use a lower pick on someone like Carter instead of a top 10 pick on Davenport.

You throw out the Danielle Hunter stuff when talking about Davenport but he was a 3rd rd pick. Carter IMO is more like Hunter. Carter was up to 260 at his pro-day.

FWIW I'm not advocating for Carter, just stating I want more polished prospects with higher picks and if you want to take a high ceiling low floor player do it later in the draft (he's just an example of that same with a guy like Kemoko Turay).

I throw out Hunter as a guy who was seen as raw yet blossomed into a great player. As you know I'll also use Ansah in those same sentences and he was a top 10 pick.

I can't speak to where Min was when they drafted Hunter but we need a top sack guy. It's our #1 need right now. The reason Davenport should be considered (not advocating to draft him though) is because you have multiple experts, sackseer predicting he will be the best sack artist in this class. I see no one doing that with Carter.

This isn't a we can draft Roquan and throw a dart at the board and hope it sticks at de. The team has to dissect every pass rusher and come out with who they think will be the best for our scheme. That doesn't have to be Landry or Davenport I'd be fine going Roquan then Nwisu but only if they have extreme confidence in that later de pick.

Originally posted by tjd808185:
I throw out Hunter as a guy who was seen as raw yet blossomed into a great player. As you know I'll also use Ansah in those same sentences and he was a top 10 pick.

I can't speak to where Min was when they drafted Hunter but we need a top sack guy. It's our #1 need right now. The reason Davenport should be considered (not advocating to draft him though) is because you have multiple experts, sackseer predicting he will be the best sack artist in this class. I see no one doing that with Carter.

This isn't a we can draft Roquan and throw a dart at the board and hope it sticks at de. The team has to dissect every pass rusher and come out with who they think will be the best for our scheme. That doesn't have to be Landry or Davenport I'd be fine going Roquan then Nwisu but only if they have extreme confidence in that later de pick.

No you have people slobbing over his upside and potential...not that he will be a day one sack artist. Everyone has stated he's raw (which is my whole point)

Sure they have to do their due diligence and they have. IMO and that's all it is, drafting on potential/upside and "what ifs" in the top 10 isn't the way to make your team better. That's what you're 2nd-6th rd picks are for.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

No you have people slobbing over his upside and potential...not that he will be a day one sack artist. Everyone has stated he's raw (which is my whole point)

Sure they have to do their due diligence and they have. IMO and that's all it is, drafting on potential/upside and "what ifs" in the top 10 isn't the way to make your team better. That's what you're 2nd-6th rd picks are for.

People take upside picks top 10 all of the time. There's this qb who may go 1 with a 55% cmpl out of Wyoming.

The facts are with Davenport is he has some elite traits on the prototypical body. Over 10 pounds on Carter too. If the team brings him in and feels he can be coached up you may have an Ansah who contributed immediately btw. 15 sacks his 1st 2 years which is great for anyone.

I like Landry though and prefer him over Davenport just not as close minded as you are here.

Originally posted by genus49:

Don't want to take away from this thread...well at least with talk about Bears players lol.

But...what are you talking about he's nothing worth trading for? Dude has over 1100 yards rushing in both seasons there with like 0 threat of a passing game. The kid is legit. His average is 5.1 ypc as a rookie and 4.71 as a second year player. That's not high volume compiler numbers.

Sorry, I disagree. He's looks mediocre 95% of the game, then breaks a couple runs. I know exactly what his stats say, but the eyeball test says he's not special.

I wouldn't be surprised if they go RB early to help him out.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

People take upside picks top 10 all of the time. There's this qb who may go 1 with a 55% cmpl out of Wyoming.

The facts are with Davenport is he has some elite traits on the prototypical body. Over 10 pounds on Carter too. If the team brings him in and feels he can be coached up you may have an Ansah who contributed immediately btw. 15 sacks his 1st 2 years which is great for anyone.

I like Landry though and prefer him over Davenport just not as close minded as you are here.

Qbs aren't in the same realm when you talk about upside so don't compare. He's actually not 10 lbs bigger, carter showed up at his pro-day at 260....again I'm not comparing carter to davenport. It's the whole upside "what if" stuff vs actually being good and when you should draft a guy like that.

It has zero to do with Landry vs davenport or being close minded, so stop with that BS. I simply don't think davenport is a top 10 prospect period. I've watched as much as I could on him and all I see is a power based north/south rusher with tight hips. I see no real bend and no plan. I see high pad-level and NFL caliber OT will have no problem with him.

If I'm wrong I'll gladly eat some humble pie.

Originally posted by strickac:
Sorry, I disagree. He's looks mediocre 95% of the game, then breaks a couple runs. I know exactly what his stats say, but the eyeball test says he's not special.

I wouldn't be surprised if they go RB early to help him out.

As someone who lives in Chicago... Everything you said is wrong.

Originally posted by strickac:

Sorry, I disagree. He's looks mediocre 95% of the game, then breaks a couple runs. I know exactly what his stats say, but the eyeball test says he's not special.

I wouldn't be surprised if they go RB early to help him out.

I mean 4.6 ypc on 528 attempts is pretty damn good. Runs a little upright and doesn't catch a ton of balls, but he most certainly is a good RB

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

No you have people slobbing over his upside and potential...not that he will be a day one sack artist. Everyone has stated he's raw (which is my whole point)

Sure they have to do their due diligence and they have. IMO and that's all it is, drafting on potential/upside and "what ifs" in the top 10 isn't the way to make your team better. That's what you're 2nd-6th rd picks are for.

People take upside picks top 10 all of the time. There's this qb who may go 1 with a 55% cmpl out of Wyoming.

The facts are with Davenport is he has some elite traits on the prototypical body. Over 10 pounds on Carter too. If the team brings him in and feels he can be coached up you may have an Ansah who contributed immediately btw. 15 sacks his 1st 2 years which is great for anyone.

I like Landry though and prefer him over Davenport just not as close minded as you are here.

His elite traits don't necessarily result in sacks. He'll continue to work on his technique, but he'll probably never be a sack artist. He'll be a guy that generates pressure, but doesn't finish the play.

The prototype for LEO falls more in line with the Landry types. Speed and quickness are king there and that's not Davenport's game. He's length and power. He has good quickness and straight line speed for his size, but it's not on the same level as Landry's and it never will be. The burst isn't there.

In this defense Davenport isn't a good fit IMO, unless you're going to stand him up at SAM, which also seems a bit questionable to me and a big reach.

I think he'll become a productive base end, but not a sack guy. If we put him at LEO it would be like putting Solomon there. He'd have an effect, but he's not what we need at the position.

Should develop into a good player, but poor fit.

PFF started fueling the Davenport train prior to the 2017 season on the backs of strong grading the prior two seasons. He made us look smart (a rarity) by delivering a monster senior season in which he collected 57 total pressures – 18 more than his previous career high. Tons of guys produce at a high-level at Group of 5 schools but won't sniff this list because they lack athleticism. That's not the case with Davenport however, as he ran a 4.58 40 at 264-pounds and broad jumped 10-foot-4 in Indy.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/draft-college-prospects-whose-pass-rushing-should-translate-to-the-nfl

Originally posted by Jcool:

PFF started fueling the Davenport train prior to the 2017 season on the backs of strong grading the prior two seasons. He made us look smart (a rarity) by delivering a monster senior season in which he collected 57 total pressures – 18 more than his previous career high. Tons of guys produce at a high-level at Group of 5 schools but won't sniff this list because they lack athleticism. That's not the case with Davenport however, as he ran a 4.58 40 at 264-pounds and broad jumped 10-foot-4 in Indy.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/draft-college-prospects-whose-pass-rushing-should-translate-to-the-nfl

And you can see who's #1 on their edge list....

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by strickac:

Sorry, I disagree. He's looks mediocre 95% of the game, then breaks a couple runs. I know exactly what his stats say, but the eyeball test says he's not special.

I wouldn't be surprised if they go RB early to help him out.

As someone who lives in Chicago... Everything you said is wrong.

Nope. Like I said, good player, but nothing special. Give him enough carries and he'll eventually make a big play, but that's it.

If you give Brieda 250 carries he's going to have some good stats too.

I don't want to derail this thread anymore than I feel like I have. I'm just not impressed with Howard. If he didn't have that long run once a game, he'd be on the bench. If Chicago had another option, he'd disappear.

Let's see if he can fend off Cohen and whoever they bring in through the draft. I may be eating my words later for this, but I don't see him sustaining the carries

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Qbs aren't in the same realm when you talk about upside so don't compare. He's actually not 10 lbs bigger, carter showed up at his pro-day at 260....again I'm not comparing carter to davenport. It's the whole upside "what if" stuff vs actually being good and when you should draft a guy.

It has zero to do with Landry vs davenport or being close minded so stop with that BS. I simply don't think davenport is a top 10 prospect period. I've watched as much as I could on him and all I see is a power based north/south rusher with tight hips. I see no real bend and no plan. I see high pad-level and NFL caliber OT will have no problem with him.

If I'm wrong I'll gladly eat some humble pie.

So he added 10 pounds. At the combine he was 250, Davenport 264. That's the only even track where they tested. It can be faulty to compare pro day #'s to combine #'s.

I could care less if you eat humble pie. That means nothing here. Your opinion is noted it doesn't make it better than 4 out of 5 experts saying he'll be the pass rusher 5 years from now despite seeing your concerns.