Bradley Chubb DE North Carolina State

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Oh, I completely get the reason to like Landry, I just think there's a lot of rose-tinted glasses being worn.

For me there is no scheme or scenario that could make me pick Landry over Chubb.

Chubb is closer to Garrett than he is to Landry.

I like Chubb but he's not in Garrett level.

I really wish Garrett did the shuttle and 3 cone at the combine just to get some comparisons on him but Garrett is a ridiculous pass rush prospect. Dude checked pretty much all the boxes.

Size, athletic ability, off the charts combine testing, arm length, height/weight, technique, speed, production, consistency...

Chubb is a much more well rounded player so I can understand grading him higher. At his floor he's a guy who can do a great job rushing the passer and being a terror vs the run.

However I think Landry has the potential as a pass rusher closer to Garrett than Chubb does.

Would you prefer Robert Mathis or Kevin Carter? Carter was a lot more well rounded as a player but Mathis overall was a better pass rusher.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Oh, I completely get the reason to like Landry, I just think there's a lot of rose-tinted glasses being worn.

For me there is no scheme or scenario that could make me pick Landry over Chubb.

Chubb is closer to Garrett than he is to Landry.

I like Chubb but he's not in Garrett level.

I really wish Garrett did the shuttle and 3 cone at the combine just to get some comparisons on him but Garrett is a ridiculous pass rush prospect. Dude checked pretty much all the boxes.

Size, athletic ability, off the charts combine testing, arm length, height/weight, technique, speed, production, consistency...

Chubb is a much more well rounded player so I can understand grading him higher. At his floor he's a guy who can do a great job rushing the passer and being a terror vs the run.

However I think Landry has the potential as a pass rusher closer to Garrett than Chubb does.

Would you prefer Robert Mathis or Kevin Carter? Carter was a lot more well rounded as a player but Mathis overall was a better pass rusher.

Landry hype train is getting out of hand for a guy who's technically short with below avg length and inconsistent production for most of his college career.

Originally posted by jcs:

Landry hype train is getting out of hand for a guy who's technically short with below avg length and inconsistent production for most of his college career.

Comments like this make me smh. So i guess Demarcus Lawrence and Von Miller are short

Originally posted by Dillesq:

Originally posted by jcs:
Landry hype train is getting out of hand for a guy who's technically short with below avg length and inconsistent production for most of his college career.

Comments like this make me smh. So i guess Demarcus Lawrence and Von Miller are short

Lawrence had 34" arms and 11" hands vs Landry's 32 7/8" arms and 9" hands and he didn't lay an egg his final year in college like Landry, Von Miller had 4.53 speed to Landry's 4.64 with 33 1/2 inch arms and was considerably quicker in the 3 cone and shuttle...he also didn't lay an egg like Landry his final year in college and he plays OLB.

Landry is a 1st round prospect but I don't see him as the best possible pass rusher for this team in this draft.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Oh, I completely get the reason to like Landry, I just think there's a lot of rose-tinted glasses being worn.

For me there is no scheme or scenario that could make me pick Landry over Chubb.

Chubb is closer to Garrett than he is to Landry.

I like Chubb but he's not in Garrett level.

I really wish Garrett did the shuttle and 3 cone at the combine just to get some comparisons on him but Garrett is a ridiculous pass rush prospect. Dude checked pretty much all the boxes.

Size, athletic ability, off the charts combine testing, arm length, height/weight, technique, speed, production, consistency...

Chubb is a much more well rounded player so I can understand grading him higher. At his floor he's a guy who can do a great job rushing the passer and being a terror vs the run.

However I think Landry has the potential as a pass rusher closer to Garrett than Chubb does.

Would you prefer Robert Mathis or Kevin Carter? Carter was a lot more well rounded as a player but Mathis overall was a better pass rusher.

Landry hype train is getting out of hand for a guy who's technically short with below avg length and inconsistent production for most of his college career.

You're entitled to your opinion but basing it on his size doesn't come off great.

And his production shows a guy who wasn't some 5 star stud recruit and someone who worked his butt off to get better. The stuff he shows on tape isn't a fluke thing or one year wonder thing. He earned all of those and not just cleaning up after more talented players around him.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Oh, I completely get the reason to like Landry, I just think there's a lot of rose-tinted glasses being worn.

For me there is no scheme or scenario that could make me pick Landry over Chubb.

Chubb is closer to Garrett than he is to Landry.

I like Chubb but he's not in Garrett level.

I really wish Garrett did the shuttle and 3 cone at the combine just to get some comparisons on him but Garrett is a ridiculous pass rush prospect. Dude checked pretty much all the boxes.

Size, athletic ability, off the charts combine testing, arm length, height/weight, technique, speed, production, consistency...

Chubb is a much more well rounded player so I can understand grading him higher. At his floor he's a guy who can do a great job rushing the passer and being a terror vs the run.

However I think Landry has the potential as a pass rusher closer to Garrett than Chubb does.

Would you prefer Robert Mathis or Kevin Carter? Carter was a lot more well rounded as a player but Mathis overall was a better pass rusher.

Landry hype train is getting out of hand for a guy who's technically short with below avg length and inconsistent production for most of his college career.

You're entitled to your opinion but basing it on his size doesn't come off great.

And his production shows a guy who wasn't some 5 star stud recruit and someone who worked his butt off to get better. The stuff he shows on tape isn't a fluke thing or one year wonder thing. He earned all of those and not just cleaning up after more talented players around him.

5 sacks last season for a top 10 pass rusher??

Outside of his explosive JR year he literally only had 3.5 sacks total his first two seasons at BC that's 8.5 sacks combined in 3 of his 4 college seasons. His production is limited and only shows one good season that could very well be considered a fluke.

Originally posted by jcs:
5 sacks last season for a top 10 pass rusher??

Outside of his explosive JR year he literally only had 3.5 sacks total his first two seasons at BC that's 8.5 sacks combined in 3 of his 4 college seasons. His production is limited and only shows one good season that could very well be considered a fluke.

Fluke seasons to me are ones when a player comes out of nowhere but also gets a lot of lucky sacks...QB runs into him, someone else funnels the QB to him, etc...

Landry worked his butt off to improve and the play shows it. Even this year when he was getting all the extra attention and playing on a bad ankle he was showing good things.

Clowney had a pretty crappy senior season but because he had a lot more on the books before that nobody questioned where he went and he's showing up for Houston now and is their best player on defense with Watt hurting.

Guys who aren't elite athletes or 5 star recruits need to work...Landry did that. His combine numbers just reinforce what the tape shows which is he's an elite edge rush prospect whose best asset is his speed and agility.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by jcs:
5 sacks last season for a top 10 pass rusher??

Outside of his explosive JR year he literally only had 3.5 sacks total his first two seasons at BC that's 8.5 sacks combined in 3 of his 4 college seasons. His production is limited and only shows one good season that could very well be considered a fluke.

Fluke seasons to me are ones when a player comes out of nowhere but also gets a lot of lucky sacks...QB runs into him, someone else funnels the QB to him, etc...

Landry worked his butt off to improve and the play shows it. Even this year when he was getting all the extra attention and playing on a bad ankle he was showing good things.

Clowney had a pretty crappy senior season but because he had a lot more on the books before that nobody questioned where he went and he's showing up for Houston now and is their best player on defense with Watt hurting.

Guys who aren't elite athletes or 5 star recruits need to work...Landry did that. His combine numbers just reinforce what the tape shows which is he's an elite edge rush prospect whose best asset is his speed and agility.

Landry only led his team in sacks his Jr year, just one season out of 4 is red flag.

Clowney is a bad name to compare him to as it was well known that he was literally protecting himself from injury his final year in college and taking plays off to make sure he was healthy going into the draft. He knew he was going to go #1 overall as long as he came into the draft healthy. He is also nearly the perfect physical example of an ideal Pass rusher vs Landry who has quite a few flaws physically in comparison.

The production thing isn't valid IMO, Landry produced, he was just held back by injury and a team that played from behind a lot, plus not having a great D-Line.

He still isn't as good as Chubb, and in my opinion it isn't close.

Now their ceiling's are similar, Chubb's floor is just a lot higher.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by Dillesq:
I don't really see Landry being nullified. His combine numbers are similar to Von Miller, Demarcus Lawrence etc. he's a strong kid...he just needs to add some nuance to his pass rush. 1v1 with a tackle, i think he'll be able to held his own. And it's not just about sacks...it's anout getting the QB off his spot and in uncomfortable situations. He has the speed to apply pressure.

I wouldn't mind Chubb, i think he's awesome. I just think Landry has more potential as a volume sack guy and fits more of what Saleh is building scheme wise.

Oh, I completely get the reason to like Landry, I just think there's a lot of rose-tinted glasses being worn.

For me there is no scheme or scenario that could make me pick Landry over Chubb.

Chubb is closer to Garrett than he is to Landry.

I think scheme is important. Pair Landry with a good 3 tech DT that can draw doubles, and you have Landry basically free to go inside and sack the QB if Landry twists inside. Acceleration is important in that kind of a tackle end twist. I remember Cowboy *holding* the weakside guard and tackle and basically freeing Aldon to kill the QB. I don't think Chubb has the acceleration that Landry has to do that particular defensive call. If Solomon can perfect that holding technique, he'll free whoever the DE/LEO for a ton of sacks. Between Chubb and Landry, I think Landry has a slight edge from that point of view, but not by much.

Chubb & Garrett

Originally posted by Heroism:

Hue Jackson: "I [dream about pairing Bradley Chubb with Myles Garrett] at nighttime when I'm by myself." (via @marykaycabot) https://t.co/XPTWTmAvim

— Niners Nation (@NinersNation) March 30, 2018

Chubb & Garrett

Well, my hope is he's just bull ing the rest of the NFL and really wants to pick somebody else. Nothing you can do about the Browns having 1st and 4th pick in the draft.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Hue Jackson: "I [dream about pairing Bradley Chubb with Myles Garrett] at nighttime when I'm by myself." (via @marykaycabot) https://t.co/XPTWTmAvim

— Niners Nation (@NinersNation) March 30, 2018

Chubb & Garrett

We just wanted one. Can't we have just one?

LOL

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by Dillesq:
I don't really see Landry being nullified. His combine numbers are similar to Von Miller, Demarcus Lawrence etc. he's a strong kid...he just needs to add some nuance to his pass rush. 1v1 with a tackle, i think he'll be able to held his own. And it's not just about sacks...it's anout getting the QB off his spot and in uncomfortable situations. He has the speed to apply pressure.

I wouldn't mind Chubb, i think he's awesome. I just think Landry has more potential as a volume sack guy and fits more of what Saleh is building scheme wise.

Oh, I completely get the reason to like Landry, I just think there's a lot of rose-tinted glasses being worn.

For me there is no scheme or scenario that could make me pick Landry over Chubb.

Chubb is closer to Garrett than he is to Landry.

I think scheme is important. Pair Landry with a good 3 tech DT that can draw doubles, and you have Landry basically free to go inside and sack the QB if Landry twists inside. Acceleration is important in that kind of a tackle end twist. I remember Cowboy *holding* the weakside guard and tackle and basically freeing Aldon to kill the QB. I don't think Chubb has the acceleration that Landry has to do that particular defensive call. If Solomon can perfect that holding technique, he'll free whoever the DE/LEO for a ton of sacks. Between Chubb and Landry, I think Landry has a slight edge from that point of view, but not by much.

Landry had a 1.60 10 yard split at 252lb and Chubb a 1.64 10 yard split at 269lb it's very close and negligible when you consider Chubbs length advantage IMO.

bet hue also dreams about pairing barkley with gordon and landry when he is alone at night. either or, stayin at 4 after taking a QB at 1 is what cleveland needs to do.