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FL9er · 2017-04-07T16:09:16-07:00

I try to do this every year but haven't had any time. Here's Albert Breer confirming that the 49ers like Foster and Fournette; cue the vomiting emoticon from Heroism and a spamming of Fournette vids from Rascal. • WHO'S FALLING? From a talent standpoint, Alabama pass rusher Tim Williams is a Top 10 pick. I've heard him called a more explosive Bruce Irvin, and Irvin went 15th overall in 2013. But there's the drug issue (Williams admitted at the combine to failing tests in college), and the gun charge, and a real question as to whether or not he'll be able to grow past his problems. "He's up there with the top pure pass rushers," said one area scout assigned to the Tide. "The real question is his personality, and the trust factor with teams. The problems aren't rare, it's more whether the team can trust the person. Can he work through the problems? Is he smart enough to work through the problems?" Worth noting: Past personality issues with pass-rushers (Randy Gregory, Aldon Smith, Greg Hardy, Dion Jordan) aren't helping Williams. I'd be surprised if he goes in the first round. And he may fall further than that. • WHAT'S SAN FRANCISCO DOING? It's the most asked question I'm hearing from teams, and Stanford pass-rusher Solomon Thomas has long appeared to be the leader in the clubhouse to go No. 2 after Cleveland takes Texas A&M freak Myles Garrett off the board. But I'd be surprised if GM John Lynch doesn't make an effort to try and deal down and accumulate more draft capital. I've heard from a number of people that the Niners like Alabama LB Reuben Foster and LSU RB Leonard Fournette. • WILL THE BEARS TAKE A SAFETY? Word is the Bears like both LSU's Jamal Adams and Ohio State's Malik Hooker, who are widely considered two of the best safety prospects to come out of the college ranks in years. The problem? It's the idea of drafting a safety that high, and whether the impact will meet the price of the third pick in the draft. That would naturally make the Bears another candidate to at least explore trading down. • IS ANYONE LOOKING TO TRADE UP? As of right now, the ranks are thin, and for a couple reasons. First, the quarterbacks haven't built the momentum that Jared Goff and Carson Wentz did in 2016, and that position is usually a driver in major moves at the top of the first round. Second, as strong as this draft is, where it's strong it's also deep (receiver, tight end, corner, safety, edge rusher), so plenty of teams are thinking that the difference between, say, 5 and 15 or 10 and 20 isn't huge. • HOW WILL THE BACKS SHAKE OUT? I know a couple teams that like Dalvin Cook over Leonard Fournette, because of the 21st-century style of back Cook is. (It's similar to why the Colts took Edgerrin James over Ricky Williams a generation ago.) And there are teams that like Joe Mixon, as a player, more than Cook. Jaguars coach Doug Marrone said to me last week he wants a team that can run it when the opponent knows what's coming. So would Fournette be in play at 4? I'm hearing Mixon is likely to go in round two or three. Whenever he goes, it's a big and complex story. Add in Christian McCaffrey and Alvin Kamara, and this historic class of backs will be pretty compelling to watch when we get to Philly. • AND THE QUARTERBACKS? Remember, everyone believed the Jaguars were not taking a quarterback with the third pick in 2014. And then they did. So take that into account when I say that there's very little buzz for the quarterbacks inside the top few picks, with Buffalo at 10 (yes, even with Tyrod Taylor under contract) being the earliest selecting team being connected to the group. This one, of course, will evolve in the coming weeks. * * * ttp://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/04/06/richard-sherman-trade-talk-seattle-seahawks-nflpicks More to come. Others are free to add to the thread.

Apr 12, 2017 at 8:09 PM

#121

Willisfn4life
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Originally posted by MadDog49er:
I don't see the Browns trading. I think they draft Garrett and Watson at 1 and 12. They have been stockpiling picks, so if anything, I see them moving down to accumulate more selections.

Oh no, you don't get to flip Maddog. I distinctly remember you saying a month ago that you were convinced that a QB was going number one overall.

Apr 12, 2017 at 10:15 PM

#122

MadDog49er
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Originally posted by Willisfn4life:
Oh no, you don't get to flip Maddog. I distinctly remember you saying a month ago that you were convinced that a QB was going number one overall.

Caught me....

. Surprised that neither Trubisky, nor Watson, had a lights-out Pro Day. Guys should ace this moment, but nobody really stepped up to the plate. Opens the door for a Mahomes, who had a solid Pro Day to jump into the mix.

Still could see a QB go number one, but the odds look longer by the day.

Apr 12, 2017 at 10:48 PM

#123

49ers808
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Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by Willisfn4life:
Oh no, you don't get to flip Maddog. I distinctly remember you saying a month ago that you were convinced that a QB was going number one overall.

Caught me.... . Surprised that neither Trubisky, nor Watson, had a lights-out Pro Day. Guys should ace this moment, but nobody really stepped up to the plate. Opens the door for a Mahomes, who had a solid Pro Day to jump into the mix.

Still could see a QB go number one, but the odds look longer by the day.

It's all good, a QB will go #2 to whatever team we rape

Apr 13, 2017 at 12:36 AM

#124

mayo49
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Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:
Oh no, you don't get to flip Maddog. I distinctly remember you saying a month ago that you were convinced that a QB was going number one overall.

Caught me.... . Surprised that neither Trubisky, nor Watson, had a lights-out Pro Day. Guys should ace this moment, but nobody really stepped up to the plate. Opens the door for a Mahomes, who had a solid Pro Day to jump into the mix.

Still could see a QB go number one, but the odds look longer by the day.

I can see the Browns taking Trubisky #1. If they like him enough I can see it happening.

Apr 13, 2017 at 10:00 AM

#125

ComeOnDeberg
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http://blog.masslive.com/patriots/2017/04/new_england_patriots_nfl_draft_15.html

At this point, it seems unlikely that the Patriots will deal Garoppolo. As Ian Rapoport recently said on the NFL Network, "The Browns may make a late run at Garoppolo, but they do not seem to believe there's any hope there."

Rapoport added: "From my understanding, the Patriots do not want to deal Jimmy Garoppolo. They really just don't, whether it's to the Browns, whether it's to the Texans. Their stance right now ... is they do not want to give up someone who they consider a franchise quarterback for a pick this year."

I call BS. You are working out Nathan Peterman and others?. Ok, fine. Looking for Tom Brady's replacement? You have Garappalo. They can draft a QB and deal Garappalo. They would be stupid not to.

On February 28, 2009, the Patriots traded both Cassel and OLB Mike Vrabel to the Kansas City Chiefs for the No. 34 overall selection in the 2009 NFL Draft. Garappalo trade will yield way more for NE.

Apr 13, 2017 at 10:09 AM

#126

Lobo49er
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Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:
http://blog.masslive.com/patriots/2017/04/new_england_patriots_nfl_draft_15.html

At this point, it seems unlikely that the Patriots will deal Garoppolo. As Ian Rapoport recently said on the NFL Network, "The Browns may make a late run at Garoppolo, but they do not seem to believe there's any hope there."

Rapoport added: "From my understanding, the Patriots do not want to deal Jimmy Garoppolo. They really just don't, whether it's to the Browns, whether it's to the Texans. Their stance right now ... is they do not want to give up someone who they consider a franchise quarterback for a pick this year."

I call BS. You are working out Nathan Peterman and others?. Ok, fine. Looking for Tom Brady's replacement? You have Garappalo. They can draft a QB and deal Garappalo. They would be stupid not to.

On February 28, 2009, the Patriots traded both Cassel and OLB Mike Vrabel to the Kansas City Chiefs for the No. 34 overall selection in the 2009 NFL Draft. Garappalo trade will yield way more for NE.

I find it equally plausible that they want to hang onto their FQBotF.

"In 1992, a year before the Montana trade, the Los Angeles Raiders desperately tried to acquire Steve Young from the 49ers. He was the league's top rated passer from the previous year, but perhaps they figured the 49ers would go back to Joe Montana.

[The Raiders] did seek to make the trade on draft day, so perhaps there were some picks involved we don't know about. Still, it's not hard to see why this trade never happened."

Apr 13, 2017 at 10:42 AM

#127

okdkid
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If the Patriots truly believe Garoppolo is a franchise QB and they're prepared to franchise him -- they should keep him. That said, I wouldn't offer more than a 2nd round pick. He has very little tape and he will be getting paid north of $20m/year as soon as his new team gets him. If somebody else wants to trade more, they can have him.

Apr 13, 2017 at 11:33 AM

#128

slowriot
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Matt Miller of BR claims the top three players on the 49ers board are Myles Garrett, Leonard Fournette and Reuben Foster

Apr 13, 2017 at 11:41 AM

#129

gold49digger
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Originally posted by slowriot:
Matt Miller of BR claims the top three players on the 49ers board are Myles Garrett, Leonard Fournette and Reuben Foster

The interest for Foster is really intriguing. Can we get away with trading down for him? Because a LB at 2 is a huge reach.

Apr 13, 2017 at 11:42 AM

#130

okdkid
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Jerod Brown @JerodBrown_
@nfldraftscout says that #49ers board, as he's heard, goes Garrett, Foster, Fournette. Says talk of Thomas/QB falls outside of those 3.

Apr 13, 2017 at 11:44 AM

#131

okdkid
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If that is the case (and Garrett goes #1), the Niners should desperately try to trade down with Jacksonville and be assured they will get Foster at #4.

Apr 13, 2017 at 11:46 AM

#132

Cjez
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Originally posted by okdkid:
If that is the case (and Garrett goes #1), the Niners should desperately try to trade down with Jacksonville and be assured they will get Foster at #4.

no one is trading up. no one

Apr 13, 2017 at 11:46 AM

#133

Lobo49er
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Originally posted by slowriot:
Matt Miller of BR claims the top three players on the 49ers board are Myles Garrett, Leonard Fournette and Reuben Foster

It's just pre-draft BS.
It's just pre-draft BS.
It's just pre-draft BS.
It's just pre-draft BS.
It's just pre-draft BS.
It's just pre-draft BS.

Apr 13, 2017 at 11:50 AM

#134

9erguy
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Interesting. It may be smoke, who knows. I've been a huge advocate for picking Foster. I will say it again, he will be a force in the NFL. With a guy like Bowman mentoring him, I would be thrilled with the pick. We'll see. So pumped for the draft this year.

Apr 13, 2017 at 11:50 AM

#135

illinois9er
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Originally posted by slowriot:
Matt Miller of BR claims the top three players on the 49ers board are Myles Garrett, Leonard Fournette and Reuben Foster

Ewwwwww, I don't want to pick between Foster and Fournette