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FL9er · 2017-04-07T16:09:16-07:00

I try to do this every year but haven't had any time. Here's Albert Breer confirming that the 49ers like Foster and Fournette; cue the vomiting emoticon from Heroism and a spamming of Fournette vids from Rascal. • WHO'S FALLING? From a talent standpoint, Alabama pass rusher Tim Williams is a Top 10 pick. I've heard him called a more explosive Bruce Irvin, and Irvin went 15th overall in 2013. But there's the drug issue (Williams admitted at the combine to failing tests in college), and the gun charge, and a real question as to whether or not he'll be able to grow past his problems. "He's up there with the top pure pass rushers," said one area scout assigned to the Tide. "The real question is his personality, and the trust factor with teams. The problems aren't rare, it's more whether the team can trust the person. Can he work through the problems? Is he smart enough to work through the problems?" Worth noting: Past personality issues with pass-rushers (Randy Gregory, Aldon Smith, Greg Hardy, Dion Jordan) aren't helping Williams. I'd be surprised if he goes in the first round. And he may fall further than that. • WHAT'S SAN FRANCISCO DOING? It's the most asked question I'm hearing from teams, and Stanford pass-rusher Solomon Thomas has long appeared to be the leader in the clubhouse to go No. 2 after Cleveland takes Texas A&M freak Myles Garrett off the board. But I'd be surprised if GM John Lynch doesn't make an effort to try and deal down and accumulate more draft capital. I've heard from a number of people that the Niners like Alabama LB Reuben Foster and LSU RB Leonard Fournette. • WILL THE BEARS TAKE A SAFETY? Word is the Bears like both LSU's Jamal Adams and Ohio State's Malik Hooker, who are widely considered two of the best safety prospects to come out of the college ranks in years. The problem? It's the idea of drafting a safety that high, and whether the impact will meet the price of the third pick in the draft. That would naturally make the Bears another candidate to at least explore trading down. • IS ANYONE LOOKING TO TRADE UP? As of right now, the ranks are thin, and for a couple reasons. First, the quarterbacks haven't built the momentum that Jared Goff and Carson Wentz did in 2016, and that position is usually a driver in major moves at the top of the first round. Second, as strong as this draft is, where it's strong it's also deep (receiver, tight end, corner, safety, edge rusher), so plenty of teams are thinking that the difference between, say, 5 and 15 or 10 and 20 isn't huge. • HOW WILL THE BACKS SHAKE OUT? I know a couple teams that like Dalvin Cook over Leonard Fournette, because of the 21st-century style of back Cook is. (It's similar to why the Colts took Edgerrin James over Ricky Williams a generation ago.) And there are teams that like Joe Mixon, as a player, more than Cook. Jaguars coach Doug Marrone said to me last week he wants a team that can run it when the opponent knows what's coming. So would Fournette be in play at 4? I'm hearing Mixon is likely to go in round two or three. Whenever he goes, it's a big and complex story. Add in Christian McCaffrey and Alvin Kamara, and this historic class of backs will be pretty compelling to watch when we get to Philly. • AND THE QUARTERBACKS? Remember, everyone believed the Jaguars were not taking a quarterback with the third pick in 2014. And then they did. So take that into account when I say that there's very little buzz for the quarterbacks inside the top few picks, with Buffalo at 10 (yes, even with Tyrod Taylor under contract) being the earliest selecting team being connected to the group. This one, of course, will evolve in the coming weeks. * * * ttp://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/04/06/richard-sherman-trade-talk-seattle-seahawks-nflpicks More to come. Others are free to add to the thread.

Apr 13, 2017 at 11:55 AM

#136

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"Hue Jackson likes Trubisky. Garrett will be the pick from what I've been told, but they could trade back up for Trubisky" -https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout">@nfldraftscout
— Connor Rogers (@ConnorJRogers) https://twitter.com/ConnorJRogers/status/852575503169052672">April 13, 2017

[ Edited by gold49digger on Apr 13, 2017 at 11:55 AM ]

Apr 13, 2017 at 11:56 AM

#137

Kolohe
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Originally posted by 9erguy:
Interesting. It may be smoke, who knows. I've been a huge advocate for picking Foster. I will say it again, he will be a force in the NFL. With a guy like Bowman mentoring him, I would be thrilled with the pick. We'll see. So pumped for the draft this year.

The Myles Garrett interest is so obvious a blind man can see it. But Fournette and Foster I don't buy. For one Lynch continues to talk about the importance of character and Foster being sent home from the Combine is a huge red flag in character. Fournette, although probably the best power RB in the draft, I think Shanahan expects more from his RB's than just being elite between the tackles especially if he's spending the #2 overall pick.

So yah, I think it's Garrett or trade down but staying within the top 10.

Apr 13, 2017 at 12:00 PM

#138

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Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by 9erguy:
Interesting. It may be smoke, who knows. I've been a huge advocate for picking Foster. I will say it again, he will be a force in the NFL. With a guy like Bowman mentoring him, I would be thrilled with the pick. We'll see. So pumped for the draft this year.

The Myles Garrett interest is so obvious a blind man can see it. But Fournette and Foster I don't buy. For one Lynch continues to talk about the importance of character and Foster being sent home from the Combine is a huge red flag in character. Fournette, although probably the best power RB in the draft, I think Shanahan expects more from his RB's than just being elite between the tackles especially if he's spending the #2 overall pick.

So yah, I think it's Garrett or trade down but staying within the top 10.

We'll see.

But I can see Lynch explaining away Foster's character concerns. "Met with Reuben, heard his side, yadda yadda yadda...."

Agree on the trade down.

Apr 13, 2017 at 12:02 PM

#139

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"Hue Jackson likes Trubisky. Garrett will be the pick from what I've been told, but they could trade back up for Trubisky" -@nfldraftscout
— Connor Rogers (@ConnorJRogers) April 13, 2017

Myles was never dropping to us...this is the 2nd best scenario imo. They might have to roll back up to 2 to get Mitch if Hue really wants him

We got to sell that pick as if we got suitors wanting to move up for Mitch.

I'll take the 12th, 33rd, 104th, and their 1st next yr!

Apr 13, 2017 at 12:07 PM

#140

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Originally posted by NYniner85:
"Hue Jackson likes Trubisky. Garrett will be the pick from what I've been told, but they could trade back up for Trubisky" -@nfldraftscout
— Connor Rogers (@ConnorJRogers) April 13, 2017

Myles was never dropping to us...this is the 2nd best scenario imo. They might have to roll back up to 2 to get Mitch if Hue really wants him

We got to sell that pick as if we got suitors wanting to move up for Mitch.

I'll take the 12th, 33rd, 104th, and their 1st next yr!

Would you rather have Garrett or all those picks?

Apr 13, 2017 at 12:09 PM

#141

Lobo49er
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Originally posted by illinois9er:
Would you rather have Garrett or all those picks?

give me the picks please.

Apr 13, 2017 at 12:11 PM

#142

Kolohe
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Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by 9erguy:
Interesting. It may be smoke, who knows. I've been a huge advocate for picking Foster. I will say it again, he will be a force in the NFL. With a guy like Bowman mentoring him, I would be thrilled with the pick. We'll see. So pumped for the draft this year.

The Myles Garrett interest is so obvious a blind man can see it. But Fournette and Foster I don't buy. For one Lynch continues to talk about the importance of character and Foster being sent home from the Combine is a huge red flag in character. Fournette, although probably the best power RB in the draft, I think Shanahan expects more from his RB's than just being elite between the tackles especially if he's spending the #2 overall pick.

So yah, I think it's Garrett or trade down but staying within the top 10.

We'll see.

But I can see Lynch explaining away Foster's character concerns. "Met with Reuben, heard his side, yadda yadda yadda...."

Agree on the trade down.

Yes we shall see.

I could see if Foster was Patrick Willis 2.0 but IMO he's far from that.

Anyway, this has been a really good time speculating on prospects this year than last, especially now that Lynch and Shanahan are running the show!!!!

I can honestly say I'll be happy with whoever they will pick up.

Apr 13, 2017 at 12:16 PM

#143

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Originally posted by illinois9er:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
"Hue Jackson likes Trubisky. Garrett will be the pick from what I've been told, but they could trade back up for Trubisky" -@nfldraftscout
— Connor Rogers (@ConnorJRogers) April 13, 2017

Myles was never dropping to us...this is the 2nd best scenario imo. They might have to roll back up to 2 to get Mitch if Hue really wants him

We got to sell that pick as if we got suitors wanting to move up for Mitch.

I'll take the 12th, 33rd, 104th, and their 1st next yr!

Would you rather have Garrett or all those picks?

Boy that's tough...I got nothing to go off of as far as how lynch and shanny draft. If it was baalke I'd say Myles lol. But three picks in the top 34, 3 4ths, and two 1sts given to the right GM could change your whole team in a matter of two seasons.

Apr 13, 2017 at 12:21 PM

#144

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Originally posted by NYniner85:
"Hue Jackson likes Trubisky. Garrett will be the pick from what I've been told, but they could trade back up for Trubisky" -@nfldraftscout
— Connor Rogers (@ConnorJRogers) April 13, 2017

Myles was never dropping to us...this is the 2nd best scenario imo. They might have to roll back up to 2 to get Mitch if Hue really wants him

We got to sell that pick as if we got suitors wanting to move up for Mitch.

I'll take the 12th, 33rd, 104th, and their 1st next yr!

I agreed with you the bold.

Apr 13, 2017 at 12:25 PM

#145

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Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by Willisfn4life:
Oh no, you don't get to flip Maddog. I distinctly remember you saying a month ago that you were convinced that a QB was going number one overall.

Caught me.... . Surprised that neither Trubisky, nor Watson, had a lights-out Pro Day. Guys should ace this moment, but nobody really stepped up to the plate. Opens the door for a Mahomes, who had a solid Pro Day to jump into the mix.

Still could see a QB go number one, but the odds look longer by the day.

Me personally, I think Trubisky will be the first QB off the board and I don't think Mahomes makes it past the Cards. So I'm predicting atleast two qbs go in the top 13.

Apr 13, 2017 at 12:30 PM

#146

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Originally posted by Willisfn4life:

Me personally, I think Trubisky will be the first QB off the board and I don't think Mahomes makes it past the Cards. So I'm predicting atleast two qbs go in the top 13.

I see three in the top 12 picks: Trubisky at 6, Mahomes at 7, Watson at 12.

Apr 13, 2017 at 12:33 PM

#147

TheNef77
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Originally posted by NYniner85:

"Hue Jackson likes Trubisky. Garrett will be the pick from what I've been told, but they could trade back up for Trubisky" -@nfldraftscout
— Connor Rogers (@ConnorJRogers) April 13, 2017

Myles was never dropping to us...this is the 2nd best scenario imo. They might have to roll back up to 2 to get Mitch if Hue really wants him

We got to sell that pick as if we got suitors wanting to move up for Mitch.

I'll take the 12th, 33rd, 104th, and their 1st next yr!

^^^ Getting those picks would be perfect.

Apr 13, 2017 at 12:33 PM

#148

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Originally posted by MadDog49er:
I see three in the top 12 picks: Trubisky at 6, Mahomes at 7, Watson at 12.

Those slottings make a lot of sense MD.

Jets try, again, to get the QB.

Chargers get a gunslinger in training behind Rivers.

And the Browns draft another bust QB.

Apr 13, 2017 at 12:36 PM

#149

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Originally posted by TheNef77:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
"Hue Jackson likes Trubisky. Garrett will be the pick from what I've been told, but they could trade back up for Trubisky" -@nfldraftscout
— Connor Rogers (@ConnorJRogers) April 13, 2017

Myles was never dropping to us...this is the 2nd best scenario imo. They might have to roll back up to 2 to get Mitch if Hue really wants him

We got to sell that pick as if we got suitors wanting to move up for Mitch.

I'll take the 12th, 33rd, 104th, and their 1st next yr!
^^^ Getting those picks would be perfect.

Yup if they want their qb it's gonna cost them...that actually would be a steal based on what teams have given up in the past to move up for a qb.

Apr 13, 2017 at 12:37 PM

#150

NYniner85
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Originally posted by Lobo49er:
Those slottings make a lot of sense MD.

Jets try, again, to get the QB.

Chargers get a gunslinger in training behind Rivers.

And the Browns draft another bust QB.

If the Browns value Mitch like it's been reported gonna have to move up