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FL9er · 2017-04-07T16:09:16-07:00

I try to do this every year but haven't had any time. Here's Albert Breer confirming that the 49ers like Foster and Fournette; cue the vomiting emoticon from Heroism and a spamming of Fournette vids from Rascal. • WHO'S FALLING? From a talent standpoint, Alabama pass rusher Tim Williams is a Top 10 pick. I've heard him called a more explosive Bruce Irvin, and Irvin went 15th overall in 2013. But there's the drug issue (Williams admitted at the combine to failing tests in college), and the gun charge, and a real question as to whether or not he'll be able to grow past his problems. "He's up there with the top pure pass rushers," said one area scout assigned to the Tide. "The real question is his personality, and the trust factor with teams. The problems aren't rare, it's more whether the team can trust the person. Can he work through the problems? Is he smart enough to work through the problems?" Worth noting: Past personality issues with pass-rushers (Randy Gregory, Aldon Smith, Greg Hardy, Dion Jordan) aren't helping Williams. I'd be surprised if he goes in the first round. And he may fall further than that. • WHAT'S SAN FRANCISCO DOING? It's the most asked question I'm hearing from teams, and Stanford pass-rusher Solomon Thomas has long appeared to be the leader in the clubhouse to go No. 2 after Cleveland takes Texas A&M freak Myles Garrett off the board. But I'd be surprised if GM John Lynch doesn't make an effort to try and deal down and accumulate more draft capital. I've heard from a number of people that the Niners like Alabama LB Reuben Foster and LSU RB Leonard Fournette. • WILL THE BEARS TAKE A SAFETY? Word is the Bears like both LSU's Jamal Adams and Ohio State's Malik Hooker, who are widely considered two of the best safety prospects to come out of the college ranks in years. The problem? It's the idea of drafting a safety that high, and whether the impact will meet the price of the third pick in the draft. That would naturally make the Bears another candidate to at least explore trading down. • IS ANYONE LOOKING TO TRADE UP? As of right now, the ranks are thin, and for a couple reasons. First, the quarterbacks haven't built the momentum that Jared Goff and Carson Wentz did in 2016, and that position is usually a driver in major moves at the top of the first round. Second, as strong as this draft is, where it's strong it's also deep (receiver, tight end, corner, safety, edge rusher), so plenty of teams are thinking that the difference between, say, 5 and 15 or 10 and 20 isn't huge. • HOW WILL THE BACKS SHAKE OUT? I know a couple teams that like Dalvin Cook over Leonard Fournette, because of the 21st-century style of back Cook is. (It's similar to why the Colts took Edgerrin James over Ricky Williams a generation ago.) And there are teams that like Joe Mixon, as a player, more than Cook. Jaguars coach Doug Marrone said to me last week he wants a team that can run it when the opponent knows what's coming. So would Fournette be in play at 4? I'm hearing Mixon is likely to go in round two or three. Whenever he goes, it's a big and complex story. Add in Christian McCaffrey and Alvin Kamara, and this historic class of backs will be pretty compelling to watch when we get to Philly. • AND THE QUARTERBACKS? Remember, everyone believed the Jaguars were not taking a quarterback with the third pick in 2014. And then they did. So take that into account when I say that there's very little buzz for the quarterbacks inside the top few picks, with Buffalo at 10 (yes, even with Tyrod Taylor under contract) being the earliest selecting team being connected to the group. This one, of course, will evolve in the coming weeks. * * * ttp://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/04/06/richard-sherman-trade-talk-seattle-seahawks-nflpicks More to come. Others are free to add to the thread.

Apr 12, 2017 at 3:16 PM

#106

slowriot
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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by jcs:
Could honestly see the browns move up to select Garrett and Mitch. Maybe as high as our #2 with the cache of second round picks they have over the next two years.

If the Browns are willing to give up both their 2nd rounders this year I am down.

Give me Barnett, Bowser, Evan Engram and Curtis Samuel with the first 4 picks.

Apr 12, 2017 at 3:23 PM

#107

SmokeCrabtrees
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Originally posted by slowriot:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by jcs:
Could honestly see the browns move up to select Garrett and Mitch. Maybe as high as our #2 with the cache of second round picks they have over the next two years.

If the Browns are willing to give up both their 2nd rounders this year I am down.

Give me Barnett, Bowser, Evan Engram and Curtis Samuel with the first 4 picks.

Just two seconds? A second and third next year?

Apr 12, 2017 at 3:25 PM

#108

NYniner85
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Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
#49ers GM John Lynch said the team has an asking price in mind to move down from the No. 2 pick. 'We're open for business.'
— Chris Biderman (@ChrisBiderman) April 12, 2017

I wonder what they are asking? And I agree you don't trade that pick until we're on the clock
Could honestly see the browns move up to select Garrett and Mitch. Maybe as high as our #2 with the cache of second round picks they have over the next two years.

I want both their 2nds and next yrs 1st to make that trade....I'll throw them back a 4th

I don't see the browns doing that though. I hope more teams get on the Mitch train and force their hand lol

Apr 12, 2017 at 3:27 PM

#109

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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
If the Browns are willing to give up both their 2nd rounders this year I am down.

Give me Barnett, Bowser, Evan Engram and Curtis Samuel with the first 4 picks.

I don't see Barnett making it past the Bengals...12 is a huge jump down. They'd have to throw next yrs 1st lol

Apr 12, 2017 at 3:28 PM

#110

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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
#49ers GM John Lynch said the team has an asking price in mind to move down from the No. 2 pick. 'We're open for business.'
— Chris Biderman (@ChrisBiderman) April 12, 2017

I wonder what they are asking? And I agree you don't trade that pick until we're on the clock
Could honestly see the browns move up to select Garrett and Mitch. Maybe as high as our #2 with the cache of second round picks they have over the next two years.

I want both their 2nds and next yrs 1st to make that trade....I'll throw them back a 4th

I don't see the browns doing that though. I hope more teams get on the Mitch train and force their hand lol

I don't think they give up next years first... let's keep our fourth and get a second and third next year

Apr 12, 2017 at 3:51 PM

#111

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Originally posted by NYniner85:
I don't see Barnett making it past the Bengals...12 is a huge jump down. They'd have to throw next yrs 1st lol

The value of a 2nd this year is the equivalent of a 1st rounder in a year. Getting two of them along with a 4th or 5th rounder would be huge. I'd take a 2nd and a 4th next year.

Even if you can't get Barnett, then in the 1st you can still go:

Corey Davis, Christian McCaffrey, a QB, Hasson Reddick, OJ Howard.....etc all could be viable picks at #12.

[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Apr 12, 2017 at 3:56 PM ]

Apr 12, 2017 at 3:55 PM

#112

Wu-5Rings
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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
I don't see Barnett making it past the Bengals...12 is a huge jump down. They'd have to throw next yrs 1st lol

The value of a 2nd this year is the equivalent of a 1st rounder in a year. Getting two of them along with a 4th or 5th rounder would be huge. I'd take a 2nd and a 4th next year.

Well said.

Your on a roll today.

Apr 12, 2017 at 3:56 PM

#113

SmokeCrabtrees
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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
I don't see Barnett making it past the Bengals...12 is a huge jump down. They'd have to throw next yrs 1st lol

The value of a 2nd this year is the equivalent of a 1st rounder in a year. Getting two of them along with a 4th or 5th rounder would be huge. I'd take a 2nd and a 4th next year.

Same. At #12 there's good chances you can choose from Mike Williams,Davis,Harris(trade down),Foster,DB,Charlton(trade down),McDowell(trade down),Dare I say McAff.

Apr 12, 2017 at 4:02 PM

#114

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Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:
Same. At #12 there's good chances you can choose from Mike Williams,Davis,Harris(trade down),Foster,DB,Charlton(trade down),McDowell(trade down),Dare I say McAff.

1st Round-Christian McCaffrey

2nd Round-Charles Harris

2nd Round-Evan Engram

2nd Round-Zay Jones

Add a heck of an offensive force in McCaffrey who can play at RB and in the slot, add a top notch move TE prospect similar to Jordan Reed, get your edge rusher in Harris and add a talented WR prospect in Jones.

With the remaining picks address CB, RB, OT, NT and get a developmental QB prospect.

Apr 12, 2017 at 4:07 PM

#115

NYniner85
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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
I don't see Barnett making it past the Bengals...12 is a huge jump down. They'd have to throw next yrs 1st lol

The value of a 2nd this year is the equivalent of a 1st rounder in a year. Getting two of them along with a 4th or 5th rounder would be huge. I'd take a 2nd and a 4th next year.

Even if you can't get Barnett, then in the 1st you can still go:

Corey Davis, Christian McCaffrey, a QB, Hasson Reddick, OJ Howard.....etc all could be viable picks at #12.

Then I'd rather take one of their 2nd this yr (and say a 3rd/4th) and their 1st next yr...12th, 34, their 3rd or 4th and a 1st next yr would be ideal...of course I'm on the all in bandwagon for qb next yr

Apr 12, 2017 at 7:00 PM

#116

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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by jcs:
Could honestly see the browns move up to select Garrett and Mitch. Maybe as high as our #2 with the cache of second round picks they have over the next two years.

If the Browns are willing to give up both their 2nd rounders this year I am down.

Give me Barnett, Bowser, Evan Engram and Curtis Samuel with the first 4 picks.

Apr 12, 2017 at 7:05 PM

#117

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I don't see the Browns trading. I think they draft Garrett and Watson at 1 and 12. They have been stockpiling picks, so if anything, I see them moving down to accumulate more selections.

Apr 12, 2017 at 7:20 PM

#118

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Originally posted by MadDog49er:
I don't see the Browns trading. I think they draft Garrett and Watson at 1 and 12. They have been stockpiling picks, so if anything, I see them moving down to accumulate more selections.

Dont you ruin this for me with your damn logicising!!!

Apr 12, 2017 at 7:25 PM

#119

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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Dont you ruin this for me with your damn logicising!!!

Hahahahah phx misspelled another word! Woot!

WoOooooOoooooooO!!

Wrong again Phx.

WRONG.

AGAIN.

[ Edited by Lobo49er on Apr 12, 2017 at 7:25 PM ]

Apr 12, 2017 at 7:28 PM

#120

Cjez
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No one is trading up with us unless the Browns don't choose Garrett.