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Originally posted by JBrack:
Garrett is a one trick pony. Thomas is a Dominant football player not just a pass rusher. Two completely different animals.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:Originally posted by JBrack:Garrett is a one trick pony. Thomas is a Dominant football player not just a pass rusher. Two completely different animals.
I don't believe you've ever watched Myles Garrett play if you think that.
Originally posted by jcs:
http://www.ruleoftree.com/2017/1/10/14196148/2017-nfl-draft-solomon-thomas-stanford-cardinal-pittsburgh-steelers-cleveland-browns-seahawks-jets
Pro Comparison - Michael Bennett of the Seattle Seahawks
While the offensive lines of pro football are really good, his ability to bull rush or try and speed rush around the edge gives him a few things to throw at a guard or tackle. He also is athletic enough to play allover the defensive line but fast enough to play back at outside linebacker and drop into the flat to fake the blitz. This is why my comparison is Bennett, instead of J.J. Watt, who I see lots of writers are comparing him to. This year Bennett lined up in no less then six spots on the defensive front this year alone, but he also played them in different ways. He was able to play with his hand in the ground or standing up in all four spots on the defensive line as well as getting snaps at inside and outside linebacker. This shows that he can rush the passer (obviously) but is also able to back out when standing up and play in coverage. His ability to play at defensive tackle or on the edge shows his size and strength coupled with blinding speed at his size. Solomon Thomas has all those raw variables and is trending in the right direction physically headed into the draft.
Originally posted by Ninerfan84:
Thomas is a great a player but a man without a true position really in any base scheme. In a traditional 4-3 he looks like a strong side DE to me but obviously that is not the most valued position on the DL. No true position in a 3-4 but SAM OLB is probably his best spot and I see him being a SAM too in our scheme in base. In nickel you can put him at every DL position so that's where his true value lies IMO.
Originally posted by Ninerfan84:Originally posted by jcs:http://www.ruleoftree.com/2017/1/10/14196148/2017-nfl-draft-solomon-thomas-stanford-cardinal-pittsburgh-steelers-cleveland-browns-seahawks-jets
Pro Comparison - Michael Bennett of the Seattle Seahawks
While the offensive lines of pro football are really good, his ability to bull rush or try and speed rush around the edge gives him a few things to throw at a guard or tackle. He also is athletic enough to play allover the defensive line but fast enough to play back at outside linebacker and drop into the flat to fake the blitz. This is why my comparison is Bennett, instead of J.J. Watt, who I see lots of writers are comparing him to. This year Bennett lined up in no less then six spots on the defensive front this year alone, but he also played them in different ways. He was able to play with his hand in the ground or standing up in all four spots on the defensive line as well as getting snaps at inside and outside linebacker. This shows that he can rush the passer (obviously) but is also able to back out when standing up and play in coverage. His ability to play at defensive tackle or on the edge shows his size and strength coupled with blinding speed at his size. Solomon Thomas has all those raw variables and is trending in the right direction physically headed into the draft.
Thomas is a great a player but a man without a true position really in any base scheme. In a traditional 4-3 he looks like a strong side DE to me but obviously that is not the most valued position on the DL. No true position in a 3-4 but SAM OLB is probably his best spot and I see him being a SAM too in our scheme in base. In nickel you can put him at every DL position so that's where his true value lies IMO.
Originally posted by JBrack:Originally posted by Ninerfan84:Originally posted by jcs:http://www.ruleoftree.com/2017/1/10/14196148/2017-nfl-draft-solomon-thomas-stanford-cardinal-pittsburgh-steelers-cleveland-browns-seahawks-jets
Pro Comparison - Michael Bennett of the Seattle Seahawks
While the offensive lines of pro football are really good, his ability to bull rush or try and speed rush around the edge gives him a few things to throw at a guard or tackle. He also is athletic enough to play allover the defensive line but fast enough to play back at outside linebacker and drop into the flat to fake the blitz. This is why my comparison is Bennett, instead of J.J. Watt, who I see lots of writers are comparing him to. This year Bennett lined up in no less then six spots on the defensive front this year alone, but he also played them in different ways. He was able to play with his hand in the ground or standing up in all four spots on the defensive line as well as getting snaps at inside and outside linebacker. This shows that he can rush the passer (obviously) but is also able to back out when standing up and play in coverage. His ability to play at defensive tackle or on the edge shows his size and strength coupled with blinding speed at his size. Solomon Thomas has all those raw variables and is trending in the right direction physically headed into the draft.
Thomas is a great a player but a man without a true position really in any base scheme. In a traditional 4-3 he looks like a strong side DE to me but obviously that is not the most valued position on the DL. No true position in a 3-4 but SAM OLB is probably his best spot and I see him being a SAM too in our scheme in base. In nickel you can put him at every DL position so that's where his true value lies IMO.
He would probably be best suited as a 3-4 DE ala Justin Smith. But its debatable.
Originally posted by jcs:35" vertical and 126" broad jump put him near the top at both and show off his explosiveness.
6-25 273 33 inch arms 9 3/8 inch hands. 4.69 40 1.66 10 yard Split. 30 Reps at 225.
My new favorite for #2 if we don't land Garrett.
Originally posted by jcs:"I can rush anywhere. I can play anywhere. I play every down. I'm great stopping the run, great rushing the quarterback. I'm very versatile. I have toughness. I try to get after every (offensive) lineman and put the fear of God in them and make a play. I'm just trying to get to the quarterback every play and be destructful and wreak havoc. ... It really doesn't matter [whether I play in a 3-4 or 4-3]. I can beef up and be that 3-4 defensive end, or slide down to a '3' if they go to an over front. I can also be a 4-3 defensive end and still move down to that '3' technique. I can move outside if you want me to. I'll play wherever they need me to. I can play 'em all."
http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2017/3/5/14820718/browns-reportedly-met-with-dl-solomon-thomas-at-nfl-combine
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by Ninerfan84:
Thomas is a great a player but a man without a true position really in any base scheme. In a traditional 4-3 he looks like a strong side DE to me but obviously that is not the most valued position on the DL. No true position in a 3-4 but SAM OLB is probably his best spot and I see him being a SAM too in our scheme in base. In nickel you can put him at every DL position so that's where his true value lies IMO.
I think he showed today he's strong enough, quick enough and agile enough to be able to play on both the strong and weak side DE. Versatility is something our GM and HC have been saying they want out of players since they've been hired and this kid has that and the film to show he's more than just physical numbers.
Originally posted by JBrack:
Originally posted by JBrack:
Originally posted by Ninerfan84:
Originally posted by jcs:
http://www.ruleoftree.com/2017/1/10/14196148/2017-nfl-draft-solomon-thomas-stanford-cardinal-pittsburgh-steelers-cleveland-browns-seahawks-jets
Pro Comparison - Michael Bennett of the Seattle Seahawks
While the offensive lines of pro football are really good, his ability to bull rush or try and speed rush around the edge gives him a few things to throw at a guard or tackle. He also is athletic enough to play allover the defensive line but fast enough to play back at outside linebacker and drop into the flat to fake the blitz. This is why my comparison is Bennett, instead of J.J. Watt, who I see lots of writers are comparing him to. This year Bennett lined up in no less then six spots on the defensive front this year alone, but he also played them in different ways. He was able to play with his hand in the ground or standing up in all four spots on the defensive line as well as getting snaps at inside and outside linebacker. This shows that he can rush the passer (obviously) but is also able to back out when standing up and play in coverage. His ability to play at defensive tackle or on the edge shows his size and strength coupled with blinding speed at his size. Solomon Thomas has all those raw variables and is trending in the right direction physically headed into the draft.
Thomas is a great a player but a man without a true position really in any base scheme. In a traditional 4-3 he looks like a strong side DE to me but obviously that is not the most valued position on the DL. No true position in a 3-4 but SAM OLB is probably his best spot and I see him being a SAM too in our scheme in base. In nickel you can put him at every DL position so that's where his true value lies IMO.
He would probably be best suited as a 3-4 DE ala Justin Smith. But its debatable.
Thats the best player comparison I have heard. Justin played both so can Thomas.
Originally posted by Ninerfan84:Originally posted by jcs:Originally posted by Ninerfan84:Thomas is a great a player but a man without a true position really in any base scheme. In a traditional 4-3 he looks like a strong side DE to me but obviously that is not the most valued position on the DL. No true position in a 3-4 but SAM OLB is probably his best spot and I see him being a SAM too in our scheme in base. In nickel you can put him at every DL position so that's where his true value lies IMO.
I think he showed today he's strong enough, quick enough and agile enough to be able to play on both the strong and weak side DE. Versatility is something our GM and HC have been saying they want out of players since they've been hired and this kid has that and the film to show he's more than just physical numbers.
The LEO, which you are referring to as weakside DE would be our best outside pass rusher and standing up a lot of time. I don't see him being that but he wouod be really good as a SAM in our scheme.
Originally posted by Ninerfan84:Originally posted by JBrack:Originally posted by JBrack:Originally posted by Ninerfan84:Originally posted by jcs:http://www.ruleoftree.com/2017/1/10/14196148/2017-nfl-draft-solomon-thomas-stanford-cardinal-pittsburgh-steelers-cleveland-browns-seahawks-jets
Pro Comparison - Michael Bennett of the Seattle Seahawks
While the offensive lines of pro football are really good, his ability to bull rush or try and speed rush around the edge gives him a few things to throw at a guard or tackle. He also is athletic enough to play allover the defensive line but fast enough to play back at outside linebacker and drop into the flat to fake the blitz. This is why my comparison is Bennett, instead of J.J. Watt, who I see lots of writers are comparing him to. This year Bennett lined up in no less then six spots on the defensive front this year alone, but he also played them in different ways. He was able to play with his hand in the ground or standing up in all four spots on the defensive line as well as getting snaps at inside and outside linebacker. This shows that he can rush the passer (obviously) but is also able to back out when standing up and play in coverage. His ability to play at defensive tackle or on the edge shows his size and strength coupled with blinding speed at his size. Solomon Thomas has all those raw variables and is trending in the right direction physically headed into the draft.
Thomas is a great a player but a man without a true position really in any base scheme. In a traditional 4-3 he looks like a strong side DE to me but obviously that is not the most valued position on the DL. No true position in a 3-4 but SAM OLB is probably his best spot and I see him being a SAM too in our scheme in base. In nickel you can put him at every DL position so that's where his true value lies IMO.
He would probably be best suited as a 3-4 DE ala Justin Smith. But its debatable.
Thats the best player comparison I have heard. Justin played both so can Thomas.
Justin was longer and a taller player so I wouldnt say that's a good player comp.