War Room Prospect Grouping

He had 13 catches as a redshirt senior? Was he injured or something. Not exactly eye popping considering the level of competition. Doesn't compare to Bucky Hodges, who is three years younger and has 80+ catches in D1 in just two seasons as a starter. Griswold may be a good athlete, but he doesn't seem to have developed as a football player over 4 years in college.

Originally posted by GreatGabbert:

He had 13 catches as a redshirt senior? Was he injured or something. Not exactly eye popping considering the level of competition. Doesn't compare to Bucky Hodges, who is three years younger and has 80+ catches in D1 in just two seasons as a starter. Griswold may be a good athlete, but he doesn't seem to have developed as a football player over 4 years in college.

Injuries, plus a change in coaching staff that uses him more as a blocker. He has potential, and is someone you sign as an UDFA or use a 7th round pick on.

Team hasn't had a lot of success with athletes, though. Okoye, Hayne, Ellington, etc. None of them seemed to progress.

Originally posted by GreatGabbert:

Well, Scooby certainly has the production in college. He outperformed Smith and all other draft eligible LB as a frosh and soph, before losing his junior season to injuries. The knock on him seems to be his athleticism, but the only time it's been quantified he performed at a very high level. 11th best score at the Combine he attended. I'd much rather go by measured tests than someone I don't know's eyeball opinion when it comes down to it.

I would be very suprised if he's a late round pick, but happy as hell if he's our late round pick

Originally posted by GreatGabbert:
Not sure about San Fran, but I know most teams work out a group of 5 or so prospects they would consider drafting in the area of each of their choices. Here are mine.

Pick 1 (8 overall?) - Try to trade back into second half of round 1, or CB Vernon Hargreaves, WR Laquon Treadwell, DB Jalen Ramsey, OT Laramie Tunsil, OLB Myles Jack.

Tradeback pick 1 (20th overall?), or Pick 2 (40th overall?) - OL Jack Conklin, OT Taylor Decker, LB Scooby Wright, DE Carl Nassib, RB Derrick Henry

Tradeback pick 2 (52nd overall?), or Pick 3 (74th overall?) LB Scooby Wright, RB Derrick Henry, WR Pharoh Cooper, TE Hunter Henry, TE O.J. Howard

Tradeback pick 3 (84th overall?) and into Day 3 - QB Christian Hackenberg, TE Bucky Hodges, SS Miles Killebrew, RB D.J. Fostor, C Jack Allen (to be continued)

In a recent draft meeting among the GG staff, the decision to substitute Myles Jack OLB for Ronnie Stanley OT among the top grouping was made. Concerns were raised about Stanley's attitude and work ethic which caused his stock to drop. Even though he represents better positional value than Jack, members felt that personality and versatility made Myles Jack the more attractive prospect.

Originally posted by GreatGabbert:

I thought the DL performed fairly well this year, and most of them are young. Armstead and Harold were two of top three picks last draft, and Aaron Lynch has far outperformed his draft position. Dial seems to be a keeper in the middle.

Our DL is absolutely horrible. Dial might stick because there is no way to draft or sign enough replacements on the DL. Ian Williams and Armstead are safe. Dial is probably the safest of the needs to be replaced group.

Scooby right info

Rotoworld's Josh Norris believes Arizona LB Scooby Wright could be passed by a number of prospects at his position ahead of the draft.

Wright's 2015 was spent on the sideline while dealing with injury. Norris went back to look at the linebacker's 2014 games, which earned him conference and national owners, and came back with only adequate remarks. Wright's limited athleticism showed up against UCLA, when he was beat to the edge and lacked quickness to recover after taking a false step. It is not to say that Wright is "bad," but the position group is loaded and number of lesser known linebackers could pass Wright in rankings. Dec 18 - 12:04 PM

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/cfb/133854/scooby-wright

Not sure how you see this kid as a first round talent and even if you do you could most likely get him in the say the 3rd.

Norris had Ryan Nassib as the top player in the draft a couple years back. He's worse than pointless as an evaluator. PFF lists Scooby as the 21st best prospect in the draft. I'd take their opinion over Rotoworld eight days of the week.

Originally posted by GreatGabbert:

Norris had Ryan Nassib as the top player in the draft a couple years back. He's worse than pointless as an evaluator. PFF lists Scooby as the 21st best prospect in the draft. I'd take their opinion over Rotoworld eight days of the week.

I agree with PFF but did you see their mock???

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/12/15/draft-joey-bosa-jared-goff-go-1-2-in-mock-draft-1-0/

Doctson at 5 to us? Tunsil drops I can't get behind any of that lol

And if everyone views him as a late 2nd or 3rd round thats good for us (if you like him so much) we have 12 picks to play around with no sense in drafting him in the 1st when he can be had later.

Like I said Baalke can draft DBs and LBers and i have faith in him when picking those positions.

I didn't say to draft Wright in the first. I had him in the 20th overall to 74th overall groups. I just thought he made more sense for the 9ers there than the people wanting Jaylon Smith at 5th overall or so. I think Wright's athleticism is really underrated, maybe because he is white and stocky. But you can't argue with the production, and he has the demeanor for the job. Jaylon Smith is taking Film Theater and Television production in college, "because I've spent so much time in front of the cameras, and I think I'm really good at it". O.K., but we don't want another "Brand", especially playing ILB.

GG I'm right there with you on Scooby I think he is a pit bull on the field. But I also think you are not giving Jaylon Smith enough credit. Value would be better by getting oline or pass rusher in the first and wait on ILB in a pretty stacked group of LBs. But getting Jaylon in the first and a pass rusher/o-line in the 2nd has plenty of Value. And I'm not knocking our boy Scooby but he is not in the same league in pass coverage as Smith. And this team totally needs to reload on Smiths if we didn't pick up Torrey we would not even have a Smith on this team....

It depends on how much you value leadership and personality. I put very high regard to it in a team sport.

Originally posted by GreatGabbert:

I didn't say to draft Wright in the first. I had him in the 20th overall to 74th overall groups. I just thought he made more sense for the 9ers there than the people wanting Jaylon Smith at 5th overall or so. I think Wright's athleticism is really underrated, maybe because he is white and stocky. But you can't argue with the production, and he has the demeanor for the job. Jaylon Smith is taking Film Theater and Television production in college, "because I've spent so much time in front of the cameras, and I think I'm really good at it". O.K., but we don't want another "Brand", especially playing ILB.

So you have him rated from a 1st to a 3rd round pick? That's a pretty wide margin

If he can play on the field I have no issue with a "brand" player this is the NFL and that's what a player wants. JJ watt is a brand, Cam is a brand, Gronk is a brand.

Originally posted by GreatGabbert:

It depends on how much you value leadership and personality. I put very high regard to it in a team sport.

I think everyone values that but play on he field is just as important...also it depends on the postion IMO. Qbs have a different standard they are held at compared to the rest of the players. I'd like my DBs to have a little trash talkin in them like Josh Norman. I like a little swag, you ever listen to JJ watt mic'd up? You can have leadership and still have a brand.