RB Leonard Fournette

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Here would be my thoughts there. Do I think you can find a rb later yes. Is it dumb to draft AP or Elliott top 10 f* no.

Is it dumb to draft them top 10? No it's not.

Is it dumb to ignore glaring holes all over the defense to address one of the few positions that played well the year prior in a draft full of great defensive talent? I'd say yes.

As good as Peterson was he didn't win much there...why? Because without a great defense in place or a competent passing game in today's NFL you're not going far against legit teams. Do you recall how much success he had against our good teams?

Yeah, me neither.

Elliott was a perfect fit for Dallas and they made that choice at the cost of their defense but knowing he would give them a top 10 unit on offense and make them very difficult to stop.

As good as Fournette is he simply doesn't make us that much better than Carlos Hyde and a change of pace guy we can draft later...

Fournette is the best pure RB in this draft. Unfortunately that doesn't hold much stock nowadays. This isn't 1973.

Originally posted by genus49:
Is it dumb to draft them top 10? No it's not.

Is it dumb to ignore glaring holes all over the defense to address one of the few positions that played well the year prior in a draft full of great defensive talent? I'd say yes.

As good as Peterson was he didn't win much there...why? Because without a great defense in place or a competent passing game in today's NFL you're not going far against legit teams. Do you recall how much success he had against our good teams?

Yeah, me neither.

Elliott was a perfect fit for Dallas and they made that choice at the cost of their defense but knowing he would give them a top 10 unit on offense and make them very difficult to stop.

As good as Fournette is he simply doesn't make us that much better than Carlos Hyde and a change of pace guy we can draft later...

So was Minnesota dumb because they had Chester Taylor who was a 1k yard back when they drafted AP? Why? Probably because they didn't have a qb and could you tell me a team that could win it all with Tavoris Jackson as their qb? I'm waiting. Sort of like Hou and their #1 d that can't make a run either.

Originally posted by JBrack:
Fournette is the best pure RB in this draft. Unfortunately that doesn't hold much stock nowadays. This isn't 1973.

No, it isn't 1973, but it was 2016 last year and you can discuss your viewpoint with the Cowboys and get their perspective.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

So was Minnesota dumb because they had Chester Taylor who was a 1k yard back when they drafted AP? Why? Probably because they didn't have a qb and could you tell me a team that could win it all with Tavoris Jackson as their qb? I'm waiting. Sort of like Hou and their #1 d that can't make a run either.

Did you just ask why a team would draft AP over Chester Taylor?

Originally posted by JBrack:
Did you just ask why a team would draft AP over Chester Taylor?

But rb you can find them anywhere. Which is true but there's some players you don't pass on. AP was 1, is LF? Don't be hating on Chester Taylor though. Toledo Rockets.

Originally posted by Rascal:

No sh*t. I mean I know I have been pounding the table for Fournette and is well documented, but I can tell you there is no way I have made nearly as many posts as he has. That goes to show the extent of his hate.

Normally, in any thread on a given player, it is mainly filled with posts in supporting that player. While people may argue against a certain player, this guy is different, he is obsessed with totally trashing Fournette

You can't possibly have any reasonable exchange with such people. He just won't stop and is incapable of agreeing to disagree.

Pot meet kettle lol...it hasn't been pure hate at LF (and my apologies is that what everyone thinks). I think you've done you fair share of "trashing" players in here so don't go there.

I simply don't think a RB is worth the pick at two regardless of who it is...yes I've talked a ton about his flaws but I've done that on a lot of prospects in here.

End of the day we're all fans of the same team and actually want some positive things to happen...we will agree to disagree on how it should get done.

I really would love it if we got Fournette, as I feel he could be a real impact player. That being said, if we go defense I hope we get Hooker. We need a center fielder who can make plays.

Originally posted by Rascal:

No, it isn't 1973, but it was 2016 last year and you can discuss your viewpoint with the Cowboys and get their perspective.

Zeek is a much better prospect than Fournette. He is actually a 3 down back.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

But rb you can find them anywhere. Which is true but there's some players you don't pass on. AP was 1, is LF? Don't be hating on Chester Taylor though. Toledo Rockets.

I actually really liked him too. He was ahead of his time. Nowadays that dude would be a coveted player. He was one hell of a receiver and a decent runner.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

But rb you can find them anywhere. Which is true but there's some players you don't pass on. AP was 1, is LF? Don't be hating on Chester Taylor though. Toledo Rockets.

Jesus dude did you seriously try to make that analogy above?

Ok captain hindsight. Who would you think was a better pick for Minnesota that year? Btw they weren't picking #2 overall. Think they would've taken him then?

But if you want to use that hindsight of yours then yeah they should've drafted Willis or Revis instead. They probably would've won a lot more games though their fans wouldn't be able to homer up as much when playing fantasy football...

If anything that situation shows why you shouldn't do it unless the rest of your team is situated or at least it's the last piece of the offense.

Originally posted by genus49:
Jesus dude did you seriously try to make that analogy above?

Ok captain hindsight. Who would you think was a better pick for Minnesota that year? Btw they weren't picking #2 overall. Think they would've taken him then?

But if you want to use that hindsight of yours then yeah they should've drafted Willis or Revis instead. They probably would've won a lot more games though their fans wouldn't be able to homer up as much when playing fantasy football...

If anything that situation shows why you shouldn't do it unless the rest of your team is situated or at least it's the last piece of the offense.

Did I say there was a better pick then AP? I'm not seeing your point there. And no they wouldn't win more games unless you brought in a qb. Notice the 1 and only year AP had a qb he was 1 play away from a SB.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Did I say there was a better pick then AP? I'm not seeing your point there. And no they wouldn't win more games unless you brought in a qb.

My point is this year there are plenty of better options for us than drafting Fournette at 2...so why are you arguing against that?

Since you decided to ninja edit. Peterson also had a top 10 defense that year along with Favre, I think that had some part to play.

Want to remind me how good our defense was last year?

Originally posted by genus49:

My point is this year there are plenty of better options for us than drafting Fournette at 2...so why are you arguing against that?

Since you decided to ninja edit. Peterson also had a top 10 defense that year along with Favre, I think that had some part to play.

Want to remind me how good our defense was last year?

Originally posted by genus49:
My point is this year there are plenty of better options for us than drafting Fournette at 2...so why are you arguing against that?

Since you decided to ninja edit. Peterson also had a top 10 defense that year along with Favre, I think that had some part to play.

Want to remind me how good our defense was last year?

Bottom 5 just like our o which had an equally brilliant mind leading it too. Nobody is saying don't address the d ever, don't ever pick up a qb. There's not a you have to start the rebuild here checklist. You only can draft a back after areas 1, 2, 3 , 5 and 7 have been addressed. I don't know what you guys are smoking there. Where I do agree is the position can be found later, is LF a good scheme fit?, and durability concerns but I don't see him as a bad pick either. Our line is still built for the power run, we've added a great fb+ one of the better blocking Te's in the league. Hyde can't stay healthy and is a fa next year so if LF is as advertised he can propel us to a top 5 rushing attack and