RB Leonard Fournette

Originally posted by IdahoNiner:

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

Originally posted by IdahoNiner:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by genus49:

Nobody wants to address the whole 2.5 ypc in 3 games vs Alabama?

Closest D to what he'll see in the NFL and he puts up very pedestrian numbers?

This is not someone who can change the team all on his own.

Very good talent but he's not worth #2 overall for this team.

Jordan Howard vs OSU. 14 carries 34 yards. He can't run in the NFL because he didn't tear apart his toughest opponent.

That's college football for you. Bama has 8 NFL players on d. LSU has 3 NFL players on o. They can stack the box and prevent LSU's 1 triick pony offense from doing anything. The idea that the NFL is like that is a fallacy. It will certainly be tough sledding against Sea and the better D's but that's the case with everyone.

A top flight defense shutting down the run? Who ever heard of such a thing?

Which is exactly what we should be building.Not drafting some RB at 2.

Your right. Lets take a Dlineman #1 every year for eternity.

We have invested heavily on defense every year that Baalke was the GM, heavily neglecting the offensive side of the ball. I dont see that happening this year. I see Shanahan getting any and every piece on offense that he wants and is available in this draft, then addressing defense over the course of the next two seasons.

Hell, im not even convinced we have our long term DC in place right now.

I dont know who we will draft with the first this year, and im pretty sure they want to trade back, but i am personally about 90% certain that whoever we draft in round one, it will be an offensive player, not defensive.

Thomas is overrated at #2. Period.

We agree then - Hooker should be the pick

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

And Howard was a 5th rd pick that ran for the 2nd most yards in the league last year...don't need to draft a RB at two to get great production out of a RB, especially with shanahan.

Where he was picked has nothing to do with this argument. Howard is one of those gems you referred too. Still sucked against OSU so I guess that means he can't run in the NFL, right?

No it has everything to do with it...that's the whole point of my argument. The fact that LF too this pt hasn't shown to be a great pass catching back just adds to it. I've stated he's the best RB in this class. But it's been proven over and over you can find productive backs not in the 1st. We've already had this discussion and I really don't feel like talking to you about it again...it's like f**king ground hogs day in here lol

1 first rd running back in the top 10 last yr the...this draft is full of amazing backs to be had and our running game was the only positive thing we had last yr.

Originally posted by All22:
In a draft so deep at defensive positions it makes sense to grab marquee offensive players early.

Exactly. There are plenty of edge rushers, safeties and corners in this draft.

Bottom line, if you are going to pick someone at 2, the player will have to be able to deliver maximum impact from the get-go and Leonard Fournette is exactly that player and in fact the ONLY player after Myles Garrett who can give you that kind of performance.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
Are you trying to prove my point?

Proving what he did next to nothing vs Bama the three times he played them?

He's not horrible by any means but IMO I wouldn't draft any RB at two...not with everything else we need and the fact that we had the 32 ranked run blocking OL.

Only one RB in the top 10 last yr was a 1st rd pick...you don't have to spend a top 2 pick on a RB to get a very productive back it's a fact dude.

Proving exactly what i stated that you conveniently now cut from the chain.

He could have easily padded his stats against the s**t competition this season, but he didnt. He played against the tough comp, and rested against the gimme teams.

Your other point is well documented. You don't have to repeat it a dozen times each page. Its pretty funny that you started that sentence with "He's not horrible" LOL.

Your obviously trolling at this point lol.

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

We agree then - Hooker should be the pick

I'd gladly take hooker over Fournette

Originally posted by NYniner85:
No it has everything to do with it...that's the whole point of my argument. The fact that LF too this pt hasn't shown to be a great pass catching back just adds to it. I've stated he's the best RB in this class. But it's been proven over and over you can find productive backs not in the 1st. We've already had this discussion and I really don't feel like talking to you about it again...it's like f**king ground hogs day in here lol

1 first rd running back in the top 10 last yr the...this draft is full of amazing backs to be had and our running game was the only positive thing we had last yr.

Because you repeat the same thing a half dozen times a page.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
No it has everything to do with it...that's the whole point of my argument. The fact that LF too this pt hasn't shown to be a great pass catching back just adds to it. I've stated he's the best RB in this class. But it's been proven over and over you can find productive backs not in the 1st. We've already had this discussion and I really don't feel like talking to you about it again...it's like f**king ground hogs day in here lol

1 first rd running back in the top 10 last yr the...this draft is full of amazing backs to be had and our running game was the only positive thing we had last yr.

I'm actually fine with that argument but that's not what you're saying when you say he only ran for 2 yards against Bama he's not worth it. That's a slight on his talent which is misguided to say the least.

Originally posted by IdahoNiner:

Proving exactly what i stated that you conveniently now cut from the chain.

He could have easily padded his stats against the s**t competition this season, but he didnt. He played against the tough comp, and rested against the gimme teams.

Your other point is well documented. You don't have to repeat it a dozen times each page. Its pretty funny that you started that sentence with "He's not horrible" LOL.

Your obviously trolling at this point lol.

Dude f**k off trolling...I will repeat it until someone tells me why a RB has to be drafted at two when most top end RBs in today's game don't get drafted high???

Originally posted by tjd808185:

I'm actually fine with that argument but that's not what you're saying when you say he only ran for 2 yards against Bama he's not worth it. That's a slight on his talent which is misguided to say the least.

Do I think he's the best back in the class yes. do I think a RB should be drafted at two no...I also think he has his flaws, which some people in here simply refuse to beleive.

I'm gonna leave it at that

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
No it has everything to do with it...that's the whole point of my argument. The fact that LF too this pt hasn't shown to be a great pass catching back just adds to it. I've stated he's the best RB in this class. But it's been proven over and over you can find productive backs not in the 1st. We've already had this discussion and I really don't feel like talking to you about it again...it's like f**king ground hogs day in here lol

1 first rd running back in the top 10 last yr the...this draft is full of amazing backs to be had and our running game was the only positive thing we had last yr.

I'm actually fine with that argument but that's not what you're saying when you say he only ran for 2 yards against Bama he's not worth it. That's a slight on his talent which is misguided to say the least.

LOL. He starts off any sentence he starts about Fournette by stating "He's not Horrible, But..." LOL. Dudes trolling.

Fournette is a stud. If you believe that you should not draft a RB at #2 overall, fine. But at least be intellectually honest about the kids talent lol.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
Proving exactly what i stated that you conveniently now cut from the chain.

He could have easily padded his stats against the s**t competition this season, but he didnt. He played against the tough comp, and rested against the gimme teams.

Your other point is well documented. You don't have to repeat it a dozen times each page. Its pretty funny that you started that sentence with "He's not horrible" LOL.

Your obviously trolling at this point lol.

Dude f**k off trolling...I will repeat it until someone tells me why a RB has to be drafted at two when most top end RBs in today's game don't get drafted high???

No one said we have too draft a RB at #2. People are saying Fournette is talented enough to warrant the selection. There is a huge difference you seem to be missing.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Do I think he's the best back in the class yes. do I think a RB should be drafted at two no...I also think he has his flaws, which some people in here simply refuse to beleive.

I'm gonna leave it at that

Here would be my thoughts there. Do I think you can find a rb later yes. Is it dumb to draft AP or Elliott top 10 f* no.

Originally posted by IdahoNiner:

LOL. He starts off any sentence he starts about Fournette by stating "He's not Horrible, But..." LOL. Dudes trolling.

Fournette is a stud. If you believe that you should not draft a RB at #2 overall, fine. But at least be intellectually honest about the kids talent lol.

Piss off saying I'm trolling...you're just a Fournette homer who gets upset when someone doesn't think he's worth the 2nd pick in the draft.

I've stated I think he's the best RB in the class and yes I've pointed out what I think his flaws are...dude isn't perfect. Sorry if that hurts your feelings.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Jordan Howard vs OSU. 14 carries 34 yards. He can't run in the NFL because he didn't tear apart his toughest opponent.

That's college football for you. Bama has 8 NFL players on d. LSU has 3 NFL players on o. They can stack the box and prevent LSU's 1 triick pony offense from doing anything. The idea that the NFL is like that is a fallacy. It will certainly be tough sledding against Sea and the better D's but that's the case with everyone.

As has been mentioned Howard wasn't drafted #2 overall. He also didn't have 3 games of failure against the same team. One game is not a big deal chit happens. But 3 games vs the NFL type D and having a 2.5 ypc is a bit concerning.

You talk about taking a RB at #2 he better be able to run pretty much on demand no matter what.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Here would be my thoughts there. Do I think you can find a rb later yes. Is it dumb to draft AP or Elliott top 10 f* no.

If you have a FQB, top OL, and a number one WR then it would be more plausible....If dallas didn't get lucky and end up with the 4th pick I wouldn't have been surprised if Zeke dropped out of the top 10.