Greg Cosell Said this about the forum Boner

Originally posted by jrouter4949:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:
Wait so Parker is too slow to get separation at 4.45 and Strong is faster than his tape shows and can be taught to play faster at 4.44?

I think Parker is more of a Brandon Marahall type because Parker is actually a redzone threat unlike Crabtree. Oh well, time will tell. Plus, I wouldn't mind Crabtree who can out jump people in the redzone and with less attitude that is matched up with Torrey smith.

Wait Greg Cosell who looks at tons and tons of film over years and years don`t know what he is talking about? He is pretty much spot-on on His evaluation of football players, and you flynhayn15 look at HOW MUCH film? over how many years?....Now who do you think people are gonna believe an Expert or You who is not an expert film evaluator ?

So what your saying is:

Greg Cosell is perfect?
Greg Cosell has neverer been wrong on a draft evaluation
Greg Cosell's specialty is draft evaluation?
Greg Cosell has been doing draft evaluations for a long time?
"He is pretty much spot-on on His evaluation of football players" BUT this cant be the example where he is not? (BTW, was it a Freudian slip that you capitalized "His", do you consider him on the same level as God)


Did I say:

I was an expert?
I watched more film than him?
People should believe me?

I was merely asking what the difference between 4.44 and 4.45? How can one be fast and the other be slow? I also said that even if The Lord Almighty Cosell is right, and Parker's floor is Crabtree that isn't that low of a floor and I still wouldn't mind him at 15. If you can combine being able to out jump corners with Crabtree's game then he is definitely a #1 WR (in my mere mortal opinion) and I would definitely like to see him paired up with Torrey Smith for the next 5 years.

Originally posted by jrouter4949:

Originally posted by AUniner:
If we can trade down and get Strong I'd be pretty happy with that. Seems like a perfect compliment to Torrey Smith in a couple of years. Can learn a bunch from Boldin in the short term.

would be nice if they don`t take DGB, but I see this with Parker,He is not what we need ,Heck Crabtree just left why do we need to repeat what we had already seessh

This is a red-zone target no more FGs lol

Originally posted by flynhayn15:


I was merely asking what the difference between 4.44 and 4.45? How can one be fast and the other be slow?.

Because your 40 time doesn't always correlate to your playing time out on the football field. We've seen countless examples of this, not taking sides one way or the other but Torrey Smith ran a 4.43, would you say he's barely faster than Parker or Strong.

Originally posted by flynhayn15:
So what your saying is:

Greg Cosell is perfect?
Greg Cosell has neverer been wrong on a draft evaluation
Greg Cosell's specialty is draft evaluation?
Greg Cosell has been doing draft evaluations for a long time?
"He is pretty much spot-on on His evaluation of football players" BUT this cant be the example where he is not? (BTW, was it a Freudian slip that you capitalized "His", do you consider him on the same level as God)


Did I say:

I was an expert?
I watched more film than him?
People should believe me?

I was merely asking what the difference between 4.44 and 4.45? How can one be fast and the other be slow? I also said that even if The Lord Almighty Cosell is right, and Parker's floor is Crabtree that isn't that low of a floor and I still wouldn't mind him at 15. If you can combine being able to out jump corners with Crabtree's game then he is definitely a #1 WR (in my mere mortal opinion) and I would definitely like to see him paired up with Torrey Smith for the next 5 years.

Let me speak clear and slow for you ok; Parker DOES NOT PLAY FAST,HE SEEMS TO STRUGGLE GETTING OPEN ,REGULARLY, Why are you so stuck on this GUY? is he tthe ONLY wideout worth drafting? Good Grief..... And yes you did act like and even said you were an expert in the way you are BLINDLY defending Parker`s Short-comings, and He is NOT the only one who has verts,DGB, STRONG,WHITE,SMELTER, to name a few,Case in point about the 40 time,J Rice ran around 4.5-4.7 ok, But His football on field speed was a LOT faster,Parker 40 was 4.45-4.5 but,on the field He is SLOW.

Oh and BTW you don`t wanna go there with GOD son you know nothing about that,Just leave that along .....

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:


I was merely asking what the difference between 4.44 and 4.45? How can one be fast and the other be slow?.

Because your 40 time doesn't always correlate to your playing time out on the football field. We've seen countless examples of this, not taking sides one way or the other but Torrey Smith ran a 4.43, would you say he's barely faster than Parker or Strong.

Agreed combine speed is different than game speed for sure.

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:

Originally posted by jrouter4949:
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and I like this about Strong:
After watching Arizona State WR Jaelen Strong's college tape, NFL Films' Greg Cosell believes Strong doesn't maximize his speed because he is an unrefined route runner.


Draftniks were shocked when Strong ran 4.44 at the Combine; he doesn't play that fast. Cosell believes this can be fixed. "He's a kid that needs to tighten his route running quite a bit," said Cosell. "Lot of wasted motion in his route running, which prevents him from maximizing his speed. My guess is that can be taught." Cosell praised Strong for "very, very good body control" and his ability to win contested catches. Strong is a polarizing prospect, but should be a top-50 pick.


any question why WE should`nt draft Parker now? I would pick Strong before Parker

Strong's own comments before combine about his game is he thinks the area of his game that he need to improve on is route running and getting out of his breaks quicker, not his speed. I agree.

Good thing our new WR coach is a stud an route running instruction...

Originally posted by jrouter4949:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

So what your saying is:

Greg Cosell is perfect?
Greg Cosell has neverer been wrong on a draft evaluation
Greg Cosell's specialty is draft evaluation?
Greg Cosell has been doing draft evaluations for a long time?
"He is pretty much spot-on on His evaluation of football players" BUT this cant be the example where he is not? (BTW, was it a Freudian slip that you capitalized "His", do you consider him on the same level as God)


Did I say:

I was an expert?
I watched more film than him?
People should believe me?

I was merely asking what the difference between 4.44 and 4.45? How can one be fast and the other be slow? I also said that even if The Lord Almighty Cosell is right, and Parker's floor is Crabtree that isn't that low of a floor and I still wouldn't mind him at 15. If you can combine being able to out jump corners with Crabtree's game then he is definitely a #1 WR (in my mere mortal opinion) and I would definitely like to see him paired up with Torrey Smith for the next 5 years.

Let me speak clear and slow for you ok; Parker DOES NOT PLAY FAST,HE SEEMS TO STRUGGLE GETTING OPEN ,REGULARLY, Why are you so stuck on this GUY? is he tthe ONLY wideout worth drafting? Good Grief..... And yes you did act like and even said you were an expert in the way you are BLINDLY defending Parker`s Short-comings, and He is NOT the only one who has verts,DGB, STRONG,WHITE,SMELTER, to name a few,Case in point about the 40 time,J Rice ran around 4.5-4.7 ok, But His football on field speed was a LOT faster,Parker 40 was 4.45-4.5 but,on the field He is SLOW.

Oh and BTW you don`t wanna go there with GOD son you know nothing about that,Just leave that along .....

Ok, Parker does not play fast? You are basing this on what? Are you repeating something Lord Cosell said or do you know what that means? Can you give me examples of how he doesn't play fast?

Lord Cosell said Strong doesn't play fast either but his lack of speed is fixable. Can you give me examples of why Parker's speed is not fixable? Or are you the one who is "Blindly" defending Lord Cosell?

I didn't ever say he was the only WR worth drafting. Shoot, if any of the top 3 were there at 15, I would sign for them right now. But the difference is you think there is a huge disparity between the top 2 and Parker and I don't. I have a feeling NFL GMs don't either and we are probably arguing in vain because he won't be there at 15.

You bring up Rice? You are proving my point, that "slow" 40 times don't mean you can't be a deep threat in the NFL. And you said "On the field he is slow." Please give me your definition of slow and examples of how Parker is that please. Or are you "blindly" attacking him.

You said he "struggles to get open regularly." When a guy is the only option on a team and he scores a TD every 5 catches for a total of 33 TDs. I would venture to say he wasn't struggling too much. BTW, he score more TDs in one season then Odell Beckham score in his entire college career. So I would love to struggle like he does!

You said, "I acted like and even said I was and expert by the way I blindly defended his short comings." Please go back and find one quote where I said he was an expert! Also, what shortcomings (plural) were presented for me to defend? He is too slow? I defended that with stats. Please give me an example of my blind defense please. And for future reference when someone says stuff like, "I think" and "I guess we will see" that usually is not. "Acting like an expert."

Finally, let's say you are right and Parker is slow. Wouldn't that be even more impressive that he was so productive on the field? You bring up Strong and Smelter. Why was a slow receiver was more productive then them and why did he average more yds/catch then them? Shoot, he even averages more yds/catch than Ted Ginn when he was in college and definitely doesn't "play slow on the field."

PS. Why would I want to leave God "along?"

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:


I was merely asking what the difference between 4.44 and 4.45? How can one be fast and the other be slow?.

Because your 40 time doesn't always correlate to your playing time out on the football field. We've seen countless examples of this, not taking sides one way or the other but Torrey Smith ran a 4.43, would you say he's barely faster than Parker or Strong.

Kind of unrelated, but I don't like how they allow all the prospects to start their 40 yard dash from a crouched position. That's not how WRs line up at the line of scrimmage. At least not anymore. They should be standing up.

With Torrey on board for the next 4 years, I'd like the first WR drafted by the 49ers to be more in the body control/precision route runner mold, rather than speed demon type. The ones that are both will need trading up I assume and I wouldn't want that. If Parker is a 'fight for catches using size' type, but can't create separation with routes, I'd prefer the 49ers pass on him.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

I was merely asking what the difference between 4.44 and 4.45? How can one be fast and the other be slow?.

Because your 40 time doesn't always correlate to your playing time out on the football field. We've seen countless examples of this, not taking sides one way or the other but Torrey Smith ran a 4.43, would you say he's barely faster than Parker or Strong.

Agreed combine speed is different than game speed for sure.

I agree as well, but one plays slow an has no room for improvement and the other plays slow and can improve with coaching? How so? Again, I will take 18 yds/catch and red zone missmatches from any slow WR.

Greg Cosell thought Tavon Austin was the best WR and player in his draft. He got me all hyped up on him and I wanted the 49ers to trade up and get him. Tavon Austin has had a couple of nice moments but you breath on him and he falls down. His yards per catch for as fast as he is sucks. Now he can't stay healthy. If Cosell were as smart as everybody thought he would be working for a team.

Originally posted by flynhayn15:
So what your saying is:

Greg Cosell is perfect?
Greg Cosell has neverer been wrong on a draft evaluation
Greg Cosell's specialty is draft evaluation?
Greg Cosell has been doing draft evaluations for a long time?
"He is pretty much spot-on on His evaluation of football players" BUT this cant be the example where he is not? (BTW, was it a Freudian slip that you capitalized "His", do you consider him on the same level as God)


Did I say:

I was an expert?
I watched more film than him?
People should believe me?

I was merely asking what the difference between 4.44 and 4.45? How can one be fast and the other be slow? I also said that even if The Lord Almighty Cosell is right, and Parker's floor is Crabtree that isn't that low of a floor and I still wouldn't mind him at 15. If you can combine being able to out jump corners with Crabtree's game then he is definitely a #1 WR (in my mere mortal opinion) and I would definitely like to see him paired up with Torrey Smith for the next 5 years.

40 times are just straight line speed and doesn't take into account how the person come out breaks and changes direction. Also, it hasn't been said much, but running in full gear is different than no gear. However, we all know that QB, systems and coaches affect a players success.

Originally posted by thl408:
Kind of unrelated, but I don't like how they allow all the prospects to start their 40 yard dash from a crouched position. That's not how WRs line up at the line of scrimmage. At least not anymore. They should be standing up.

With Torrey on board for the next 4 years, I'd like the first WR drafted by the 49ers to be more in the body control/precision route runner mold, rather than speed demon type. The ones that are both will need trading up I assume and I wouldn't want that. If Parker is a 'fight for catches using size' type, but can't create separation with routes, I'd prefer the 49ers pass on him.

I'd like them all to run the 40 in full gear myself then at their pro day run a regular 40.

Originally posted by flynhayn15:
Ok, Parker does not play fast? You are basing this on what? Are you repeating something Lord Cosell said or do you know what that means? Can you give me examples of how he doesn't play fast?

Lord Cosell said Strong doesn't play fast either but his lack of speed is fixable. Can you give me examples of why Parker's speed is not fixable? Or are you the one who is "Blindly" defending Lord Cosell?

I didn't ever say he was the only WR worth drafting. Shoot, if any of the top 3 were there at 15, I would sign for them right now. But the difference is you think there is a huge disparity between the top 2 and Parker and I don't. I have a feeling NFL GMs don't either and we are probably arguing in vain because he won't be there at 15.

You bring up Rice? You are proving my point, that "slow" 40 times don't mean you can't be a deep threat in the NFL. And you said "On the field he is slow." Please give me your definition of slow and examples of how Parker is that please. Or are you "blindly" attacking him.

You said he "struggles to get open regularly." When a guy is the only option on a team and he scores a TD every 5 catches for a total of 33 TDs. I would venture to say he wasn't struggling too much. BTW, he score more TDs in one season then Odell Beckham score in his entire college career. So I would love to struggle like he does!

You said, "I acted like and even said I was and expert by the way I blindly defended his short comings." Please go back and find one quote where I said he was an expert! Also, what shortcomings (plural) were presented for me to defend? He is too slow? I defended that with stats. Please give me an example of my blind defense please. And for future reference when someone says stuff like, "I think" and "I guess we will see" that usually is not. "Acting like an expert."

Finally, let's say you are right and Parker is slow. Wouldn't that be even more impressive that he was so productive on the field? You bring up Strong and Smelter. Why was a slow receiver was more productive then them and why did he average more yds/catch then them? Shoot, he even averages more yds/catch than Ted Ginn when he was in college and definitely doesn't "play slow on the field."

PS. Why would I want to leave God "along?"

Hey I have Eyes,I watched quite a few Louisville games for the past 5 years pre-paker games, and I have watched this kid for several years and I see what I see,you need to take off those ROSE-Colored Glasses Son ,you Mad, and in Love with Parker all day every day and five times on the weekend,I guess fat meat is`nt greasey is it Flyn......Look you are not gonna win me over nor or you gonna convince me to see through your rose-colored glasses

You know who else is slow and can't separate? Alshon Jeffrey. He's be Bears go-to guy and deep threat because he can go up and high point the ball. Smaller CBs have a nightmare defending it. Parker is quicker than Jeffrey and is better than Jeffrey was coming out of college, specifically with getting up over DBs. Speed isn't everything for a WR. Parker has unique skills that transfer to the NFL. Anyone who has seen him play knows that he's not just a possession WR and doesn't resemble Crabtree.

Originally posted by strickac:

You know who else is slow and can't separate? Alshon Jeffrey. He's be Bears go-to guy and deep threat because he can go up and high point the ball. Smaller CBs have a nightmare defending it. Parker is quicker than Jeffrey and is better than Jeffrey was coming out of college, specifically with getting up over DBs. Speed isn't everything for a WR. Parker has unique skills that transfer to the NFL. Anyone who has seen him play knows that he's not just a possession WR and doesn't resemble Crabtree.

This all day! This is who I see him getting compared to all the time. Your right speed isn't everything just watch players like Jeffery, AJ, Evans, Benjamin, Marshall, colston etc....they use there body, route running and length to beat Cbs.

I think Parker is the 2nd most polished WR in the class and his tape and stats back it up.