Your expectations starting today....???

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by NickSh49:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by NickSh49:
I argue we gain nothing from staying put, but that's me. You have 11 picks and no time to develop all of them. Time to spend that currency to get a guy you believe in.

Latimer, Matthews or Moncrief at #30 isn't too bad. I'd be happy with that.

I agree with Nick on this. While I'd be fine with staying put at #30 (in HarBaalk I trust) I think we should spend some picks for a top guy. We are really, really close this coming season. I doubt HarBaalk will mortgage our 2015 draft but we don't have many needs at all with 11 picks to fill them. Even if we drafted all 11 picks - doubt it - I cannot see more than 7 guys actually making our 53 this draft. Why not pend a little to get a real impact guy who might be a difference in pushing us to our 6th Lombardi.

I think trading up is more about the 49ers getting the guy THEY LIKE. You can talk about dudes that are ranked high on mocks, but Harbaalke did their homework. They know who they like. They WANT who they like. Better than waiting at #30 and hoping the guy you like falls to you.

I just don't think we will find a trade partner to get into the mid teens to get Beckham, Lee or Cooks. That's why I'm just conceding we'll end up picking at #30. Don't get me wrong I'd love to move up for a stud, but I just don't think it's going to happen.

I'm starting to agree, but I think they'll switch their priorities to CB or S if Beckham is gone (unless they like Cooks or Lee). But yeah... suddenly my WR-trade up notion is looking a tiny bit less likely. Too many teams seem hungry for WR's.

Originally posted by NickSh49:

Originally posted by IdahoNiner:

Originally posted by CWin4949:

Originally posted by IdahoNiner:

Originally posted by CWin4949:

Originally posted by NickSh49:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
It would not be the end of the world to stay put. Plenty of options at WR

Exactly, we can still get good players if we stay put.

I argue we gain nothing from staying put, but that's me. You have 11 picks and no time to develop all of them. Time to spend that currency to get a guy you believe in.

I'm with you, we quality now, while we still have some key players in place.

Its not Baalkes style to reach. If a guy he likes is available as a spot we see good value at, he will pull the trigger, but he wont reach. Its simply not a part of his model. The overreactions are already starting. Again, it would not be the end of the world to stay put, or...gasp...trade back.

Its all about maintaining value in the draft.

Maintaining value won't win us a Super Bowl , we need impact players to do that and we need those players this year while we still have other impact players on the roster....

The reason our roster is what it is, is because of maintaining value and pics in the draft. This will not change under harbaalke. One player will not put this roster over the top or buy a super bowl. The NFL doesnt work that way, and it has been proven time and time again. Maybe in a precap era, but no longer.

If the value is there, they will make the move.

I don't think trading up is "reaching." I think they will pinpoint the player they like and try to get that guy. If that guy goes early, then maybe they take their guy at another position.

Like if Beckham goes early, maybe they start looking at their favorite CB's? Something like that.

Im not saying moving up is reaching, im saying that baalke places a value on players and will not budge on that value. He will not make a move unless he feels it makes sense on his value chart. He will not panic and overpay.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
The we trade up to get Mike Evans

this guy is one of the few guys in the draft that can do it all. Go deep (4.46/40) and great size to be a ball control receiver like Anquan. If Harbaake can make this happen, we're winning the superbowl this year. As it is, it will take our entire draft to move up that much to take him - in my opinion. Love for this to happen, and am hoping and praying for it to happen, but I sure as heck won't *bet* on it to happen.

Cannot agree with that. I doubt seriously that Evans go before #8. We have the picks (perhaps a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 7th) to move up in front of Detroit or the Bills to the 9th or 8th spot. I think that's VERY doable, and we'd still have a slew of picks left to address all kinds of needs.

My expectations from this years draft? The Browns even with 3 top 35 picks will find a way to screw it up again.

Originally posted by IdahoNiner:

The reason our roster is what it is, is because of maintaining value and pics in the draft. This will not change under harbaalke. One player will not put this roster over the top or buy a super bowl. The NFL doesnt work that way, and it has been proven time and time again. Maybe in a precap era, but no longer.

If the value is there, they will make the move.

I agree that one player is not going to change, especially if you're strapped on picks and will have to give up future depth, but that's not where this team is at. We can add quality players now and STILL maintain additional picks to build with going forward.

Originally posted by IdahoNiner:

Originally posted by NickSh49:

Originally posted by IdahoNiner:

Originally posted by CWin4949:

Originally posted by IdahoNiner:

Originally posted by CWin4949:

Originally posted by NickSh49:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
It would not be the end of the world to stay put. Plenty of options at WR

Exactly, we can still get good players if we stay put.

I argue we gain nothing from staying put, but that's me. You have 11 picks and no time to develop all of them. Time to spend that currency to get a guy you believe in.

I'm with you, we quality now, while we still have some key players in place.

Its not Baalkes style to reach. If a guy he likes is available as a spot we see good value at, he will pull the trigger, but he wont reach. Its simply not a part of his model. The overreactions are already starting. Again, it would not be the end of the world to stay put, or...gasp...trade back.

Its all about maintaining value in the draft.

Maintaining value won't win us a Super Bowl , we need impact players to do that and we need those players this year while we still have other impact players on the roster....

The reason our roster is what it is, is because of maintaining value and pics in the draft. This will not change under harbaalke. One player will not put this roster over the top or buy a super bowl. The NFL doesnt work that way, and it has been proven time and time again. Maybe in a precap era, but no longer.

If the value is there, they will make the move.

I don't think trading up is "reaching." I think they will pinpoint the player they like and try to get that guy. If that guy goes early, then maybe they take their guy at another position.

Like if Beckham goes early, maybe they start looking at their favorite CB's? Something like that.

Im not saying moving up is reaching, im saying that baalke places a value on players and will not budge on that value. He will not make a move unless he feels it makes sense on his value chart. He will not panic and overpay.

Agreed.

Originally posted by IdahoNiner:

The reason our roster is what it is, is because of maintaining value and pics in the draft. This will not change under harbaalke. One player will not put this roster over the top or buy a super bowl. The NFL doesnt work that way, and it has been proven time and time again. Maybe in a precap era, but no longer.

If the value is there, they will make the move.

One reason I think your bolded statement above is true, is because free agency is just institutionalized socialism. Meaning that in the NFL, this particular brand of capitalistic socialism is just basically making every NFL team average to the lowest common denominator. So you don't use Free Agency to push a particular position over the top, you use it to supplement weak positions and bring them to average quality. Then the draft comes in to take those positions over the top. Key here is the value judgements of Haarbalke. I hope they are on the money in this draft, because if they hit even just 50% - we are so close to the 6th Lombardi - that it will take us over the top.

Originally posted by NickSh49:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by NickSh49:
I argue we gain nothing from staying put, but that's me. You have 11 picks and no time to develop all of them. Time to spend that currency to get a guy you believe in.

Latimer, Matthews or Moncrief at #30 isn't too bad. I'd be happy with that.

I agree with Nick on this. While I'd be fine with staying put at #30 (in HarBaalk I trust) I think we should spend some picks for a top guy. We are really, really close this coming season. I doubt HarBaalk will mortgage our 2015 draft but we don't have many needs at all with 11 picks to fill them. Even if we drafted all 11 picks - doubt it - I cannot see more than 7 guys actually making our 53 this draft. Why not pend a little to get a real impact guy who might be a difference in pushing us to our 6th Lombardi.

I think trading up is more about the 49ers getting the guy THEY LIKE. You can talk about dudes that are ranked high on mocks, but Harbaalke did their homework. They know who they like. They WANT who they like. Better than waiting at #30 and hoping the guy you like falls to you.

Don't get me wrong, it don't know who it is they like. But who's to say that a guy HarBaalk really likes, who they want, isn't in the top ten of their big board. Again, I'm alright with staying put. I just see nothing spending a little to get a real blue chip.

I expect to stay sober for once so I can remember what happens tonight!

Originally posted by NJNiner:

I expect to stay sober for once so I can remember what happens tonight!

sure fire way to ruin the experience....

Originally posted by CWin4949:
Lol, sorry but I can't draw illustrations for you Bro...

It's simple....

Would you rather try to win a SB with or without Crabtree?

Would you rather try to win a SB with or without Aldon Smith?

Would you rather try to win a SB with a younger or older Justin Smith, Anquan Boldin and Frank Gore?

Would you rather try to win a SB with the same coaching staff that's been in place for the past 3 years, or a staff that may have new coaches?

Would you rather try to win a SB with Iupati in the line, or without Iupati on the team?


Sorry you don't get it, but no one ever said anything about panicking, that's something you pulled out of no where.

Its really quite simple, we have a much better chance, or a higher percentage, to win a SB with fore mentioned players and an influx of quality rookies, compared to the alternative.

I know it seems hard for you to understand, but no one is saying this is the final time the 49ers have a chance to win the SB, just that this is going to be the best chance with the current roster at its best.

You're making my point for me. We will draft with the future in mind, like Baalke always has, because of the status of the guys you listed.

I'm not saying we won't move up, because we likely will if Baalke sees an opportunity. I'm saying I don't expect us to sell out for one player. And I wouldn't be shocked to see us grab a medical redshirt guy or two to stash for the future.

Last shot...

- You seem to be saying we have a limited window because we stand to lose guys in the future, so we should go for broke in this draft.

vs.

- I'm saying we need to draft with long-term success in mind as well. I won't be upset if Baalke trades a 2014 pick for a higher 2015 pick or picks up medical redshirts. That's how we sustain success. It's how the Patriots, Ravens, and other perennial contenders have remained competitive for so long.

Side note: I always like it when my intelligence is insulted by people who start sentences with "Lol", call me "bro", and use multiple question marks for no real reason.

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Cannot agree with that. I doubt seriously that Evans go before #8. We have the picks (perhaps a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 7th) to move up in front of Detroit or the Bills to the 9th or 8th spot. I think that's VERY doable, and we'd still have a slew of picks left to address all kinds of needs.

Isn't that pretty much our whole draft?

I take the long view on most things. I expect my team to challenge for a spot in the SB every year (though I realize some years are more realistic than others). But if it doesn't happen, I dust myself off and come back cheering for the team in the same way the next year. This will happen until there's no more breath left in me, so in reality, nothing changes for me from year to year.

Originally posted by CWin4949:
I agree that one player is not going to change, especially if you're strapped on picks and will have to give up future depth, but that's not where this team is at. We can add quality players now and STILL maintain additional picks to build with going forward.

Obviously that's the goal.

Would you be pissed if we traded a 2014 pick for a higher 2015 pick? What about if we add a medical redshirt or two?

Ghost, who's our pick going to be?