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MadDog's Niners Draft Grade and Analysis for 2012 NFL Draft

Originally posted by tjd808185:
We had Moss who's the best deep threat to ever play the game. Of course JH played him. Then Ginn left.

You can't play a 3 WR set of Crabtree Moss and Ginn?

Ginn left because he wasn't used. Would you stay somewhere where you got 2 passes thrown your way?
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Dude was never a true receiver. He learned how to be good maybe for a year.

He continues to drop passes til this day, He muffed a punt with 2 minutes left. You lose your head coaches trust.

We had 3 slow ass receiver and the one with speed couldn't catch the damn ball.. lol
[ Edited by Wu-5Rings on Jul 18, 2018 at 8:19 PM ]
Delnaie Walker dropped a hell of a lot of passes too. So did Vernon.
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
You can't play a 3 WR set of Crabtree Moss and Ginn?

Ginn left because he wasn't used. Would you stay somewhere where you got 2 passes thrown your way?

Why would you on a power based run 1st team? Crabs, Delanie, Moss and Vernon makes a ton more sense. We finished 2nd per play in 2012, was firing on all cylinders.

Ginn made the right move for himself. He works with a qb like Cam who's constantly looking to sling it deep. When he got playing time here in 11 he had Alex Smith as his qb. Someone you have to beat over the head to chuck it deep.
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Dude can play. Shouldve used him more.
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Why would you on a power based run 1st team? Crabs, Delanie, Moss and Vernon makes a ton more sense. We finished 2nd per play in 2012, was firing on all cylinders.

Ginn made the right move for himself. He works with a qb like Cam who's constantly looking to sling it deep. When he got playing time here in 11 he had Alex Smith as his qb. Someone you have to beat over the head to chuck it deep.

So if you make the choice to not use the speed guy you have for schematic reasons you can't later say I never had that guy. He had him. He made the choice to play 2 WR 2 TE.

Kyle Williams found his ways to 14 catches in 2012. Shouldn't those have gone to Ginn?
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
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Dude can play. Shouldve used him more.

Also failed for 3 teams. There are system players.
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Also failed for 3 teams. There are system players.

Failing as a #1 sure. Doesn't mean he can't have a role beyond 2 catches if speed WR is the key to the offense.

I find it hard to believe Harbaugh wasn't 100% on board with getting Anquan Boldin.
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
So if you make the choice to not use the speed guy you have for schematic reasons you can't later say I never had that guy. He had him. He made the choice to play 2 WR 2 TE.

Kyle Williams found his ways to 14 catches in 2012. Shouldn't those have gone to Ginn?

Williams found a place in the offense because he's more of a slot receiver.

And Ginn was gone after 12 (12 wasn't a priblem year for the o) and Baalke replaced him with slow and slower. That's on him.
[ Edited by tjd808185 on Jul 18, 2018 at 8:41 PM ]
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Williams found a place in the offense because he's more of a slot receiver.

And Ginn was gone after 12 (12 wasn't a priblem year for the o) and Baalke replaced him with slow and slower. That's on him.

Play Crabtree in slot. He had great body control. Find a way to effectively use all your pieces.
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Williams found a place in the offense because he's more of a slot receiver.

And Ginn was gone after 12 (12 wasn't a priblem year for the o) and Baalke replaced him with slow and slower. That's on him.

Play Crabtree in slot. He had great body control. Find a way to effectively use all your pieces.

Wasn't Crabtree hurt in 2012?

What happens if you cannot lol

No bench.... Talent was needed, injuries happen. What happens when you cannot use all your pieces or lack there of.

Vernon Davis had back problems, Crabtree had surgery or injury problems. There was a need at one point during that run for a bench.

Alex Boone held out. There were alot of issues with that offensive line at one point during that Super Bowl run late. Talent started to fade. Iupati under performed, even Staley looked lost..
[ Edited by Wu-5Rings on Jul 18, 2018 at 9:09 PM ]
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Play Crabtree in slot. He had great body control. Find a way to effectively use all your pieces.

An offense running at 2nd per play is using it's pieces. When you got Crabs, Vernon, Moss, Manningham, Walker + a top rushing attack. You can't play everyone.
Originally posted by tjd808185:
An offense running at 2nd per play is using it's pieces. When you got Crabs, Vernon, Moss, Manningham, Walker + a top rushing attack. You can't play everyone.

Manning ham got hurt against Seattle. Replace him with Ginn.
Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

Wasn't Crabtree hurt in 2012?

What happens if you cannot lol

No bench.... Talent was needed, injuries happen. What happens when you cannot use all your pieces or lack there of.

Vernon Davis had back problems, Crabtree had surgery or injury problems. There was a need at one point during that run for a bench.

Crabtree got hurt in 2013. Vernon played in every game in 2012.

I know you want to bring the conversation back around to bash Baalke but Baalke didn't choose not to play Ginn. That was a mistake. He's shown that the last 5 years. If Harbaugh can't change his scheme to fit talent that's an indictment of his coaching ability. Bellicheck tweaks his defense every year to fit what he has.
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Crabtree got hurt in 2013. Vernon played in every game in 2012.

I know you want to bring the conversation back around to bash Baalke but Baalke didn't choose not to play Ginn. That was a mistake. He's shown that the last 5 years. If Harbaugh can't change his scheme to fit talent that's an indictment of his coaching ability. Bellicheck tweaks his defense every year to fit what he has.

2014 season was a disaster brewing is my point sir..

Our whole line underperformed! Facts, They couldn't pass protect, Alex Boone held out... Created problems... Anthony Davis under performed, Staley, Iupati all underperformed..

Correct me where I'm wrong... We knew that offensive line was becoming a problem.. Vernon Davis back injury along with Crabtree surgery..

Disaster waiting to happen.. That's what happens when you don't have a bench.

True story
[ Edited by Wu-5Rings on Jul 18, 2018 at 9:15 PM ]
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