MadDog's Final 254 Draft Board

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by bzborow1:
I wonder if all this talk about 5+ QB's going in the first round is really just smoke and mirrors. If I was a team in the 20's I would love to create the fantasy that any and every half-decent QB is going to be taken before pick 45.

The reality is players like Andy Dalton were given 3+ round grades not more than a month ago.

Based on my impressions of this QB class, I do not think all these QB's will be coming off the board this early. A QB with an average arm is a QB with an average arm, and no amount of hype should change that.

I think what's going on with the QB's is similar to what's going on with Patrick Peterson. The guy is a top 5 talent, so I have trouble seeing how he makes it to the 49ers. I think a lot of these "draftniks" get caught up in "right fits"....for example, the draft looks good if Peterson falls to S.F.

I think the perfect storm of aging QB's (McNabb), QB's refusing to report to their team (Palmer), QB's who never developed as expected (Henne in Miami, Jackson in Minnesota, Young in Tennessee, Smith in SF), and the uncertaintly of the CBA have really created a huge need for teams to pull the lever, and control their own destiny by drafting a QB, even at an inflationary price, instead of sitting back and waiting for things to sort out.

However, I could be quite wrong in this prediction.

I don't think you are wrong.

I have been watching this league for 30 years and cannot remember a time when so many teams had poor-to-mediocre QBs. There will be at least 12 teams that will be trying to solve their QB problems in this draft, and that means will pay an inflated price for a QB.

Rick Gosselin, probably the best draftnik in the business, or at least the most connected, has five QB's in the top 12 picks. Just a stunning number.

Hyperinflation looks to be alive and well with QB's in 2011. I hope we don't bite, and just let things settle out, instead of trading a number of picks to move up to get the guy we want.

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by bzborow1:
I wonder if all this talk about 5+ QB's going in the first round is really just smoke and mirrors. If I was a team in the 20's I would love to create the fantasy that any and every half-decent QB is going to be taken before pick 45.

The reality is players like Andy Dalton were given 3+ round grades not more than a month ago.

Based on my impressions of this QB class, I do not think all these QB's will be coming off the board this early. A QB with an average arm is a QB with an average arm, and no amount of hype should change that.

I think what's going on with the QB's is similar to what's going on with Patrick Peterson. The guy is a top 5 talent, so I have trouble seeing how he makes it to the 49ers. I think a lot of these "draftniks" get caught up in "right fits"....for example, the draft looks good if Peterson falls to S.F.

I think the perfect storm of aging QB's (McNabb), QB's refusing to report to their team (Palmer), QB's who never developed as expected (Henne in Miami, Jackson in Minnesota, Young in Tennessee, Smith in SF), and the uncertaintly of the CBA have really created a huge need for teams to pull the lever, and control their own destiny by drafting a QB, even at an inflationary price, instead of sitting back and waiting for things to sort out.

However, I could be quite wrong in this prediction.

I don't think you are wrong.

I have been watching this league for 30 years and cannot remember a time when so many teams had poor-to-mediocre QBs. There will be at least 12 teams that will be trying to solve their QB problems in this draft, and that means will pay an inflated price for a QB.

Rick Gosselin, probably the best draftnik in the business, or at least the most connected, has five QB's in the top 12 picks. Just a stunning number.

Hyperinflation looks to be alive and well with QB's in 2011. I hope we don't bite, and just let things settle out, instead of trading a number of picks to move up to get the guy we want.

Well perhaps you are right. I hope the 49ers stick with the BPA and don't reach for a QB this year. Perhaps it might make sense if we traded out of our 7 spot and drafted someone in the 10-15 range and received extra compensation, but otherwise it's a risky venture.

Even if we draft a QB, we'll still have to address the CB situation with Clements coming off the books, the OLB situation with zero pass rushers, potentially interior line with Franklin's contract coming up, and we still need help at WR in my estimation.

The one QB that's bugging me right now is Jake Locker. It wasn't a year ago when he was a potential #1 overall pick, so what happened? The guy seems to have what Harbaugh's looking for. I also wonder, like the Rozano scout guy said, how playing with crappy receivers impacted his accuracy.

Dalton and Ponder are popular picks, but I wander about their overall talent. At some point, you've just got to have the athleticism and arm to be great...save for a VERY select few QB's. To me Dalton and Ponder are just as ricky as Locker, perhaps more so.

[ Edited by bzborow1 on Apr 28, 2011 at 12:47:28 ]

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by bzborow1:
I wonder if all this talk about 5+ QB's going in the first round is really just smoke and mirrors. If I was a team in the 20's I would love to create the fantasy that any and every half-decent QB is going to be taken before pick 45.

The reality is players like Andy Dalton were given 3+ round grades not more than a month ago.

Based on my impressions of this QB class, I do not think all these QB's will be coming off the board this early. A QB with an average arm is a QB with an average arm, and no amount of hype should change that.

I think what's going on with the QB's is similar to what's going on with Patrick Peterson. The guy is a top 5 talent, so I have trouble seeing how he makes it to the 49ers. I think a lot of these "draftniks" get caught up in "right fits"....for example, the draft looks good if Peterson falls to S.F.

I think the perfect storm of aging QB's (McNabb), QB's refusing to report to their team (Palmer), QB's who never developed as expected (Henne in Miami, Jackson in Minnesota, Young in Tennessee, Smith in SF), and the uncertaintly of the CBA have really created a huge need for teams to pull the lever, and control their own destiny by drafting a QB, even at an inflationary price, instead of sitting back and waiting for things to sort out.

However, I could be quite wrong in this prediction.

I don't think you are wrong.

I have been watching this league for 30 years and cannot remember a time when so many teams had poor-to-mediocre QBs. There will be at least 12 teams that will be trying to solve their QB problems in this draft, and that means will pay an inflated price for a QB.

It's always been that way, it's just the position has become more important because of the rules changes that favor the passing game. Teams used to be able to get by on running and defense because scoring wasn't so high. You can't win that way anymore. Look at the Steelers in the 90s they always made the playoffs with pretty lousy QBs. You don't even make the POs anymore without a good QB.

Could it be that the league's requirements for a "good" QB have outpaced the number of players who have those requirements? In other words, are there simply not enough athletes who can be good QBs in today's league? Maybe that's why so many teams are looking for QBs this year.

Bump

Thank you, MadDog.

Hmmm...nice job of having aldon smith listed as #11. Very astute of you. As for the "pickers", there sure were some phenomenal QB reaches, actually desperation picks. I had hoped we would have had a shot at Lockyer, but watching this draft has been fascinating. My guess? Harbaugh will get his Qb in late rds, but he really feels that because of our past incredibly poor coaching, this team is really a lot better than it has shown. I also think he is capable of up-coaching alex, and having seen Harbaugh's college performance, he may be right. After being neutral on alex for 4+ yrs, I finally thru in the towel...but maybe Harbaugh thinks there actually is something there. Whatever, i will be glued to radio and tv to see how aldon does. The reach "thing" is kinda exciting, with arms that could really be put to good use. Unfortunately i watched mizzou's O a lot more than their D, so I really am in the dark on Aldon. If he turns out to be a great pick, we DO have a for real GM and HC. Man , I hope so.

Originally posted by TX9R:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by bzborow1:
I wonder if all this talk about 5+ QB's going in the first round is really just smoke and mirrors. If I was a team in the 20's I would love to create the fantasy that any and every half-decent QB is going to be taken before pick 45.

The reality is players like Andy Dalton were given 3+ round grades not more than a month ago.

Based on my impressions of this QB class, I do not think all these QB's will be coming off the board this early. A QB with an average arm is a QB with an average arm, and no amount of hype should change that.

I think what's going on with the QB's is similar to what's going on with Patrick Peterson. The guy is a top 5 talent, so I have trouble seeing how he makes it to the 49ers. I think a lot of these "draftniks" get caught up in "right fits"....for example, the draft looks good if Peterson falls to S.F.

I think the perfect storm of aging QB's (McNabb), QB's refusing to report to their team (Palmer), QB's who never developed as expected (Henne in Miami, Jackson in Minnesota, Young in Tennessee, Smith in SF), and the uncertaintly of the CBA have really created a huge need for teams to pull the lever, and control their own destiny by drafting a QB, even at an inflationary price, instead of sitting back and waiting for things to sort out.

However, I could be quite wrong in this prediction.

I don't think you are wrong.

I have been watching this league for 30 years and cannot remember a time when so many teams had poor-to-mediocre QBs. There will be at least 12 teams that will be trying to solve their QB problems in this draft, and that means will pay an inflated price for a QB.

It's always been that way, it's just the position has become more important because of the rules changes that favor the passing game. Teams used to be able to get by on running and defense because scoring wasn't so high. You can't win that way anymore. Look at the Steelers in the 90s they always made the playoffs with pretty lousy QBs. You don't even make the POs anymore without a good QB.

I agree that rule changes have increased the importance of having a QB that can throw the ball. I don't agree that things have always been that way - they haven't but I don't care enough about it to argue. The fact is, this year's crop of QBs are relatively weak but the good news is there are a lot of them. None of them are worth a top 15 pick, IMO. Lots of reaches tonight.

Thanks for coming into the chat and answering questions.

Originally posted by fryet:
Yes, I am serious, and I haven't even heard him talked about in the various websites. No, I don't watch college football.

From the various websites out there:

Tyrod Taylor will go down as one of the greatest and most electrifying quarterbacks ever to step foot on Virginia Tech’s campus.

When Tyrod graduated from Hampton (high school) in 2007, he was rated as the No. 1 dual-threat quarterback at Rivals.com. ESPN.com rated him the No. 3 overall quarterback, while Scout.com said he's the nation's seventh-best passer. Had his choice of which college to play at.

Over the course of his illustrious career at Tech, he set school records for career total offense (9,213 yards), career passing yards (7,017 yards), career rushing yards by a quarterback (2,196), career wins by a starting quarterback (34), career rushing touchdowns by a quarterback (23), and touchdown passes in a season (24).

http://www.collegiatetimes.com/stories/17529/snap-judgement-looking-back-on-tyrod-taylors-legacy

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by fryet:
Yes, I am serious, and I haven't even heard him talked about in the various websites. No, I don't watch college football.

From the various websites out there:

Tyrod Taylor will go down as one of the greatest and most electrifying quarterbacks ever to step foot on Virginia Tech’s campus.

When Tyrod graduated from Hampton (high school) in 2007, he was rated as the No. 1 dual-threat quarterback at Rivals.com. ESPN.com rated him the No. 3 overall quarterback, while Scout.com said he's the nation's seventh-best passer. Had his choice of which college to play at.

Over the course of his illustrious career at Tech, he set school records for career total offense (9,213 yards), career passing yards (7,017 yards), career rushing yards by a quarterback (2,196), career wins by a starting quarterback (34), career rushing touchdowns by a quarterback (23), and touchdown passes in a season (24).

http://www.collegiatetimes.com/stories/17529/snap-judgement-looking-back-on-tyrod-taylors-legacy

I see the Niners targeting Taylor in the 4th round..

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by fryet:
Yes, I am serious, and I haven't even heard him talked about in the various websites. No, I don't watch college football.

From the various websites out there:

Tyrod Taylor will go down as one of the greatest and most electrifying quarterbacks ever to step foot on Virginia Tech’s campus.

When Tyrod graduated from Hampton (high school) in 2007, he was rated as the No. 1 dual-threat quarterback at Rivals.com. ESPN.com rated him the No. 3 overall quarterback, while Scout.com said he's the nation's seventh-best passer. Had his choice of which college to play at.

Over the course of his illustrious career at Tech, he set school records for career total offense (9,213 yards), career passing yards (7,017 yards), career rushing yards by a quarterback (2,196), career wins by a starting quarterback (34), career rushing touchdowns by a quarterback (23), and touchdown passes in a season (24).

http://www.collegiatetimes.com/stories/17529/snap-judgement-looking-back-on-tyrod-taylors-legacy

I see the Niners targeting Taylor in the 4th round..

This would be a great pickup!

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Hmmm...nice job of having aldon smith listed as #11. Very astute of you. As for the "pickers", there sure were some phenomenal QB reaches, actually desperation picks. I had hoped we would have had a shot at Lockyer, but watching this draft has been fascinating. My guess? Harbaugh will get his Qb in late rds, but he really feels that because of our past incredibly poor coaching, this team is really a lot better than it has shown. I also think he is capable of up-coaching alex, and having seen Harbaugh's college performance, he may be right. After being neutral on alex for 4+ yrs, I finally thru in the towel...but maybe Harbaugh thinks there actually is something there. Whatever, i will be glued to radio and tv to see how aldon does. The reach "thing" is kinda exciting, with arms that could really be put to good use. Unfortunately i watched mizzou's O a lot more than their D, so I really am in the dark on Aldon. If he turns out to be a great pick, we DO have a for real GM and HC. Man , I hope so.

I know it would give fans a massive heartburn attack, but the Niners are probably best suited to bypass selecting a QB with their first three picks, drop one of their fourth rounders on a QB who is a project, and try to sign A. Smith for at least this year. Smith is more than likely going to play at a much higher level than any rookie this year, and with some coaching stability, could become a much better performer in the future. I think his best play is ahead, whether on this roster or another.

I guess I fall into the "let's let things settle this year" camp.

As for Aldon Smith, I was mildly surprised with the choice, but he was the best 3-4 OLB prospect on the board, and the team obviously did not feel great about Prince or Gabbert. He was not a massive reach, as some stated last night, for the 7th overall. I also do not see the Lawson and Maybin comparison, as many do on this board.

[ Edited by MadDog49er on Apr 29, 2011 at 09:02:59 ]

Originally posted by Gore_21:
Thanks for coming into the chat and answering questions.

No problem. I will probably be there for all 254 picks.

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Hmmm...nice job of having aldon smith listed as #11. Very astute of you. As for the "pickers", there sure were some phenomenal QB reaches, actually desperation picks. I had hoped we would have had a shot at Lockyer, but watching this draft has been fascinating. My guess? Harbaugh will get his Qb in late rds, but he really feels that because of our past incredibly poor coaching, this team is really a lot better than it has shown. I also think he is capable of up-coaching alex, and having seen Harbaugh's college performance, he may be right. After being neutral on alex for 4+ yrs, I finally thru in the towel...but maybe Harbaugh thinks there actually is something there. Whatever, i will be glued to radio and tv to see how aldon does. The reach "thing" is kinda exciting, with arms that could really be put to good use. Unfortunately i watched mizzou's O a lot more than their D, so I really am in the dark on Aldon. If he turns out to be a great pick, we DO have a for real GM and HC. Man , I hope so.

I know it would give fans a massive heartburn attack, but the Niners are probably best suited to bypass selecting a QB with their first three picks, drop one of their fourth rounders on a QB who is a project, and try to sign A. Smith for at least this year. Smith is more than likely going to play at a much higher level than any rookie this year, and with some coaching stability, could become a much better performer in the future. I think his best play is ahead, whether on this roster or another.

I guess I fall into the "let's let things settle this year" camp.

I think your Alex analysis is spot on...and yes, it will create some heartburn, but I just don't see them spending a 2nd/3rd round draft pick on a trade or a QB. I just don't see the relative value.