Kirk Cousins

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

If we trade for Kirk would we be able to afford Trent Williams, JV, Juice and KW

How so? He cost $21M this yr and $35M next yr....that's all new FGTD cash. They save like $6M this yr but tack on an extra $10M next yr and you cant restructure it because it's all GTD cash.

I forgot to add the question mark.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

If we trade for Kirk would we be able to afford Trent Williams, JV, Juice and KW

How so? He cost $21M this yr and $35M next yr....that's all new FGTD cash. They save like $6M this yr but tack on an extra $10M next yr and you cant restructure it because it's all GTD cash.

This sounds like a salary dump for Minnesota. I wonder if they'd take a very cheap deal draft compensation wise?

Originally posted by MoeJontana84:
while I agree, I don't really see this as a move that pushes us over the top. Maybe our results even out a bit more and we are consistently in the playoffs, for however long we want to keep him, but if the goal is a sure-fire upgrade, I'd explore other options. You can argue Cousins is better than Jimmy, but the only thing I see for sure is that he's durable. Being durable =/= making us perennial Superbowl contenders.

I think if you're acquiring Cousins, its not with the idea that he's your forever starter, you're bringing in a QB that can stay healthy to replace one that can't stay on the field while you continue to search for your long term franchise QB.

Just having a QB that can stay healthy would go a long way towards this team getting back into the playoffs. Its not like Cousins was a slouch, he's coming off a season where he threw for 4,200 yards, 35 TD's and completed 68% of his throws, having a better season than Garoppolo has ever had.

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-final-2020-offensive-line-rankings

Better than the Vikings', for sure.

The big leeway I'll give Stafford is his running game sucked a lot worse. But he's had weapons. Not like Golladay and Marvin Jones are scrubs.

Dude I'm talking about the overall roster for yrs, not just 2020. Lions have had the 30th ranked defense and ST over the life of Stafford's time in DET. He's had trash coaches and OCs. His run game is nowhere to be found.

Kirk has had Shanahan (s), Kubiak, Zimmer, McVay, lafleur, Stefanski etc He's had top running games and WR/TEs. It's not even close IMO.

Originally posted by Costanza:

Asked me 3 times? I don't recall having any conversations with you in the past.

I think Jimmy is much more of a winner than Kirk. I posted my preferences above...sticking with Jimmy was my last option this offseason.

Pursuing Kirk shows a total lack of vision though. If you're going to move off Jimmy, go big.

"Jimmy's a winner"

That's really all you got? Alright then. Glad you don't run this team.

P.S. Stafford's winning percentage sucks in comparison to Cousins and Jimmy. Didn't stop this place from banging the table for him last week. Same with Watson after going 4-12 last year.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
If we trade for Kirk would we be able to afford Trent Williams, JV, Juice and KW

How so? He cost $21M this yr and $35M next yr....that's all new FGTD cash. They save like $6M this yr but tack on an extra $10M next yr and you cant restructure it because it's all GTD cash.

I forgot to add the question mark.

oh lol.

well there's your answer. Can't

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
This sounds like a salary dump for Minnesota. I wonder if they'd take a very cheap deal draft compensation wise?

They'd have to give us picks lol. Not us giving up anything. Similar to DET/LA

We would love guys for sure in this situation. Unless they give Kirk an extension, which would be awful.

Originally posted by dmax:
I know right...gimmie kirk and lets air this offense out

You want that $56M and for sure losing guys this yr. That's all GTD cash too. New money.

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by Costanza:

Asked me 3 times? I don't recall having any conversations with you in the past.

I think Jimmy is much more of a winner than Kirk. I posted my preferences above...sticking with Jimmy was my last option this offseason.

Pursuing Kirk shows a total lack of vision though. If you're going to move off Jimmy, go big.

"Jimmy's a winner"

That's really all you got? Alright then. Glad you don't run this team.

Dude. Why are you so hostile? We're just here talking sports. It's not personal at all lol.

I didn't respond with much because I honestly don't feel like having a deep debate over Kirk freakin Cousins. If you want him, that's cool. Do you bro.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by dmax:
I know right...gimmie kirk and lets air this offense out

You want that $56M and for sure losing guys this yr. That's all GTD cash too. New money.

that guaranteed money for his contract plus the lowering salary cap this year is a big reason why I'm very against pursuing this trade. We sign this guy then Trent probably has to walk

Originally posted by Costanza:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by Costanza:

Asked me 3 times? I don't recall having any conversations with you in the past.

I think Jimmy is much more of a winner than Kirk. I posted my preferences above...sticking with Jimmy was my last option this offseason.

Pursuing Kirk shows a total lack of vision though. If you're going to move off Jimmy, go big.

"Jimmy's a winner"

That's really all you got? Alright then. Glad you don't run this team.

Dude. Why are you so hostile? We're just here talking sports. It's not personal at all lol.

I didn't respond with much because I honestly don't feel like having a deep debate over Kirk freakin Cousins. If you want him, that's cool. Do you bro.

I mean you're the one who's literally calling for Kyle to be fired over this lol. I wouldn't say I'm the one who's hostile.

I'm just saying don't be surprised if it happens and don't be surprised if it makes us better. That's it.

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by Costanza:

Asked me 3 times? I don't recall having any conversations with you in the past.

I think Jimmy is much more of a winner than Kirk. I posted my preferences above...sticking with Jimmy was my last option this offseason.

Pursuing Kirk shows a total lack of vision though. If you're going to move off Jimmy, go big.

"Jimmy's a winner"

That's really all you got? Alright then. Glad you don't run this team.

P.S. Stafford's winning percentage sucks too. Didn't stop this place from banging the table for him last week. Same with Watson after going 4-12 last year.

He's glass. You can't risk it with him at this point. They could get Kirk and draft a qb

cousins is 4xs the qb jimmy G will ever be. This shouldnt be up for debate

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by Costanza:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by Costanza:

Asked me 3 times? I don't recall having any conversations with you in the past.

I think Jimmy is much more of a winner than Kirk. I posted my preferences above...sticking with Jimmy was my last option this offseason.

Pursuing Kirk shows a total lack of vision though. If you're going to move off Jimmy, go big.

"Jimmy's a winner"

That's really all you got? Alright then. Glad you don't run this team.

Dude. Why are you so hostile? We're just here talking sports. It's not personal at all lol.

I didn't respond with much because I honestly don't feel like having a deep debate over Kirk freakin Cousins. If you want him, that's cool. Do you bro.

I mean you're the one who's literally calling for Kyle to be fired over this lol. I wouldn't say I'm the one who's hostile.

I'm just saying don't be surprised if it happens and don't be surprised if it makes us better. That's it.

Yeah I think he should be fired if he does this move. That has nothing to do with you. It's directed at Kyle Shanahan the coach.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
You want that $56M and for sure losing guys this yr. That's all GTD cash too. New money.

I want an upgrade, A durable qb that can sling the ball and make all the throws