Why do the Niners sit and watch the league get better?

Originally posted by AB83Rules:
I hate these type of posts, i dont like the idea of wasting money on players in this FA market, when half the players available and maybe a 3rd are average at the best.

Id rather not waste picks on McNabb and build the team thru the draft and get better with each pick.

McNabb is a quick fix and not a long term answer, he is 33 and on the downside of his career. Rather let Alex and David Carr try and take us, now of course its a debate to have, i like both, not sure either is the answer. But rather we give our guys a chance.

I'm not saying we should get McNabb, but what wrong with a "quick fix" if we can be legit contenders for the next 3 to 4 years with McNabb while we develop a young player behind him? I'll tell you what the mental block is for a lot of you, Alex Smith. Most people dont want McNabb because that would mean Smith's time is officially over as a Niner. A lot of us, myself included, have a lot emotionally invested in Smith. The thought of him going somewhere else and becoming something is more than most can bare. The funny thing is, if Smith just does ok or is just good next year, what do we do then? Obviously if he sucks we cut him. If he's great and we go deep into the playoffs we sign him. But, what if we just see more of the same? What does that contract look like if any? Is Carr the answer? Do we take a chance with another rookie? More importantly, will guys like Vernon and Willis want to resign if it looks like we haven't turned the corner? I can almost gaureentee signing McNabb would make signing the above mentioned that much easier. Besides, who's to say not signing McNabb gives a better chance of having a quality starter for the next decade? If anything, McNabb gives us a chance to groom the next starter so he is prepared for the next decade. Again, just some thoughts.


BTW, signing a few free agents doesn't mean we aren't building through the draft. Unless your definition of building through the draft means no more than 2 or 3 starters are FA. If it is, I would say good luck and have fun watching another decade of subpar football.


P.S : Quick Fix = 1 year wonder. Two to four years in the NFL is a solid contribution and longer than the average shelf life of an NFL player.

[ Edited by Oakland-Niner on Mar 27, 2010 at 12:43:27 ]

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by AB83Rules:
I hate these type of posts, i dont like the idea of wasting money on players in this FA market, when half the players available and maybe a 3rd are average at the best.

Id rather not waste picks on McNabb and build the team thru the draft and get better with each pick.

McNabb is a quick fix and not a long term answer, he is 33 and on the downside of his career. Rather let Alex and David Carr try and take us, now of course its a debate to have, i like both, not sure either is the answer. But rather we give our guys a chance.

I'm not saying we should get McNabb, but what wrong with a "quick fix" if we can be legit contenders for the next 3 to 4 years with McNabb while we develop a young player behind him? I'll tell you what the mental block is for a lot of you, Alex Smith. Most people dont want McNabb because that would mean Smith's time is officially over as a Niner. A lot of us, myself included, have a lot emotionally invested in Smith. The thought of him going somewhere else and becoming something is more than most can bare. The funny thing is, if Smith just does ok or is just good next year, what do we do then? Obviously if he sucks we cut him. If he's great and we go deep into the playoffs we sign him. But, what if we just see more of the same? What does that contract look like if any? Is Carr the answer? Do we take a chance with another rookie? More importantly, will guys like Vernon and Willis want to resign if it looks like we haven't turned the corner? I can almost gaureentee signing McNabb would make signing the above mentioned that much easier. Besides, who's to say not signing McNabb gives a better chance of having a quality starter for the next decade? If anything, McNabb gives us a chance to groom the next starter so he is prepared for the next decade. Again, just some thoughts.


BTW, signing a few free agents doesn't mean we aren't building through the draft. Unless your definition of building through the draft means no more than 2 or 3 starters are FA. If it is, I would say good luck and have fun watching another decade of subpar football.


P.S : Quick Fix = 1 year wonder. Two to four years in the NFL is a solid contribution and longer than the average shelf life of an NFL player.

i dont think anyone has emotional ties to Smith, Mcnabb would be a waste because when he chokes he chokes. How well will he perform with our OLine? the 49ers should of beat the eagles but turnovers happen (fumble,muff punt).

And your grooming a younger player theory, You think he will want to stay more than a year here? yeah right... then we will be back in QB hell

No one is saying we do a Redskins and overhaul 3-4 positions by FA signings. For instance, by not looking to improve the QB position for the last 3-4 years, when you know your current QB is not the answer is pure foolery and has set this team back a few years by this blind faith in Alex Smith. Skip all the excuses about OC, and O line. Smith still hasnt learned to plant his feet and throw which is why his accuracy sucks. He only rolls to his right side and there are other bad habits he has that help us come to this conclusion.There is a message sent to fans and the rest of the league when a team that has a QB the caliber of Alex Smith, who we all know deep down inside can't win a big game if his life depended on it, yet we fool ourselves into believing in such a mediocre talent.

The idea of even allowing themselves to be a pawn in the Kurt Warner chess game last year to "drive up the price" as they tried to spin it, was embarrassing to say the least. If they weren't serious about making a move to sign him, why would you go to the lengths you did if all they were getting out of it was to essentially be a way for Warner, a guy who they had nothing invested in, get more money and also to only look like a bunch of b!tches when the smoke cleared? Is that what this once pride franchise has become? A pawn for others?

Its a philosophy that has crept into this team. No one is saying throw money at guys every year, but when you can say you best 'go for it" FA signing in recent years, where you spent big money on a guy who was a top flight FA was Nate Clements, you got to do better. That aint "going for it". That's spending bad money and if that signing is why they get cold feet when its time to take out the check book by the way he turned out, we're all fvcked. Don't let one or two bad signings prevent you from trying to get other FA's. Get better talent evaluators or scouts.

O Line help we can get in the draft in addition to possibly signing Chester Pitts, QB we need now and pass rush help. We didn't even attempt to talk to Peppers, who would have helped with our pass rush issues. He signed for HUGE money, but we didn't even get into the conversation. That's a bad sign. You hope to build through the draft, but when you cant, you HAVE TO throw some serious money at the problem and doing that every other year is not bad when its evident your in need.

All I'm saying is, give me the fvcking illusion your trying to get these big names. Sad to say, but what keeps Raider fans as hungry and enthusiastic as they are is that Al Davis goes for the bigger names and even if they dont get the player, you at least know an attempt was made. This aint the '80's where mother fvckers are running to SF to win a Super Bowl anymore. These ba$tard# better get creative in their attempts to lure talent here of else we are about to be singing this same sad song as the Niners go 8-8 and barely miss the playoffs because we didnt want to spend money, we wanted to draft our future.

[ Edited by 602_JamestownAve on Mar 27, 2010 at 13:54:42 ]

Cause we actually believe a QB with horrible post-snap posturing/poise (under center), crooked release due to the right leg being clutched, and poor timing/zero accuracy on vertical passes can actually lead us to the playoffs.

Originally posted by SnakePlissken:
Cause we actually believe a QB with horrible post-snap posturing/poise (under center), crooked release due to the right leg being clutched, and poor timing/zero accuracy on vertical passes can actually lead us to the playoffs.

Hey we were one drop TD away last year

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by AB83Rules:
I hate these type of posts, i dont like the idea of wasting money on players in this FA market, when half the players available and maybe a 3rd are average at the best.

Id rather not waste picks on McNabb and build the team thru the draft and get better with each pick.

McNabb is a quick fix and not a long term answer, he is 33 and on the downside of his career. Rather let Alex and David Carr try and take us, now of course its a debate to have, i like both, not sure either is the answer. But rather we give our guys a chance.

I'm not saying we should get McNabb, but what wrong with a "quick fix" if we can be legit contenders for the next 3 to 4 years with McNabb while we develop a young player behind him? I'll tell you what the mental block is for a lot of you, Alex Smith. Most people dont want McNabb because that would mean Smith's time is officially over as a Niner. A lot of us, myself included, have a lot emotionally invested in Smith. The thought of him going somewhere else and becoming something is more than most can bare. The funny thing is, if Smith just does ok or is just good next year, what do we do then? Obviously if he sucks we cut him. If he's great and we go deep into the playoffs we sign him. But, what if we just see more of the same? What does that contract look like if any? Is Carr the answer? Do we take a chance with another rookie? More importantly, will guys like Vernon and Willis want to resign if it looks like we haven't turned the corner? I can almost gaureentee signing McNabb would make signing the above mentioned that much easier. Besides, who's to say not signing McNabb gives a better chance of having a quality starter for the next decade? If anything, McNabb gives us a chance to groom the next starter so he is prepared for the next decade. Again, just some thoughts.


BTW, signing a few free agents doesn't mean we aren't building through the draft. Unless your definition of building through the draft means no more than 2 or 3 starters are FA. If it is, I would say good luck and have fun watching another decade of subpar football.


P.S : Quick Fix = 1 year wonder. Two to four years in the NFL is a solid contribution and longer than the average shelf life of an NFL player.

i dont think anyone has emotional ties to Smith, Mcnabb would be a waste because when he chokes he chokes. How well will he perform with our OLine? the 49ers should of beat the eagles but turnovers happen (fumble,muff punt).

And your grooming a younger player theory, You think he will want to stay more than a year here? yeah right... then we will be back in QB hell

Originally posted by AB83Rules:
I hate these type of posts, i dont like the idea of wasting money on players in this FA market, when half the players available and maybe a 3rd are average at the best.

Id rather not waste picks on McNabb and build the team thru the draft and get better with each pick.

McNabb is a quick fix and not a long term answer, he is 33 and on the downside of his career. Rather let Alex and David Carr try and take us, now of course its a debate to have, i like both, not sure either is the answer. But rather we give our guys a chance.

I agree not wasting picks on FA, but.............. if McNabb could be had for a 2nd round pick , you can't tell me that Alex Smith and david carr can get the job done. They are terrible failures at the most important football position. I'd grab McNabb and groom someone via the draft behind him. To hear the 49ers FO saying Alex is the man is really sketchy. I'd take McNabb or Kolb from the eagles if available.

It seems sometimes like there are bargain deals to be had, like Randy Moss for a 4th for example, where we dont even show interest. It gets kind of annoying when you see good teams like the Patriots, Eagles and Cowboys pulling the trigger on those type of moves while we sit and watch from the sidelines.

Originally posted by silkyjohnson:
It seems sometimes like there are bargain deals to be had, like Randy Moss for a 4th for example, where we dont even show interest. It gets kind of annoying when you see good teams like the Patriots, Eagles and Cowboys pulling the trigger on those type of moves while we sit and watch from the sidelines.

Randy Moss for a 4th in 2007 could never have happened. He had one year left on his deal and there's no way in hell he was going to stay in the Bay Area given the toxic relationship he had with the Bay Area media after quitting on the Raiders. It's no wonder we didn't show any interest.

Originally posted by mug0mug:

Originally posted by E-49er:
The niners are taking the most passive approach to free agency in years. I am one that truly believes if you are not getting better , than you are getting worse. The Niners have done very little to get better this offseason so far. There are many free agents that can help improve this team both restricted and unrestricted. Our OL is a problem, we all know that but what have they done to improve it so far? They brought in Pitts who is racking up some frequent flyer miles but no one else. Why? There were some pretty good lineman available and there are also some still out there that can help the Niners. The niners need to do something because if everyone is moving forward and the niners stand still. They will end up in the back of the line. Arizona and Seattle are not just gonna roll over and hand the division to us just because we think its our turn!

Everyone (other than the Bears b/c they don't have any 1st or 2nd round picks) are taking a more passive approach than normal. I just don't see where everyone is getting so much better. At the same time, I don't agree that personnel moves are the only way to get better. Consistency and cohesion with mild personnel infusions have proven to be greater dictators of progress toward success than anything else. But still, what great Olineman were there that we passed on?

I know we are not the only ones taking a more passive approach, however free agency gives us the oppurtunity to fill some holes in places like the o-line, safety, and other positions so we can truly take best player available in the draft. There have been o-lineman out there available as restricted free agents available that can help this team.Andrews, Jean-Gilles,Gaither,Mike Gandy, Jeromey Clary and Jon Runyun could all help this teams OL. I never said they were the greatest OL I said pretty good lineman that can help this team. Regardless other teams waiting around have descent o-lineman and the niners cant expect to improve from coaching alone on the olineman. they cant afford to. they need to bring in some veterans that even though they are older can still perform for a couple of years so we can be more flexible in drafting and are not locked into having to rely on 2 rookie offensive lineman to make the playoffs.

Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:

Originally posted by silkyjohnson:
It seems sometimes like there are bargain deals to be had, like Randy Moss for a 4th for example, where we dont even show interest. It gets kind of annoying when you see good teams like the Patriots, Eagles and Cowboys pulling the trigger on those type of moves while we sit and watch from the sidelines.

Randy Moss for a 4th in 2007 could never have happened. He had one year left on his deal and there's no way in hell he was going to stay in the Bay Area given the toxic relationship he had with the Bay Area media after quitting on the Raiders. It's no wonder we didn't show any interest.

Moss was just an example. There have been plenty of other similar bargains where teams don't hesitate to make a move, while we don't even show the slightest of interest.

Originally posted by bracus:

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Originally posted by bracus:

Originally posted by valrod33:
what teams have gotten better

Vikings were 1 rule change away from Superbowl.
Patriots break passing records and go to Superbowl.
Jets got a 1000 yd WR and Future ProBowler IMO.

I just want our name to be in the conversation, and have it not be from people on this board. You know what I mean? Every single damn time, it's were not interested.

If he does go to Ari. This can really bite us in the @$$. Especially if Alex doesn't pan out.

That didn't answer the question. He said what teams got better, and you pointed out 3 insignificant points.


Playing by your logic, we were 1 miracle play from beating the Vikes, Patriots didn't break any passing records last season and didn't go to a SB, and Crabtree has better hands and looks to be just as productive as Edwards.


So again, what teams got better?

Good point, Tavaris Jackson would've taken them to the NFC championship. Kellen Clemens to Jerico Cotchery would have gotten them a 9-7 record. Welker or Stallworth would have caught all those TD passes. You sound like your fine being mediocre. Ok, have fun with that.

LOL wtf are you talking about?????

See Porter, Joey......

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Originally posted by bracus:

Originally posted by valrod33:
what teams have gotten better

Vikings were 1 rule change away from Superbowl.
Patriots break passing records and go to Superbowl.
Jets got a 1000 yd WR and Future ProBowler IMO.

I just want our name to be in the conversation, and have it not be from people on this board. You know what I mean? Every single damn time, it's were not interested.

If he does go to Ari. This can really bite us in the @$$. Especially if Alex doesn't pan out.

That didn't answer the question. He said what teams got better, and you pointed out 3 insignificant points.


Playing by your logic, we were 1 miracle play from beating the Vikes, Patriots didn't break any passing records last season and didn't go to a SB, and Crabtree has better hands and looks to be just as productive as Edwards.


So again, what teams got better?

what teams have gotten better from FA?

New Orleans is not in the superbowl with out brees

Vikes are not in the championship game with out Farve

Cards are not in the superbowl with out Warner


Targeting a QB like Mcnabb IS NOT a bad idea.

He IS going to make some team better.

The 49ers are a team with a ? at QB.

They are more then likely GOING to have to find thier next Franchise QB(if nate davis is not hte guy)

Why NOT have a QB Like Mcnabb run the show as the NEXT rookie QB is brought up correctly.

Your not just THROWING a Late first high second round pick out JUST to get Mcnabb.

Your Throwing out a Top 40ish pick to HELP control the bust factor of your NEW heir apparent.


What I would like to see is


49ers Trade down from 13 Roll up some draft picks

Grab Thier tackle at 16

use The AMMO they have from the 13 pick and

Pick up Tebow

Use some more of the ammo And get Philly thier 40ish Pick and Get Mcnabb

Use The rest of the Ammo to pick up BEST and Give Mcnabb his dump off player.


Run Mcnabb at QB for the next 4 seasons then Turn it over to Tebow

[ Edited by Dshearn on Mar 27, 2010 at 21:05:14 ]

^^^There arent any qb's like Brees or Warner available right now

Warner was last season and we went after him.

Trading for Mcnabb now, with only 1 year left on his contract would not help the 49ers... unless he signs an extension.

Mcnabb will probably play out the year and then leave to the Vikings