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Originally posted by ImaMod:
Free Agency
-Resign Franklin
-Sign OJ Atogwe
-Cut Roman (Give Reggie Smith the playing time Roman had)
-Cut Battle
-Trade or cut Michael Lewis (Since we now have Atogwe)
Draft
1a. Trent Williams/ any great OT that could start right away
1b. Mike Iupati or any good guard that could start right away
2. Javier Arenas (Great PR/KR and can play nickel back)
3. Anybody fast
So we: Get OJ Atogwe, keep Franklin, get a NFL ready OT and OG, a great returner, cut Roman and Battle.
(especially without Warner in the division.)
Originally posted by TexasNiner:
My even semi-realistic dream off-season:
Sign: Julius Peppers. That's it as far as big names. Given that it doesn't look like there will be a new CBA, no other big names that fit needs will be available. I'd love an upgrade via trade at QB, KR or OL, but I don't see the names out there that will get it done.
Draft Iupati and either Cambell, Davis,Bulaga or Williams in the first round. Depending on if a OT who would have been top ten falls to 13 and if we think Iupati will be there at 17. If not, Iupati at 13, and whichever one is left at 17.
Second round, best pass rusher who falls. Anyone of the following: Hughes, Kindle, Hardy.
Third round: kick returner. If a third rounder plus a player or a late pick will get the deal done, then trade for Cribbs. If not, then grab McCluster or Javier Areneas.
Fourth round: Myron Rolle S. Getting more and more impressed with this kid and getting him in the 4th would be a steal and would let us focus on positions of higher need earlier on.
Fifth round: QB. Hill ISN'T the future. Smith MIGHT be. Davis MIGHT be, so if we don't land a backup who would challenge Smith for the job in the even he struggles in FA, I'd like another talented QB on the roster who could have an option to fight for the job in the future. If any of the 3-4th round type guys fall for any reason (McCoy, Snead, Pike, Robinson, LeFevour), I'd love to snag one here. And at least ONE is likely to fall for some reason. Bad combine, bad measureable, bad pro-day, injury between now and then, whatever.
6th round: More OT. Maybe Ciron Black, he was considered a first day pick by some last year, but came back for his senior year and had a rough go of it. Could be a steal late. Or maybe a guy like Adam Ulatoski who was an underrated player at Texas, but is a very tough kid.
7th round: Doesn't matter much, but I'd either take a flyer on someone who falls for "off field" or personality issues or snag a FB. It's always a crapshoot pick this late in the draft. Maybe Steffon Johnson, the USC RB who had that weightlifting accident. He had a pretty solid JR year in a crowed backfield. Without that kind of competition (and without the accident), he might have been 3rd-4th round kind of talent. I certainly trust USC to recruit RBs with NFL type potential.
And REALLY, if I had a DREAM off season, we would draft Iupati with our 17th. Trade our 13th back to a team with a later first round pick (like the Pats) and take a OT with the 21st (or so depending on the team we traded with) pick and then ALSO pick up Mt. Cody with our other second round pick. (Trading the 13th for the first and second round picks of a team around pick 21 or so is almost an exactly fair trade according to the draft value chart.)
Originally posted by jaghetersofie:Originally posted by TexasNiner:
My even semi-realistic dream off-season:
Sign: Julius Peppers. That's it as far as big names. Given that it doesn't look like there will be a new CBA, no other big names that fit needs will be available. I'd love an upgrade via trade at QB, KR or OL, but I don't see the names out there that will get it done.
Draft Iupati and either Cambell, Davis,Bulaga or Williams in the first round. Depending on if a OT who would have been top ten falls to 13 and if we think Iupati will be there at 17. If not, Iupati at 13, and whichever one is left at 17.
Second round, best pass rusher who falls. Anyone of the following: Hughes, Kindle, Hardy.
Third round: kick returner. If a third rounder plus a player or a late pick will get the deal done, then trade for Cribbs. If not, then grab McCluster or Javier Areneas.
Fourth round: Myron Rolle S. Getting more and more impressed with this kid and getting him in the 4th would be a steal and would let us focus on positions of higher need earlier on.
Fifth round: QB. Hill ISN'T the future. Smith MIGHT be. Davis MIGHT be, so if we don't land a backup who would challenge Smith for the job in the even he struggles in FA, I'd like another talented QB on the roster who could have an option to fight for the job in the future. If any of the 3-4th round type guys fall for any reason (McCoy, Snead, Pike, Robinson, LeFevour), I'd love to snag one here. And at least ONE is likely to fall for some reason. Bad combine, bad measureable, bad pro-day, injury between now and then, whatever.
6th round: More OT. Maybe Ciron Black, he was considered a first day pick by some last year, but came back for his senior year and had a rough go of it. Could be a steal late. Or maybe a guy like Adam Ulatoski who was an underrated player at Texas, but is a very tough kid.
7th round: Doesn't matter much, but I'd either take a flyer on someone who falls for "off field" or personality issues or snag a FB. It's always a crapshoot pick this late in the draft. Maybe Steffon Johnson, the USC RB who had that weightlifting accident. He had a pretty solid JR year in a crowed backfield. Without that kind of competition (and without the accident), he might have been 3rd-4th round kind of talent. I certainly trust USC to recruit RBs with NFL type potential.
And REALLY, if I had a DREAM off season, we would draft Iupati with our 17th. Trade our 13th back to a team with a later first round pick (like the Pats) and take a OT with the 21st (or so depending on the team we traded with) pick and then ALSO pick up Mt. Cody with our other second round pick. (Trading the 13th for the first and second round picks of a team around pick 21 or so is almost an exactly fair trade according to the draft value chart.)
I'd be cool with that but I'm not sure we need another DT. We have Franklin and Balmer behind him, with RJF still developing. Not that they have Cody's potential but he has injury concerns (for the future) and I'm not sure DT is a huge area of need; especially not with Franklin playing the way he is. If we can get him in the 2nd and get McCluster in the 3rd though, I wouldn't mind that one bit. It'd allow Balmer to move to DE where I think he'd be a much better player than at DT.
I also don't think we need to spend two first round picks on the OL in this draft. For me, a G in the first round is a wasted pick no matter who it is. There is so much other talent available that early that is harder to come by in later rounds. We need a better RT and could use an upgrade at G but lets not get tunnel vision with this draft. We can get a starting-caliber Guard in FA if we decide not to keep Baas. If we keep Baas though I think he'll have an extremely good 2010 season. He is so huge and so powerful, but he's got quick feet in the open field. IMO he's the perfect Guard for screens and if we get a scat back Baas could be a huge contributor in the screen game.
I strongly agree that we need an experienced pass rushing threat. I'm not sure the 49ers want to spend Peppers type money with VD and BamBam coming up for extensions soon. Also, they're bringing in two first round picks AND tagging Franklin. That's a lot of money to spend in one off-season. I'd love to see Peppers here I just don't think this organization is willing to spend that kind of money.
All-in-all your dream off-season works for me
btw I REALLY like your draft-day trade scenarios. I'd love to see us trade either that first or second first-rounder (depending on who's still on the board) for a mid 20's pick and a 3rd or 4th. Then we take that 3rd or 4th and package it with another late pick (maybe 5-6 rounder) for Cribbs/Porter. Might have to throw something in to sweeten the deal but it'd be worth it.
Originally posted by jaghetersofie:Originally posted by ImaMod:
Free Agency
-Resign Franklin
-Sign OJ Atogwe
-Cut Roman (Give Reggie Smith the playing time Roman had)
-Cut Battle
-Trade or cut Michael Lewis (Since we now have Atogwe)
Draft
1a. Trent Williams/ any great OT that could start right away
1b. Mike Iupati or any good guard that could start right away
2. Javier Arenas (Great PR/KR and can play nickel back)
3. Anybody fast
So we: Get OJ Atogwe, keep Franklin, get a NFL ready OT and OG, a great returner, cut Roman and Battle.
I like it. Not sure I'd take a G with that high of a pick. This draft is so deep that I can't agree with taking a Guard that early, especially since it isn't the biggest area of need. I also wouldn't sign Atogwe only because he's getting up there in age (for a SS in our scheme) and we need a long-term replacement for Lewis.
My Mock Off-Season Version 1.0
1a - Best Tackle available. I don't care what his name is or where he's from. UNLESS Berry/Haden fall. It's highly unlikely but if they fall it's a no-brainer on the Crabtree level.
1b - If we can I'd like to see us trade this back 5 or 6 slots and pick up an extra 3rd or 4th. Then with an early-mid 20's pick we take Taylor Mays. This one is tricky. There are so many talented players available at this pick but we have a lot of young developing talent at those positions (OLB/DE/G). When I see Taylor Mays play I see a younger Michael Lewis with an attitude. Manusky would be drooling about how to use this guy in blitzes and he'd be a fierce hitter who would be the attitude of our defense for the next decade. His main weakness is coverage but I think with him and Goldson patrolling the middle, their intimidation almost adds an extra element of coverage. To me, Goldson/Mays = Dawkins/Lewis in 2 years.
If we take Berry/Haden with the first than this pick goes to the best Tackle available.
2 - Dexter McCluster. PR/KR/3RB/Home-Run Threat. Unless somebody falls dramatically, we need to pick him up while we can. I don't see him making it out of the 3rd round and I'd put money on him going in the 2nd based on what Chris Johnson did this year and what McC will do at the combine. He's a Chris Johnson type (he won't be as good) who will be a threat to get 15-20 yards a play if not go all the way. He also solves the PR/KR problem. For the record I don't think he's a 2nd round talent but if we want him, we'll have to get him early.
I like Arenas but he doesn't have next level speed. He will at best be a #2 corner and we've already got a few guys like that (Spencer, Brown). If we need a PR/KR I'd rather have McC due to his explosiveness.
3rd on - I trust Scotty to do his thing in the late rounds, especially in a draft this deep.
Free Agency - I like everything you said except for Otogwe since we got Mays.
I'd go pick up the best G we can if we have some money available. If not, I'm fine with our O-line the way it is (with the new RT).
Trade -
I might get some heat for this but I trade Manny Lawson + 4th or 5th round pick for Joey Porter. Our defense got to the quarterback this year but we still don't have that one guy who can get to the QB at will in big situations. Porter will also come on the cheap (compared to other elite pass rushers). Brooks is good but he's still young and extremely raw. It seems to me as though he's still relying heavily on his physical skills but once he gets the mental aspect of the position he will be devastating. Who better to learn the modern OLB position from than Joey Porter? Bring Brooks in on 3rds with Porter/Haralson/Smith, that's a deadly pass-rush.
I like Lawson but he isn't and never will be Joey Porter. I also think Brooks' ceiling is far higher than Lawson's. Porter and Taylor Mays take our D from really good to great.
QB - Smith
RB - Gore/McC/Coffee
WR - Crabs/Morgan/Jones
TE - Davis
LT - Staley
LG - Baas (OR best G in FA)
C - Heitmann
RG - Rachal
RT - BTA
DE - Smith
DT - Franklin
DE - Sopoaga
OLB - Haralson/Brooks/Briggs
OLB - Porter/Brooks/Briggs
MLB - Willis/Spikes/McK
CB - Clements/Spencer/Brown/Harris(If Harris retires I'd like to see us bring Bly or Strickland back for depth)
FS - Goldson
SS - Mays
Our defense is top 5 and our offense is solid with weapons out the wazoo. Playoffs would be guaranteed
What you think Fail_Streak?.
Originally posted by foreign49er:Originally posted by jaghetersofie:Originally posted by TexasNiner:
My even semi-realistic dream off-season:
Sign: Julius Peppers. That's it as far as big names. Given that it doesn't look like there will be a new CBA, no other big names that fit needs will be available. I'd love an upgrade via trade at QB, KR or OL, but I don't see the names out there that will get it done.
Draft Iupati and either Cambell, Davis,Bulaga or Williams in the first round. Depending on if a OT who would have been top ten falls to 13 and if we think Iupati will be there at 17. If not, Iupati at 13, and whichever one is left at 17.
Second round, best pass rusher who falls. Anyone of the following: Hughes, Kindle, Hardy.
Third round: kick returner. If a third rounder plus a player or a late pick will get the deal done, then trade for Cribbs. If not, then grab McCluster or Javier Areneas.
Fourth round: Myron Rolle S. Getting more and more impressed with this kid and getting him in the 4th would be a steal and would let us focus on positions of higher need earlier on.
Fifth round: QB. Hill ISN'T the future. Smith MIGHT be. Davis MIGHT be, so if we don't land a backup who would challenge Smith for the job in the even he struggles in FA, I'd like another talented QB on the roster who could have an option to fight for the job in the future. If any of the 3-4th round type guys fall for any reason (McCoy, Snead, Pike, Robinson, LeFevour), I'd love to snag one here. And at least ONE is likely to fall for some reason. Bad combine, bad measureable, bad pro-day, injury between now and then, whatever.
6th round: More OT. Maybe Ciron Black, he was considered a first day pick by some last year, but came back for his senior year and had a rough go of it. Could be a steal late. Or maybe a guy like Adam Ulatoski who was an underrated player at Texas, but is a very tough kid.
7th round: Doesn't matter much, but I'd either take a flyer on someone who falls for "off field" or personality issues or snag a FB. It's always a crapshoot pick this late in the draft. Maybe Steffon Johnson, the USC RB who had that weightlifting accident. He had a pretty solid JR year in a crowed backfield. Without that kind of competition (and without the accident), he might have been 3rd-4th round kind of talent. I certainly trust USC to recruit RBs with NFL type potential.
And REALLY, if I had a DREAM off season, we would draft Iupati with our 17th. Trade our 13th back to a team with a later first round pick (like the Pats) and take a OT with the 21st (or so depending on the team we traded with) pick and then ALSO pick up Mt. Cody with our other second round pick. (Trading the 13th for the first and second round picks of a team around pick 21 or so is almost an exactly fair trade according to the draft value chart.)
I'd be cool with that but I'm not sure we need another DT. We have Franklin and Balmer behind him, with RJF still developing. Not that they have Cody's potential but he has injury concerns (for the future) and I'm not sure DT is a huge area of need; especially not with Franklin playing the way he is. If we can get him in the 2nd and get McCluster in the 3rd though, I wouldn't mind that one bit. It'd allow Balmer to move to DE where I think he'd be a much better player than at DT.
I also don't think we need to spend two first round picks on the OL in this draft. For me, a G in the first round is a wasted pick no matter who it is. There is so much other talent available that early that is harder to come by in later rounds. We need a better RT and could use an upgrade at G but lets not get tunnel vision with this draft. We can get a starting-caliber Guard in FA if we decide not to keep Baas. If we keep Baas though I think he'll have an extremely good 2010 season. He is so huge and so powerful, but he's got quick feet in the open field. IMO he's the perfect Guard for screens and if we get a scat back Baas could be a huge contributor in the screen game.
I strongly agree that we need an experienced pass rushing threat. I'm not sure the 49ers want to spend Peppers type money with VD and BamBam coming up for extensions soon. Also, they're bringing in two first round picks AND tagging Franklin. That's a lot of money to spend in one off-season. I'd love to see Peppers here I just don't think this organization is willing to spend that kind of money.
All-in-all your dream off-season works for me
btw I REALLY like your draft-day trade scenarios. I'd love to see us trade either that first or second first-rounder (depending on who's still on the board) for a mid 20's pick and a 3rd or 4th. Then we take that 3rd or 4th and package it with another late pick (maybe 5-6 rounder) for Cribbs/Porter. Might have to throw something in to sweeten the deal but it'd be worth it.
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Originally posted by Kolohe:
9ers trade Shaun Hill and a 5th round pick for Matt Moore.
Free Agency
Bring Terrell Owens back home.
Sign Vince Wilfork and move Abrayo Franklin over to the left-side, making Sopoaga a rotational player.
NFL Draft
1a. Eric Berry
1b. Brandon Graham
2nd. Vladimir Ducasse
3rd. Javier Arenas
4th. John Jerry
5th. Traded to Carolina for Matt Moore
6th. O'Brien Schofield
7th. Cameron Sheffield
7th comp pick. Taylor Price
Originally posted by ImaMod:Originally posted by foreign49er:Originally posted by jaghetersofie:Originally posted by TexasNiner:
My even semi-realistic dream off-season:
Sign: Julius Peppers. That's it as far as big names. Given that it doesn't look like there will be a new CBA, no other big names that fit needs will be available. I'd love an upgrade via trade at QB, KR or OL, but I don't see the names out there that will get it done.
Draft Iupati and either Cambell, Davis,Bulaga or Williams in the first round. Depending on if a OT who would have been top ten falls to 13 and if we think Iupati will be there at 17. If not, Iupati at 13, and whichever one is left at 17.
Second round, best pass rusher who falls. Anyone of the following: Hughes, Kindle, Hardy.
Third round: kick returner. If a third rounder plus a player or a late pick will get the deal done, then trade for Cribbs. If not, then grab McCluster or Javier Areneas.
Fourth round: Myron Rolle S. Getting more and more impressed with this kid and getting him in the 4th would be a steal and would let us focus on positions of higher need earlier on.
Fifth round: QB. Hill ISN'T the future. Smith MIGHT be. Davis MIGHT be, so if we don't land a backup who would challenge Smith for the job in the even he struggles in FA, I'd like another talented QB on the roster who could have an option to fight for the job in the future. If any of the 3-4th round type guys fall for any reason (McCoy, Snead, Pike, Robinson, LeFevour), I'd love to snag one here. And at least ONE is likely to fall for some reason. Bad combine, bad measureable, bad pro-day, injury between now and then, whatever.
6th round: More OT. Maybe Ciron Black, he was considered a first day pick by some last year, but came back for his senior year and had a rough go of it. Could be a steal late. Or maybe a guy like Adam Ulatoski who was an underrated player at Texas, but is a very tough kid.
7th round: Doesn't matter much, but I'd either take a flyer on someone who falls for "off field" or personality issues or snag a FB. It's always a crapshoot pick this late in the draft. Maybe Steffon Johnson, the USC RB who had that weightlifting accident. He had a pretty solid JR year in a crowed backfield. Without that kind of competition (and without the accident), he might have been 3rd-4th round kind of talent. I certainly trust USC to recruit RBs with NFL type potential.
And REALLY, if I had a DREAM off season, we would draft Iupati with our 17th. Trade our 13th back to a team with a later first round pick (like the Pats) and take a OT with the 21st (or so depending on the team we traded with) pick and then ALSO pick up Mt. Cody with our other second round pick. (Trading the 13th for the first and second round picks of a team around pick 21 or so is almost an exactly fair trade according to the draft value chart.)
I'd be cool with that but I'm not sure we need another DT. We have Franklin and Balmer behind him, with RJF still developing. Not that they have Cody's potential but he has injury concerns (for the future) and I'm not sure DT is a huge area of need; especially not with Franklin playing the way he is. If we can get him in the 2nd and get McCluster in the 3rd though, I wouldn't mind that one bit. It'd allow Balmer to move to DE where I think he'd be a much better player than at DT.
I also don't think we need to spend two first round picks on the OL in this draft. For me, a G in the first round is a wasted pick no matter who it is. There is so much other talent available that early that is harder to come by in later rounds. We need a better RT and could use an upgrade at G but lets not get tunnel vision with this draft. We can get a starting-caliber Guard in FA if we decide not to keep Baas. If we keep Baas though I think he'll have an extremely good 2010 season. He is so huge and so powerful, but he's got quick feet in the open field. IMO he's the perfect Guard for screens and if we get a scat back Baas could be a huge contributor in the screen game.
I strongly agree that we need an experienced pass rushing threat. I'm not sure the 49ers want to spend Peppers type money with VD and BamBam coming up for extensions soon. Also, they're bringing in two first round picks AND tagging Franklin. That's a lot of money to spend in one off-season. I'd love to see Peppers here I just don't think this organization is willing to spend that kind of money.
All-in-all your dream off-season works for me
btw I REALLY like your draft-day trade scenarios. I'd love to see us trade either that first or second first-rounder (depending on who's still on the board) for a mid 20's pick and a 3rd or 4th. Then we take that 3rd or 4th and package it with another late pick (maybe 5-6 rounder) for Cribbs/Porter. Might have to throw something in to sweeten the deal but it'd be worth it.
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