Originally posted by NinerGM:
Originally posted by foreign49er:
Originally posted by NinerGM:
Originally posted by foreign49er:
I'm hearing a lot of "2 WR sets". :(
The team invested two 1sts on the OL and another in a big RB. Gore is the best player on offense. Why wouldn't you see a lot of 2 WR sets?
I don't care if they have a lot of 1 WR sets as long as they win. I think winning is more important to me than how they win.
They also have a lot of depth at WR in a passing league. It'd be nice to see them put somebody in the slot to pick up 3-4 yards through the air if we need it. I just don't want to see RUN-RUN-PASS-PUNT again.
I would also like to see them win, imo the reason they lost a few games last season was that they went to 3-4WR sets too late in the game. We seemed to open it up when we were down and magically score 14 points. I'd like to see our coaching staff work on that aspect of our offense because it can be a huge contrast to our bruising run game. Otherwise, our offense becomes predictable and easy to stop imo.
(siiiiigh) When did you see run run pass punt? Name the game please - after Smith was the QB and Crabtree was starting. I really would like someone to point out specifics rather than regurgitate "talking points." What few games were lost using the run run pass punt offense? Please name the games? Predictable you say? People immediately assume the reason there was a problem with the offense was ALWAYS due to play-calling. If that's so why do we invest in QB protection? If there was a serious issue with play-calling and the sole reason for offensive ineptitude, there would have been another change in coordinators, not drafting of 2 OLs. So I guess Smith being new to the system and his primary WR missing an entire training camp had nothing to do with the predictability of the offense? I understand what you're trying to say but in the list of challenges that negatively affected this offense play-calling comes at least THIRD on the list. EASILY.
(1) You can't "open up the offense" when the QB doesn't clearly understand what protections to call against the defense. Smith has said this in recent interviews and scribed by a number of the reporters during the OTAs.
(2) If the QB doesn't know what protections to call, the center isn't going to get what protections to call.
(3) Even if the QB understand where the pressure is coming from and tries to counter, the hot needs to be on the EXACT same page. Crabtree as good as he is was not always in synch with Smith - and you can say that for all of his receivers. Smith hadn't practiced blitz pick up in this offense until he got the start mid season.
(4) Serious inconsistent line play from Rachal and Baas along with the consistently horrid Snyder - all being poorly taught and little attention to detail in blocking and understanding assignments.
(5) Here's where I rate "predictable" play-calling.
Sorry, but the other 4 are much more important. Most telling stat? 3rd down conversion percentage. That's not about being predictable. 3rd down conversion percentage is about EXECUTION, not about out-witting your opponent. Drives didn't stall because of punt punt pass, drives stalled because folks either didn't or could execute their assignments because of poor play, inexperience or both.

Ok so from what I understand I can't talk about the play-calling until I talk about those other things? Here goes,
(1) The starting QB gave an excuse as to why he sucked last year? Shocking. I agree that Smith will be better but not an All-Pro.
(2) Fair point, if the defense can't put 8 in the box though it becomes a little easier to see who is coming.
(3) Yes hot-reads are important, it's also important for multiple route trees to already be in the play. So, for example, the team should have different receivers running different routes at different depths, so if the play blows up the QB's face he still has a short option, or if it's bump-n-run he's got a deep option. It shouldn't take an audible to have receivers running at multiple depths.
(4) Ah the offensive line. I agree that the line will be much better eventually but it's very unrealistic to think these two rookies will be All-Pros from day 1. Both of the guys we drafted are raw. The hardest thing for OL/DL to learn in the NFL is technique, you think they'll get all that in one TC? Didn't it also take Alex and Heitmann an entire year to get the protections down? And they're vets!! Iupati and Davis will have a large learning curve this year, but they will perform better than Rachal and Baas in the long-run.
(5) So now, according to you, I am allowed to talk about the play-calling right?
Are you saying that having a 3WR set is a bad thing? It's something we shouldn't waste our time on? I agree that their are other aspects of the offense that were poor last year but to say that play-calling isn't as important, I don't agree with that.
You'd like examples of horrible play-calling in specific games? First of all, if you can't remember one 3&out then you weren't watching the games. The Texans and Packers games were lost because we went down too big and came back in the second half once we opened it up. Also, in the Vikings game do you realize that we had the ball with under 3:00 to go?! What did we do? RUN-RUN-PASS-PUNT. Favre gets the ball back and we lose. That's 3 games that could have been won with better play-calling, if we win those we're in the Playoffs.
If they know you're going to run on 3rd and short why not come out with 3 wide and pick up 3-4 in the slot? Wouldn't it be nice to be able to throw the other team a change-up once and a while?
We have 6 WR on this team but we're only going to use 2 at a time? That seems like a waste of talent imo. Imagine if Ginn/Davis/Crabs/Morgan are all on the field at the same time, that's a lot harder to cover than Davis/Crabs/Morgan/Walker wouldn't you agree?
I don't care if we go 2WR sets most of the time, but it'd be nice to know that if the run game isn't working, or if Davis or Iupati get hurt, we aren't totally ****ed. Is that so wrong of me?