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Dirk Nowitzki vs Larry Bird

  • AmpLee
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Bird is widely considered one of the ten best players of all-time. Dirk isn't even close to that level. People just love to hype the hot hand and revise history to fit their argument. People also love to ignore defense, which Dirk has historically been below average at best. That being said, Dirk is having a wonderful playoffs and deserves a lot of praise for that.
Originally posted by LBCniner:
dirk

Lmao! Right after the stats
Originally posted by jimrat201:

He wasnt the greatest passer of all time like the video says but Dirk is nowhere near Birds league. Level of competition isnt like today lol.........idiotic statement

Nah, his friend is right about that part. There weren't too many Dirk Nowitzki's in Bird's day. Or Pau Gasol's, Manu Ginobili's, Yao Ming's, Tony Parker's, Luol Deng's, Nene's, Kirilenko's, Barbosa's, Stojakovic's, Turkoglu's, Okur's, etc.

The entire world is playing basketball these days and then coming to the NBA. In Bird's day, it was mostly just America, with a couple of exceptions. Much higher competition level today...but Bird still woulda dominated because he's still mentally faster than almost everyone else, just like Nash.
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Bird is widely considered one of the ten best players of all-time. Dirk isn't even close to that level. People just love to hype the hot hand and revise history to fit their argument. People also love to ignore defense, which Dirk has historically been below average at best. That being said, Dirk is having a wonderful playoffs and deserves a lot of praise for that.

Ya, this wouldn't have even come up if it wasn't for this ONE year where Dirk dominated in the playoffs. Bird did exactly that several times.
Not only is Dirk better than Bird but the DAL/MIA rivalry is way better than the BOS/LAL rivalry ever was /s
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Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by jimrat201:

He wasnt the greatest passer of all time like the video says but Dirk is nowhere near Birds league. Level of competition isnt like today lol.........idiotic statement

Nah, his friend is right about that part. There weren't too many Dirk Nowitzki's in Bird's day. Or Pau Gasol's, Manu Ginobili's, Yao Ming's, Tony Parker's, Luol Deng's, Nene's, Kirilenko's, Barbosa's, Stojakovic's, Turkoglu's, Okur's, etc.

The entire world is playing basketball these days and then coming to the NBA. In Bird's day, it was mostly just America, with a couple of exceptions. Much higher competition level today...but Bird still woulda dominated because he's still mentally faster than almost everyone else, just like Nash.

Your right, whats funny if Dirk and Pau played in Birds time, they would have been Centers
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Originally posted by monsterzero789:
Not only is Dirk better than Bird but the DAL/MIA rivalry is way better than the BOS/LAL rivalry ever was /s

troll much
Originally posted by jimrat201:
Originally posted by monsterzero789:
Not only is Dirk better than Bird but the DAL/MIA rivalry is way better than the BOS/LAL rivalry ever was /s

troll much

Your sarcasm meter must be broke.
  • jimrat
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Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Originally posted by jimrat201:
Originally posted by monsterzero789:
Not only is Dirk better than Bird but the DAL/MIA rivalry is way better than the BOS/LAL rivalry ever was /s

troll much

Your sarcasm meter must be broke.

You never know these days man
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Larry Bird>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dirk
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> sorry forgot to add one
Originally posted by jimrat201:
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Originally posted by jimrat201:
Originally posted by monsterzero789:
Not only is Dirk better than Bird but the DAL/MIA rivalry is way better than the BOS/LAL rivalry ever was /s

troll much

Your sarcasm meter must be broke.

You never know these days man

Heh, its all good. I said Bird is better without a doubt on the first page. I just said that because of all the ridiculous comparisons we have been having lately. The last month we have had MJ to Kobe, MJ to Lebron, but now Bird to Dirk??? kinda silly really. Dirk is a top 50 player ever if you ask me, and where he falls in there is a debate to have. But comparing him to one of the top 10-15 players ever is a little crazy.
[ Edited by monsterzero789 on Jun 4, 2011 at 11:09 AM ]
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Originally posted by monsterzero789:
Originally posted by jimrat201:
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Originally posted by jimrat201:
Originally posted by monsterzero789:
Not only is Dirk better than Bird but the DAL/MIA rivalry is way better than the BOS/LAL rivalry ever was /s

troll much

Your sarcasm meter must be broke.

You never know these days man

Heh, its all good. I said Bird is better without a doubt on the first page. I just said that because of all the ridiculous comparisons we have been having lately. The last month we have had MJ to Kobe, MJ to Lebron, but now Bird to Dirk??? kinda silly really. Dirk is a top 50 player ever if you ask me, and where he falls in there is a debate to have. But comparing him to one of the top 10-15 players ever is a little crazy.

I hear you, I can't stand them either
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by jimrat201:

He wasnt the greatest passer of all time like the video says but Dirk is nowhere near Birds league. Level of competition isnt like today lol.........idiotic statement

Nah, his friend is right about that part. There weren't too many Dirk Nowitzki's in Bird's day. Or Pau Gasol's, Manu Ginobili's, Yao Ming's, Tony Parker's, Luol Deng's, Nene's, Kirilenko's, Barbosa's, Stojakovic's, Turkoglu's, Okur's, etc.

The entire world is playing basketball these days and then coming to the NBA. In Bird's day, it was mostly just America, with a couple of exceptions. Much higher competition level today...but Bird still woulda dominated because he's still mentally faster than almost everyone else, just like Nash.

One could say that these guys would not be able to play as well in Birds era due to the allowable contact and style of play. It was much more aggressive possibly because it was all American. I still think it can be argued that the talent was better then as a lot of players who retired about 7 years ago played in that era. If there is a difference, it may have been average height but again, todays taller player like Dirk and the list above are accustomed to a "softer" game.
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Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by jimrat201:

He wasnt the greatest passer of all time like the video says but Dirk is nowhere near Birds league. Level of competition isnt like today lol.........idiotic statement

Nah, his friend is right about that part. There weren't too many Dirk Nowitzki's in Bird's day. Or Pau Gasol's, Manu Ginobili's, Yao Ming's, Tony Parker's, Luol Deng's, Nene's, Kirilenko's, Barbosa's, Stojakovic's, Turkoglu's, Okur's, etc.

The entire world is playing basketball these days and then coming to the NBA. In Bird's day, it was mostly just America, with a couple of exceptions. Much higher competition level today...but Bird still woulda dominated because he's still mentally faster than almost everyone else, just like Nash.

One could say that these guys would not be able to play as well in Birds era due to the allowable contact and style of play. It was much more aggressive possibly because it was all American. I still think it can be argued that the talent was better then as a lot of players who retired about 7 years ago played in that era. If there is a difference, it may have been average height but again, todays taller player like Dirk and the list above are accustomed to a "softer" game.

Would have loved to see Dirk go up against the old Bad Boy Pistons back in that era....that was some physical basketball back then