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Shaq retires

like the Lakers when it was just Shaq's team. started hatin' when it became Kobe's team. still a big Shaq fan. dude was a straight baller way back in the day.
Hakeem's greatness is greatly exaggerated in retrospect, thanks to his brief reign of invincibility and his youtube-friendly dream shake.
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Hakeem never owned Shaq, especially not in that '95 Finals series. That's one of those things that's gotten repeated so many times that it's become "true". They played to a basic dead heat in that series. But Horry, Drexler, Cassell, etc. completely outplayed the Magic guys.

Shaq was quoted in saying he got owned. This is one matchup where the stats completely hide what actually happened. Shaq could not handle Hakeem man-up and when he tried, he got whooped. They had to help a lot which left those shooters open a lot.

The Rockets let Shaq have his points but stayed on everyone else, which is why they won.

pts stats:
The Dream: 31, 34, 31, 35
Shaq: 26, 33, 28, 25

Shaq was the only guy in those playoffs that remotely contained Olajuwon in those playoffs, but Dream just took a ton of shots. Look...I'm not saying that Olajuwon wasn't great, because he was, but so was Shaq. Shaq outrebounded him, blocked more shots, shot 57% from the field, and racked up a ton of assists in that series. He was just as dominant as Olajuwon was.

By the way, Shaq also called Kobe the "best player in the NBA BY FAR"...in 2001. Take what Shaq says with a grain of salt.
[ Edited by LA9erFan on Jun 2, 2011 at 12:20 PM ]
Originally posted by dobo:
Hakeem's greatness is greatly exaggerated in retrospect, thanks to his brief reign of invincibility and his youtube-friendly dream shake.

Hakeem is my favorite non-Laker ever, but I agree with this.
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[ Edited by redrathman on Jun 2, 2011 at 12:27 PM ]
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Hakeem never owned Shaq, especially not in that '95 Finals series. That's one of those things that's gotten repeated so many times that it's become "true". They played to a basic dead heat in that series. But Horry, Drexler, Cassell, etc. completely outplayed the Magic guys.

Shaq was quoted in saying he got owned. This is one matchup where the stats completely hide what actually happened. Shaq could not handle Hakeem man-up and when he tried, he got whooped. They had to help a lot which left those shooters open a lot.

The Rockets let Shaq have his points but stayed on everyone else, which is why they won.

pts stats:
The Dream: 31, 34, 31, 35
Shaq: 26, 33, 28, 25

Shaq was the only guy in those playoffs that remotely contained Olajuwon in those playoffs, but Dream just took a ton of shots. Look...I'm not saying that Olajuwon wasn't great, because he was, but so was Shaq. Shaq outrebounded him, blocked more shots, shot 57% from the field, and racked up a ton of assists in that series. He was just as dominant as Olajuwon was.

By the way, Shaq also called Kobe the "best player in the NBA BY FAR"...in 2001. Take what Shaq says with a grain of salt.

I agree, if you compare everything, then Shaq did play well, but a primary reason why HOU dominated was that Shaq could not contain Hakeem and required help. If Shaq was able to man-up on him and hold Hakeem to 20 to 24ppg, then that series could end differently. It was also a surprise because Shaq was such a defensive presence at the time, possibly the most imposing in the league then and Hakeem went through him very easily. I bet that shock to ORL alone got them scrambling because they relied heavily on Shaq controlling the key.
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by dobo:
Hakeem's greatness is greatly exaggerated in retrospect, thanks to his brief reign of invincibility and his youtube-friendly dream shake.

Hakeem is my favorite non-Laker ever, but I agree with this.

I don't know, I never hear anyone say Hakeem is the best center ever. It's certainly not exaggerated to the level of Jordan, Magic or Bird.
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Hakeem never owned Shaq, especially not in that '95 Finals series. That's one of those things that's gotten repeated so many times that it's become "true". They played to a basic dead heat in that series. But Horry, Drexler, Cassell, etc. completely outplayed the Magic guys.

Shaq was quoted in saying he got owned. This is one matchup where the stats completely hide what actually happened. Shaq could not handle Hakeem man-up and when he tried, he got whooped. They had to help a lot which left those shooters open a lot.

The Rockets let Shaq have his points but stayed on everyone else, which is why they won.

pts stats:
The Dream: 31, 34, 31, 35
Shaq: 26, 33, 28, 25

Shaq was the only guy in those playoffs that remotely contained Olajuwon in those playoffs, but Dream just took a ton of shots. Look...I'm not saying that Olajuwon wasn't great, because he was, but so was Shaq. Shaq outrebounded him, blocked more shots, shot 57% from the field, and racked up a ton of assists in that series. He was just as dominant as Olajuwon was.

By the way, Shaq also called Kobe the "best player in the NBA BY FAR"...in 2001. Take what Shaq says with a grain of salt.

I agree, if you compare everything, then Shaq did play well, but a primary reason why HOU dominated was that Shaq could not contain Hakeem and required help. If Shaq was able to man-up on him and hold Hakeem to 20 to 24ppg, then that series could end differently. It was also a surprise because Shaq was such a defensive presence at the time, possibly the most imposing in the league then and Hakeem went through him very easily. I bet that shock to ORL alone got them scrambling because they relied heavily on Shaq controlling the key.

Hakeem needed help on Shaq too. It was a matchup of two great centers and the both had huge series'. That's a far cry from Olajuwon owning Shaq.

Sixth...you're right that Olajuwon isn't nearly overrated to the degree that the other guys you mentioned are.
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Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Hakeem never owned Shaq, especially not in that '95 Finals series. That's one of those things that's gotten repeated so many times that it's become "true". They played to a basic dead heat in that series. But Horry, Drexler, Cassell, etc. completely outplayed the Magic guys.

Just to clarify, I was referring to DRob not Shaq.
Originally posted by TX9R:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Hakeem never owned Shaq, especially not in that '95 Finals series. That's one of those things that's gotten repeated so many times that it's become "true". They played to a basic dead heat in that series. But Horry, Drexler, Cassell, etc. completely outplayed the Magic guys.

Just to clarify, I was referring to DRob not Shaq.

Ah, my bad.
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Originally posted by dobo:
Hakeem's greatness is greatly exaggerated in retrospect, thanks to his brief reign of invincibility and his youtube-friendly dream shake.

Totally disagree, if anything he's underrated due to his personality. I would contend that at the end of games when it mattered most he was just as reliable, if not moreso than MJ for about a 5 year period. He just wasn't near as flashy.
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Hakeem didn't destroy Shaq to the extent that people think but he still outplayed him.
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by TX9R:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Hakeem never owned Shaq, especially not in that '95 Finals series. That's one of those things that's gotten repeated so many times that it's become "true". They played to a basic dead heat in that series. But Horry, Drexler, Cassell, etc. completely outplayed the Magic guys.

Just to clarify, I was referring to DRob not Shaq.

Ah, my bad.

He's trying to stir things up i tell ya.
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Originally posted by TX9R:
Originally posted by dobo:
Hakeem's greatness is greatly exaggerated in retrospect, thanks to his brief reign of invincibility and his youtube-friendly dream shake.

Totally disagree, if anything he's underrated due to his personality. I would contend that at the end of games when it mattered most he was just as reliable, if not moreso than MJ for about a 5 year period. He just wasn't near as flashy.

You're both wrong.

Hakeem is properly rated. I don't think anyone consideres him the same tier as Wilt or Russell or Kareem.

But he's in that next, second tier, of great centers.

However, if Jordan didn't retire, Hakeem would have 0 rings.
What is Shaq gonna look like in 5 years when he doesn't have to pretend to stay in basketball shape?