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Would you make the trade Warrior Fans?

Would you make the trade Warrior Fans?

Originally posted by Jigga:
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Originally posted by Jigga:
Originally posted by socalfan21:
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Originally posted by Jigga:
Originally posted by j3xperience:

we are in the drivers seat. if the suns dont want to be a laughing stock they can get biedrins, wright and belinelli and like it.

Werd

I believe the same could be said about the Dub's, too.

I agree

I disagree.

that's really easy for Laker Fan to say. But I think that the Dubs are far from a laughing stock when healthy. Make no mistake, the Dubs aren't a contender by any stretch, but with...

Curry
Ellis
Jackson
Randolph
Biedrins

...next season, the Dubs are far from a pushover. Another team that can challenge for that revolving door at the 7th and 8th seed in the West. Plus, you'll have this same lineup potentially locked up for at least 2 more seasons.

The Suns, on the other hand, have an aging Nash, Barbosa, J-Rich, and an unhappy, ready to bolt after the season, STAT on their roster. Check out how many key free agents they are likely to lose (Barnes, Hill, etc.) and trades that they've made over the past few months. Getting rid of B Diaw and Raja significantly altered the identity of this team. Are they gonna be still run-and-gun or not? If so, they don't have all of the necessary tools right now.

The Suns need to either sign a big name FA now to play with Nash + Amare, or start the rebuilding process.

Sorry, but this line up:

Curry
Ellis
Jackson
Randolph
Biedrins


.....strikes fear in nobody. And if that's your starting line-up, what's the bench look like? There a steep drop off in talent after that. I mean, if your starting line-up consists of Ellis, a "has been", and a few "never wuzes", you aren't going to get far. Getting Amare gets you a legit Super Star in this league. Something you need at least a couple of to get anywhere in the association.

I wouldn't go THAT far. See, it's not necesarily the personnel over the past few seasons that has been "striking fear" into the league. It's the system that the Dubs play in (helter-skelter, up-tempo ball) that has surprisingly beaten good teams from time to time. Name a team that really WANTS to play the Dubs on the tail end of their back-to-back. Another year of maturity and experience for our younger players, I think that we're in a good position to push teams over the next couple of years.

Monta being a "has been"? Too early to say, man. But, with the lineup above, we still require a BONAFIDE All-Star to reach the level of the West's other "contenders" (Spurs, Lakers, Nuggs, etc.). Either someone from the above-mentioned group needs to develop (quickly) into that player, or we have to find him (and PAY him!).

(Note that I truly believe that added Amare to our EXISTING core would push us into that "next level"...of course, we'd have to wait until summer 2010 for that pipedream to unfold).

Needless to say, as a Dubs' fan, this is all that you can really hang your hat on. For whatever reason, besides our front office being totally chaotic since the 80's, this is what have to "believe". Laker fan have every right to call it "pathetic"...but Dubs' fan see it as "intriguing". This lowsy franchise does a pretty damn good job of keeping a$$es in the seats. We deserve much better, but you have to play with the hands that you're dealt.

I guess I didn't make myself clear. Ellis is the legit player, Jack is the has been, and then the never wuzes.



And I don't know about teams really fearing having to play the Dub's, even on the 2nd of a back to back. I know they can run on teams, but they really don't make anybody fear them.
Current lineup

Ellis
Jax
Maggs
Randolph
Biedrins

With a bench of

Curry/CJ
Morrow/Bellineli
Bazooka
Wright
Turiaf

or a lineup of

Ellis
Jax
Maggs
Randolph
Amare

with a bench of

CJ
Morrow
Bazooka (could be included in this trade)
Davidson/Kurz
Turiaf

1. No we are not getting any better. We may be just as good as we can be with our current lineup, maybe slightly better. Both teams can contend for an 8th spot, that's it.

2. STAT doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who's gonna be aight with losing season after season, which this team is most likely to do for at least another 2 years.

3. According to Stein (ESPN) Azubuike could be added to that trade, meaning the DUBS would be getting their hands chained to the ground with their upper body over a table and their legs standing straight up, BUTT NAKED.

4. The backups at PF with this deal taking place make me

No, I don't want this trade
Example: The Bobcats don't have any players that the Lakers fear, but they've somehow beaten you guys a few times over the past couple of years. Strange, isn't it?

We still have a ways to go. But if our current roster develops into the group that it's projected to, I honestly believe that we're on the right track (minus Maggette). Next year, I don't think so. But if we can land an Amare or a Bosh, we have some other pieces in place to mount a challenge vs. the West's elite.
  • crzy
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The Warriors can claim that they only won 29 games because of injuries last year all they want.........they're still a 35 win team if they keep the same roster from last year.


Ellis / CJ
Jax / Morrow/ Belinelli / Curry
Maggs / Azubuike
Randolph / Wright
Biedrins / Turiaf

^^ This roster is not a playoff-caliber roster.



The Warriors have a chance here to acquire one of the top 10 players in this league when he's completely healthy for Andris Biedrins and a bunch of role players.



Just throw the max at Amare, and give the Suns whatever they want besides Randolph and Ellis and Turiaf.

Get it done.

[ Edited by crzy on Jun 26, 2009 at 12:49:31 ]
Originally posted by crzy:
The Warriors can claim that they only won 29 games because of injuries last year all they want.........they're still a 35 win team if they keep the same roster from last year.


Ellis / CJ
Jax / Morrow/ Belinelli / Curry
Maggs / Azubuike
Randolph / Wright
Biedrins / Turiaf

^^ This roster is not a playoff-caliber roster.



The Warriors have a chance here to acquire one of the top 10 players in this league when he's completely healthy for Andris Biedrins and a bunch of role players.



Just throw the max at Amare, and give the Suns whatever they want besides Randolph and Ellis and Turiaf.

Get it done.

im convinced
LISTEN UP GUYS!

the warriors should only do this if FIRST: stephen curry is not part of the deal
SECOND: there is an extension.

i think the second one is easier to do than the first one, but really i think the suns are being greedy little b***hes asking for stephen curry. according to chris broussard from ESPN he says there was a deal in place yesterday to already send biedrins, belinelli and brandan wright to the suns for amare but when we got curry they peed their pants and wanted him too.

i say hold out. the suns won't get anything more than what the warriors are offering. biedrins is an all star center, belinelli has shown improvement and i think so has brandan wright. i would even include azubuike as its also been reported he's going too.
LMAO
  • SS2K8
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If curry isn't part of the deal, which is what the warriors are pushing for, and amare gets signed to the extension, then yes.

Amare
Randolph
Monta
Jackson
Maggette
Curry
is
epic

Nobody's bidding against the warriors. There's no offer on the table anywhere close to Biedrins/Wright/Bellinelli/Azubuke.

Kerr's a terrible gm who keeps painting himself into a corner, let him sweat it out til the deal can go through and then make him choke on it. Division inflation gets canceled out with the whole detached retina questions.
  • crzy
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Originally posted by SS2K8:
Nobody's bidding against the warriors.

How do you know that?
  • SS2K8
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Originally posted by crzy:
Originally posted by SS2K8:
Nobody's bidding against the warriors.

How do you know that?

Then the suns are doing an excellent job at hiding their leverage. Remember before the trade deadline, before Amare's eye got messed up, nobody looked all that enthralled with somebody who doesn't play defense and seems to have a bad attitude. No takers then, and i haven't heard any takers now. No reason to just give away Curry.
  • SF4eva15
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Way too much without the extension
Originally posted by crzy:
Originally posted by SS2K8:
Nobody's bidding against the warriors.

How do you know that?

from my understanding, the rockets want Amare, but the rumors have been shot down by both teams, but might be BS, so maybe TMAC, Landry and draft choices for Amare.
  • SS2K8
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Originally posted by AB83Rules:
Originally posted by crzy:
Originally posted by SS2K8:
Nobody's bidding against the warriors.

How do you know that?

from my understanding, the rockets want Amare, but the rumors have been shot down by both teams, but might be BS, so maybe TMAC, Landry and draft choices for Amare.

Yeah i had heard those names too but i think they're kinda handicapped after that news about Yao's foot. Amare + Artest with no real veteran star leader sounds kinda toxic. I just assumed they had kinda pulled out of all major talks until they really know what they have.
Originally posted by SS2K8:
Originally posted by AB83Rules:
Originally posted by crzy:
Originally posted by SS2K8:
Nobody's bidding against the warriors.

How do you know that?

from my understanding, the rockets want Amare, but the rumors have been shot down by both teams, but might be BS, so maybe TMAC, Landry and draft choices for Amare.

Yeah i had heard those names too but i think they're kinda handicapped after that news about Yao's foot. Amare + Artest with no real veteran star leader sounds kinda toxic. I just assumed they had kinda pulled out of all major talks until they really know what they have.

I'd love to land Amare as a rockets fan, but the long term extension is a problem, he will want max, plus 2010 FA crop, is amazing, and the rox will have cap room, even with YAO on the books if he opts to stay under contract for 2010/2011, realistically, we could fit Amare, Artest and YAO together under the cap, and still add a shooting, 6th man IMO.
  • SS2K8
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Originally posted by AB83Rules:
Originally posted by SS2K8:
Originally posted by AB83Rules:
Originally posted by crzy:
Originally posted by SS2K8:
Nobody's bidding against the warriors.

How do you know that?

from my understanding, the rockets want Amare, but the rumors have been shot down by both teams, but might be BS, so maybe TMAC, Landry and draft choices for Amare.

Yeah i had heard those names too but i think they're kinda handicapped after that news about Yao's foot. Amare + Artest with no real veteran star leader sounds kinda toxic. I just assumed they had kinda pulled out of all major talks until they really know what they have.

I'd love to land Amare as a rockets fan, but the long term extension is a problem, he will want max, plus 2010 FA crop, is amazing, and the rox will have cap room, even with YAO on the books if he opts to stay under contract for 2010/2011, realistically, we could fit Amare, Artest and YAO together under the cap, and still add a shooting, 6th man IMO.

Do you think Amare is an Adleman kinda guy? And i would think Houston might be wary of adding Amare after the TMac experiment kinda failed. All these injuries hitting the rockets, i would think that eye thing has to scare them. My feeling is that if u guys traded for Amare it would be so you could get him off the books and try and pair Yao with Wade.