San Antonio Spurs Offseason thread

like being said by LA, this was a Trade where MIL gets Cap Relief, right away, since they will cut Bowen and Oberto, and SA gets a quality player for Free.

watch out LA the 4 horsemen are coming.

Now all the Bucks have to do is dump Michael Redd's overpaid ass and they can finally rebuild

Originally posted by crzy:
Now all the Bucks have to do is dump Michael Redd's balding overpaid ass and they can finally rebuild

Fixed

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by LA9erFan:

Originally posted by dobophile:

Originally posted by LA9erFan:

Originally posted by dobophile:
Richard Jefferson to the Spurs for Bowen, KT, and Oberto.

Rumor or fact?

per Chad Ford

A rumor or fact per Chad Ford? (it's a deal that makes sense for both teams)

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4281291

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by LA9erFan:

Originally posted by dobophile:

Originally posted by LA9erFan:

Originally posted by dobophile:
Richard Jefferson to the Spurs for Bowen, KT, and Oberto.

Rumor or fact?

per Chad Ford

A rumor or fact per Chad Ford? (it's a deal that makes sense for both teams)

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4281291

Man, I've always loved how they do things in SA. He & Popovich know that the time is now, and they're taking advantage of a buyer's market. You can get some very good players this year for bargain prices.

Originally posted by dobophile:
R.C. Buford getting me all exciting. He basically said the RJ trade is just the beginning of a very interesting offseason for the Spurs. Apparently, the Spurs will be a luxury tax paying team.

http://www.nba.com/spurs/news/090623_buford.html

This will likely end up being a RJ-for-KT trade. I think Bowen will return and play as a reserve SF. Oberto might retire, or return.

From Oberto's twittter: http://twitter.com/obricio7
thanks y'all I really want to thanks , I've got four amazing years in san antonio and in texas....gracias

So I think he's done. It was weird watching him and Mason talk on there as the trade was being announced.

I can't wait to see what else they do. Pay that luxury tax! Pay it!

Originally posted by LA9erFan:

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by LA9erFan:

Originally posted by dobophile:

Originally posted by LA9erFan:

Originally posted by dobophile:
Richard Jefferson to the Spurs for Bowen, KT, and Oberto.

Rumor or fact?

per Chad Ford

A rumor or fact per Chad Ford? (it's a deal that makes sense for both teams)

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4281291

Man, I've always loved how they do things in SA. He & Popovich know that the time is now, and they're taking advantage of a buyer's market. You can get some very good players this year for bargain prices.

I don't think there's a better front office in all of sports. To pretty much be a contender year in year out for nearly 20 years, in a small market no less is amazing. LA has an advantage in that players want to go there so they can hobnob with Hollywood and parlay that in to a second career, San Antonio has no such advantage so they don't attract name FAs, but they have a system and get guys that fit that, usually at a bargain rate. I would hope this is the blueprint The Niners can follow.

Originally posted by dobophile:

Originally posted by pantstickle:

Originally posted by dobophile:
R.C. Buford getting me all exciting. He basically said the RJ trade is just the beginning of a very interesting offseason for the Spurs. Apparently, the Spurs will be a luxury tax paying team.

http://www.nba.com/spurs/news/090623_buford.html

This will likely end up being a RJ-for-KT trade. I think Bowen will return and play as a reserve SF. Oberto might retire, or return.

From Oberto's twittter: http://twitter.com/obricio7
thanks y'all I really want to thanks , I've got four amazing years in san antonio and in texas....gracias

So I think he's done. It was weird watching him and Mason talk on there as the trade was being announced.

I can't wait to see what else they do. Pay that luxury tax! Pay it!

Do you ever read 48minutesofhell? It's a good blog.

Originally posted by 48minutesofhell:

Before moving on to my criticisms, I want to propose an idea which I have yet to do the appropriate research for: One legitimate point of concern many commentators have noted is how dangerously close this move puts the Spurs to the luxury tax. If the Spurs are going to finish rounding out this roster (after yesterday’s events, the the frontcourt is certainly in need of a little depth), they will most likely have to head north of the cap. For many this has come as a surprise given how closely associated the Spurs are with the ethic of frugality. (Although, as R.C. Buford said during an interview yesterday afternoon, “this won’t be the first time we’ve been a luxury tax paying team.”)

I have a theory. This past season the Spurs experienced an uncommon financial shock. They received the revenue from only two home playoff games. By some estimates, a franchise can make close to $1 million per playoff home game. Although it would be an enormous gamble, the Spurs may be preparing to defy our expectations and absorb the luxury tax in the hopes that the excess revenue from a deep playoff run will offset the costs. I will do some research and try to find out how much the team made in ‘07, ‘08, and ‘09. If there was a significant drop in the Spurs ‘09 revenue, there may be some truth to this idea. (I’m hardly the first person to propose that this business strategy may work for an NBA team, but I have never seen hard numbers that prove its validity.)

http://www.48minutesofhell.com/2009/06/24/some-thoughts-on-the-jefferson-trade/#more-3287

Yeah, love that blog, and that's a really good point. I didn't even think about the lost revenue from losing so early in the playoffs.

^I think it's an unlikely roll of the dice, considering that the Luxury Tax is a dollar for dollar tax. Fox example, the Lakers played 9 more home games in the playoffs than San Antonio did this year, which would theoretically mean $9M in extra revenue. But that only translates to one extra player at $4.5M when you're over the LT, and that's a best case scenario. Seems like an uncharacteristic move by the Spurs from a financial perspective that doesn't have huge upside.

Per Wikipedia, Peter Holt (Spurs owner) is the owner of HOLT CAT, which is the largest Caterpillar distributor in the country. Considering what's happened to the construction industry, I'd imagine that his net worth has been hit hard over the last year.

I think it's more likely that it's a basketball move rather than a financial one.

[ Edited by LA9erFan on Jun 24, 2009 at 09:00:43 ]

The way I see it, it's backpay. The owner has enjoyed an pretty sweet ride since he bought the team and plenty of playoff game revenue, while having it done by a cast of 1 well paid superstar and various interchangable bargain money players until Parker and Ginobli blossomed. And comparitively speaking, the Spurs have still gotten off pretty light in the payroll dept for a team that has won 4 rings.

Originally posted by TX9R:
The way I see it, it's backpay. The owner has enjoyed an pretty sweet ride since he bought the team and plenty of playoff game revenue, while having it done by a cast of 1 well paid superstar and various interchangable bargain money players until Parker and Ginobli blossomed. And comparitively speaking, the Spurs have still gotten off pretty light in the payroll dept for a team that has won 4 rings.

Sure, but I think that should be their reward for drafting well in the late spots. The first 4 years of Tony Parker's career, he made less than $4M for those seasons combined (), and won two championships with him playing a key role on those teams. That's just desserts for drafting an all-star at the end of the 1st Round, IMO.

But if it is "backpay" for getting off easy (and Duncan taking a paycut was a HUGE part of that), that's pretty cool on the owner's part.

Originally posted by dobophile:

Originally posted by LA9erFan:
^I think it's an unlikely roll of the dice, considering that the Luxury Tax is a dollar for dollar tax. Fox example, the Lakers played 9 more home games in the playoffs than San Antonio did this year, which would theoretically mean $9M in extra revenue. But that only translates to one extra player at $4.5M when you're over the LT, and that's a best case scenario. Seems like an uncharacteristic move by the Spurs from a financial perspective that doesn't have huge upside.

Per Wikipedia, Peter Holt (Spurs owner) is the owner of HOLT CAT, which is the largest Caterpillar distributor in the country. Considering what's happened to the construction industry, I'd imagine that his net worth has been hit hard over the last year.

I think it's more likely that it's a basketball move rather than a financial one.

This is not the best move, financially. RJ is overpaid. (Whenever you overpay a player, you lose financially; but then again, the big 3 are all underpaid.) But his contract only has two years remaining, so it's certainly not a catastrophic move. I'm sure remaining under the tax while making it to the first or second round of the playoffs is a much safer financial move than spending like a drunken sailor and winning a championship.

So I think this is mainly about making the most of Duncan's remaining years. Build a legacy, a tradition of excellence. Maybe sell some jerseys over the next few years, especially overseas. Maybe contend while making a seamless transition to the post-Duncan era. (Manu becomes a FA in 2010, RJ in 2011, and Duncan in 2012.) Maybe solidify the fan base---both local and international---for the wilderness years that are sure to follow Duncan's retirement. Ultimately, losing some money now could be a good financial investment for the future.

But I'm nervous as hell. The urgency is a reminder that Duncan will be gone in a few years---at least superstar Duncan will be gone---and the Spurs will have to rebuild around Parker, or someone else. Thankfully, the Spurs have some talent stashed away overseas and in Austin. Looking into my crystal ball, I see the Spurs' future roster including Tiago Splitter, James Gist, Ian Mahinmi, Austin Nichols, Tony Parker, George Hill, and God-knows-who-else.

where did he go to college?