***Official 2008-2009 Houston Rockets Thread***

Originally posted by TX9R:
HAHAHA. No way that happens. Landry is a budding star and Mihm is a never was. Motumbo is coming back, and that will squash all this.

You REALLY overrate Carl Landry.

Oh, and for Hollywood....

Originally posted by LA9erFan:

Originally posted by TX9R:
HAHAHA. No way that happens. Landry is a budding star and Mihm is a never was. Motumbo is coming back, and that will squash all this.

You REALLY overrate Carl Landry.

Oh, and for Hollywood....

if you watched him game to game on a per minute basis he's been one of the most productive players in the league since he came in. However, you know what, after losing at home to the Wiz, I'm about done hoping for these guys. That's inexcusable. They haven't proven enough to just show up and expect to win. I really thought Artest would toughen this team up, but it seems the opposite has happened. He's trying to fit in with them and being too good a guy. The SW div is too tough to not bring it on a night by night basis and I think SA will be widening their lead in the coming months. I just don't get it.

Artest doesn't toughen teams up. He crazies them up.

Originally posted by LA9erFan:

Originally posted by TX9R:
HAHAHA. No way that happens. Landry is a budding star and Mihm is a never was. Motumbo is coming back, and that will squash all this.

You REALLY overrate Carl Landry.

Oh, and for Hollywood....

There will be some upset losses this year (IE: Kings Blowing the Lakers away)
Carl Landry is a beast period, over-rated no. Overrate that would be Ariza.

Originally posted by Hollywood49er:

Originally posted by LA9erFan:

Originally posted by TX9R:
HAHAHA. No way that happens. Landry is a budding star and Mihm is a never was. Motumbo is coming back, and that will squash all this.

You REALLY overrate Carl Landry.

Oh, and for Hollywood....

There will be some upset losses this year (IE: Kings Blowing the Lakers away)
Carl Landry is a beast period, over-rated no. Overrate that would be Ariza.

I am goin to say that the Kings at about 5x better than the Wizards...


Losing to the Wizards... at Home... is embarrassing.

Originally posted by socalfan21:

Originally posted by Hollywood49er:

Originally posted by LA9erFan:

Originally posted by TX9R:
HAHAHA. No way that happens. Landry is a budding star and Mihm is a never was. Motumbo is coming back, and that will squash all this.

You REALLY overrate Carl Landry.

Oh, and for Hollywood....

There will be some upset losses this year (IE: Kings Blowing the Lakers away)
Carl Landry is a beast period, over-rated no. Overrate that would be Ariza.

I am goin to say that the Kings at about 5x better than the Wizards...


Losing to the Wizards... at Home... is embarrassing.

Kings are 7-24, Wiz are 6-23 one game???

Trevor Ariza's Stats

2008-09 Statistics
PPG 9.1
RPG 5.1
APG 2.3
SPG 1.8 (10th in the NBA in Steals per game, BTW)
BPG 0.4
FG% 0.474
FT% 0.679
3P% 0.296
MPG 24.4


Carl Landry's Stats

2008-09 Statistics
PPG 8.6
RPG 5.1
APG 0.8
SPG 0.3
BPG 0.2
FG% 0.580
FT% 0.795
3P% 0.000
MPG 20.6

Who is overrating who?

Originally posted by socalfan21:
Trevor Ariza's Stats

2008-09 Statistics
PPG 9.1
RPG 5.1
APG 2.3
SPG 1.8 (10th in the NBA in Steals per game, BTW)
BPG 0.4
FG% 0.474
FT% 0.679
3P% 0.296
MPG 24.4


Carl Landry's Stats

2008-09 Statistics
PPG 8.6
RPG 5.1
APG 0.8
SPG 0.3
BPG 0.2
FG% 0.580
FT% 0.795
3P% 0.000
MPG 20.6

Who is overrating who?

Like the poster above said Landry has the one of the highest PER in the league period.
BTW Landry is in his second year. Ariza is in his 4th year and 3rd team.
He is playing 4 minutes less PG than Ariza.

[ Edited by Hollywood49er on Dec 30, 2008 at 09:27:39 ]

Landry's one of the most productive players in the league on a per minute basis? Are you serious? There are 20 Power Forwards in the league that score more than Landry does on a per minute basis, and 21 PFs that rebound more than he does. And let's not even get into shot-blocking or defense in general.

PER is a garbage stat, and even in that he's a solid, but not spectacular 17.7. Defensively, all it measures is steals & blocks. If you think PER is accurate, you think that Aaron Brooks has more of an impact on the Rockets than Ron Artest does.

Roland Rating is a much more extensive and accurate statistic, and Landry measures in at a -1.6 in that regard. Ariza has a higher Roland Rating (+4.3) and a higher PER than Landry (18.0), but you STILL don't find too many Laker fans who think that he's a "budding star", LOL. He's an excellent role player who does a lot of the little things well, and is VERY fun to watch, which is why Laker fans love him.

That's what Landry is. An excellent role player. Don't kid yourselves, the guy is 25 years old. (Ariza is 23, BTW) He's not going to get TOO much better than he is now, and right now he's just a role player.

Originally posted by Hollywood49er:
Like the poster above said Landry has the one of the highest PER in the league period.

Carl Landry isn't even in the Top 50 in the league in PER.

[ Edited by LA9erFan on Dec 30, 2008 at 10:06:24 ]

Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Landry's one of the most productive players in the league on a per minute basis? Are you serious? There are 20 Power Forwards in the league that score more than Landry does on a per minute basis, and 21 PFs that rebound more than he does. And let's not even get into shot-blocking or defense in general.

PER is a garbage stat, and even in that he's a solid, but not spectacular 17.7. Defensively, all it measures is steals & blocks. If you think PER is accurate, you think that Aaron Brooks has more of an impact on the Rockets than Ron Artest does.

Roland Rating is a much more extensive and accurate statistic, and Landry measures in at a -1.6 in that regard. Ariza has a higher Roland Rating (+4.3) and a higher PER than Landry (18.0), but you STILL don't find too many Laker fans who think that he's a "budding star", LOL. He's an excellent role player who does a lot of the little things well, and is VERY fun to watch, which is why Laker fans love him.

That's what Landry is. An excellent role player. Don't kid yourselves, the guy is 25 years old. (Ariza is 23, BTW) He's not going to get TOO much better than he is now, and right now he's just a role player.

Originally posted by Hollywood49er:
Like the poster above said Landry has the one of the highest PER in the league period.

Carl Landry isn't even in the Top 50 in the league in PER.

He is #17 at his position while only playing 20 MPG. Ariza has never played this well in his career NEVER. Landry started off his career playing well, the sky is the limit for Landry.

Originally posted by Hollywood49er:

Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Landry's one of the most productive players in the league on a per minute basis? Are you serious? There are 20 Power Forwards in the league that score more than Landry does on a per minute basis, and 21 PFs that rebound more than he does. And let's not even get into shot-blocking or defense in general.

PER is a garbage stat, and even in that he's a solid, but not spectacular 17.7. Defensively, all it measures is steals & blocks. If you think PER is accurate, you think that Aaron Brooks has more of an impact on the Rockets than Ron Artest does.

Roland Rating is a much more extensive and accurate statistic, and Landry measures in at a -1.6 in that regard. Ariza has a higher Roland Rating (+4.3) and a higher PER than Landry (18.0), but you STILL don't find too many Laker fans who think that he's a "budding star", LOL. He's an excellent role player who does a lot of the little things well, and is VERY fun to watch, which is why Laker fans love him.

That's what Landry is. An excellent role player. Don't kid yourselves, the guy is 25 years old. (Ariza is 23, BTW) He's not going to get TOO much better than he is now, and right now he's just a role player.

Originally posted by Hollywood49er:
Like the poster above said Landry has the one of the highest PER in the league period.

Carl Landry isn't even in the Top 50 in the league in PER.

He is #17 at his position while only playing 20 MPG. Ariza has never played this well in his career NEVER. Landry started off his career playing well, the sky is the limit for Landry.

Ariza was never really given an opportunity to show what he can do and his defense might be the ticket to a championship as where Landry really isn't that kind of player... he comes in and scores his garbage buckets then sits back down on the bench. Ariza could be All Star caliber if he develops his jump shot. If what you are saying is Landry is goin to be a great player in this league is pretty ridiculous. Ariza is doin this while being 7th or 8th man right now....

Originally posted by Hollywood49er:

Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Landry's one of the most productive players in the league on a per minute basis? Are you serious? There are 20 Power Forwards in the league that score more than Landry does on a per minute basis, and 21 PFs that rebound more than he does. And let's not even get into shot-blocking or defense in general.

PER is a garbage stat, and even in that he's a solid, but not spectacular 17.7. Defensively, all it measures is steals & blocks. If you think PER is accurate, you think that Aaron Brooks has more of an impact on the Rockets than Ron Artest does.

Roland Rating is a much more extensive and accurate statistic, and Landry measures in at a -1.6 in that regard. Ariza has a higher Roland Rating (+4.3) and a higher PER than Landry (18.0), but you STILL don't find too many Laker fans who think that he's a "budding star", LOL. He's an excellent role player who does a lot of the little things well, and is VERY fun to watch, which is why Laker fans love him.

That's what Landry is. An excellent role player. Don't kid yourselves, the guy is 25 years old. (Ariza is 23, BTW) He's not going to get TOO much better than he is now, and right now he's just a role player.

Originally posted by Hollywood49er:
Like the poster above said Landry has the one of the highest PER in the league period.

Carl Landry isn't even in the Top 50 in the league in PER.

He is #17 at his position while only playing 20 MPG. Ariza has never played this well in his career NEVER. Landry started off his career playing well, the sky is the limit for Landry.

PER isn't effected by minutes. And the fact that he's only playing 20MPG helps him. Most player's production slides (due to fatigue) the more minutes that they play. Saying that he's #17 in PER amongst PFs isn't saying much.

Ariza is #8 at his position in PER (which is still a garbage statistic). What exactly is your point here?

Landry's 25, and a backup who's playing 20MPG and putting up solid but unspectacular numbers. But "the sky's the limit"? Right.

Originally posted by socalfan21:

Originally posted by Hollywood49er:

Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Landry's one of the most productive players in the league on a per minute basis? Are you serious? There are 20 Power Forwards in the league that score more than Landry does on a per minute basis, and 21 PFs that rebound more than he does. And let's not even get into shot-blocking or defense in general.

PER is a garbage stat, and even in that he's a solid, but not spectacular 17.7. Defensively, all it measures is steals & blocks. If you think PER is accurate, you think that Aaron Brooks has more of an impact on the Rockets than Ron Artest does.

Roland Rating is a much more extensive and accurate statistic, and Landry measures in at a -1.6 in that regard. Ariza has a higher Roland Rating (+4.3) and a higher PER than Landry (18.0), but you STILL don't find too many Laker fans who think that he's a "budding star", LOL. He's an excellent role player who does a lot of the little things well, and is VERY fun to watch, which is why Laker fans love him.

That's what Landry is. An excellent role player. Don't kid yourselves, the guy is 25 years old. (Ariza is 23, BTW) He's not going to get TOO much better than he is now, and right now he's just a role player.

Originally posted by Hollywood49er:
Like the poster above said Landry has the one of the highest PER in the league period.

Carl Landry isn't even in the Top 50 in the league in PER.

He is #17 at his position while only playing 20 MPG. Ariza has never played this well in his career NEVER. Landry started off his career playing well, the sky is the limit for Landry.

Ariza was never really given an opportunity to show what he can do and his defense might be the ticket to a championship as where Landry really isn't that kind of player... he comes in and scores his garbage buckets then sits back down on the bench. Ariza could be All Star caliber if he develops his jump shot. If what you are saying is Landry is goin to be a great player in this league is pretty ridiculous. Ariza is doin this while being 7th or 8th man right now....

As usual, talking out of you azz through laker colored glasses. At least LA has stats to back up his claims. Saying Landry scores in garbage time proves you haven't seen him play. He plays valuable minutes and all his scores are of the hustle variety and on O rebounds. Garbage buckets come at the end of blowouts, he plays throughout the game. he is always around the basket and gets a ton of put backs. I never compared him to Ariza, so I won't address that, but anyone could be an all star if they developed a jump shot, which Landry has a 15 footer already. He hasn't even played a full season yet, so I think I'm as entitled to think of what he could be as much as laker fans were trying to beleive Bynum already was.

Originally posted by TX9R:

Originally posted by socalfan21:

Originally posted by Hollywood49er:

Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Landry's one of the most productive players in the league on a per minute basis? Are you serious? There are 20 Power Forwards in the league that score more than Landry does on a per minute basis, and 21 PFs that rebound more than he does. And let's not even get into shot-blocking or defense in general.

PER is a garbage stat, and even in that he's a solid, but not spectacular 17.7. Defensively, all it measures is steals & blocks. If you think PER is accurate, you think that Aaron Brooks has more of an impact on the Rockets than Ron Artest does.

Roland Rating is a much more extensive and accurate statistic, and Landry measures in at a -1.6 in that regard. Ariza has a higher Roland Rating (+4.3) and a higher PER than Landry (18.0), but you STILL don't find too many Laker fans who think that he's a "budding star", LOL. He's an excellent role player who does a lot of the little things well, and is VERY fun to watch, which is why Laker fans love him.

That's what Landry is. An excellent role player. Don't kid yourselves, the guy is 25 years old. (Ariza is 23, BTW) He's not going to get TOO much better than he is now, and right now he's just a role player.

Originally posted by Hollywood49er:
Like the poster above said Landry has the one of the highest PER in the league period.

Carl Landry isn't even in the Top 50 in the league in PER.

He is #17 at his position while only playing 20 MPG. Ariza has never played this well in his career NEVER. Landry started off his career playing well, the sky is the limit for Landry.

Ariza was never really given an opportunity to show what he can do and his defense might be the ticket to a championship as where Landry really isn't that kind of player... he comes in and scores his garbage buckets then sits back down on the bench. Ariza could be All Star caliber if he develops his jump shot. If what you are saying is Landry is goin to be a great player in this league is pretty ridiculous. Ariza is doin this while being 7th or 8th man right now....

As usual, talking out of you azz through laker colored glasses. At least LA has stats to back up his claims. Saying Landry scores in garbage time proves you haven't seen him play. He plays valuable minutes and all his scores are of the hustle variety and on O rebounds. Garbage buckets come at the end of blowouts, he plays throughout the game. he is always around the basket and gets a ton of put backs. I never compared him to Ariza, so I won't address that, but anyone could be an all star if they developed a jump shot, which Landry has a 15 footer already. He hasn't even played a full season yet, so I think I'm as entitled to think of what he could be as much as laker fans were trying to beleive Bynum already was.

But Landry's already 25, whereas Bynum was 19.