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I hate that there is this 'let them play' come the playoffs. Why call a different play from the one called in the regular season? Because you dont want a call to influence the outcome of the game. Its weak. Refs are put there to make the right calls, if the crew cant call it put in a crew that will. A no call is a good call is BS.
Originally posted by merm49:
Roman, for all his creativeness with the run game and pistol formation, absolutely sucks donkey nuts with RZ playcalling. He sucked last year and He sucked this year. As a team, we went 2-6 in the RZ yesterday...obviously, we needed only one more TD to win the game. That's unacceptable. The OL dominated the 4th quarter, and Gore had about 60 yards on just 2 carries alone. We have the much ballyhooed jumbo package...the Ravens are on their heels, old-ass Ray is gasping for air and their without their biggest run defender. f**king motherf**king f**k!!!! Ngata even actually said he was surprised they didn't run there.

I was so confident we were going in for the TD. We had them on their heels, all the mo', everything. Gore was working it and the OL was mauling everyone. We have CK7, the most dynamic running QB in the league. I was even OK with the first down play because we gained 2 yards from the 7. Do that 3 more times and you win the f**king bowl Roman. Can you do simple f**king math? We're at the 7. The chances they stop us in the backfield with the jubmo or read option is minimal. Get 2 yards/play 4 times and you win. 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 from the 7 = a f**king TD. And remember, running runs down the clock and/or forces them to use TOs so they have less of a shot to get down the field and kick a FG. Everything in that situation indicated that running was the best option. Regardless, it was time for Kaep to become legendary, by leading a late and potentially SB winning drive just like the one, only, real Joe Cool (it makes me sick to see Flacco being compared with Montana for all-time great postseason and stealing his nickname to boot)

Instead, Roman's playcalling will go down in infamy (and Harbs isn't without blame either). His play calls on 2nd, 3rd, and 4th down were literally the worst possible play call for the game and time situation. Even if we had somehow come down the the fade route, BAL would have had just under 2 minutes left and I believe all 3 of their TOs--more than enough time to kick the tie or winning FG based on how well they'd moved the ball all game long.

But let's start with 2nd down. Prior to the play, I believed we were going into the endzone. We been killing them in the 4th quarter and gotten all the way down to the five yard line in 6 plays. Then we call a semi sprint option that effectively eliminates an entire half of the field. You don't do that in the RZ. In already close quarters you only limit your playing area more. I understand giving Kap the opportunity to run, and it did look like he would have at least gained positive yardage had he decided to do so. As it was, he ended up having a one WR route to the front corner of the endzone with defenders everywhere--not a high percentage play.

After seeing what Roman had called, I had the all-too-familiar feeling to yet another RZ f**k up--we've seen his RZ ineptitude so many times. And what's so frustrating is he called a fantastic counter play to Gore for a TD. He's got these plays in his pocket, but he went full retard in the biggest moment. I don't necessarily buy that they decided to go pass-pass-pass to make Kaep the star and prove a point, but he outsmarted himself by trying to counter what he thought the D would be doing.

That said, the original 3rd down play probably would have was designed QB run around the tackle, like the AS play. Unfortunately, as we've seen time and again we were unable to get it off in time. Now, Harbs should not have called his TO. As I saw the clock running down, I felt like it might actually be a positive thing since we gained more area to work with and would open up more space for Kaep to scramble should his WRs/TEs be covered. Instead, Jim panicked and called a TO, effectively ending the game in the event we were unable to score, which ultimately came to pass. For me, the 3rd down play was the worst of the bunch. A quick out route to Crab tree several yards short of the goalline. It really had no chance, as you know defenders will be crashing down on the play. What's frustrating is watching the replays, we see an open VD across the middle and a running opportunity for Kaep around the edge. It was, without question, the worst of the bunch. An odd formation we haven't used very much, Kaep under center, split backs...I knew it had no chance the moment they lined up.

Fourth down and it all comes down to this. I don't know if we had an original play called and audibled to the fade route or what, but at that point the D knows its a passing situation since we didn't run on the prior two plays. It's a tough situation to be in in any game, let alone the SB, and Roman/Harbs and them alone put us in it with terrible playcalling/game management on 2nd and 3rd downs. Gore, who's usually so reliable in pass protection, went the wrong way (which has to do with the communciation issues and I think the newness of the pistol scheme as we've seen people go the wrong way a couple of times) and Kaep had to make a desperation heave for Crabs. There was obvious holding, and we should have had the ball at the one, but it's an incredibly low percentage throw...A 50/50 play.

Making matters all the more frustrating is that, even having decided to go pass/pass/pass, we never once looked for VD, Moss, or Walker--all great weapons who (VD and Walker) had played a fantastic game up until that point. I understand Crabs was beasting late and has become an absolute monster the last half of the season, but we have other legitimate, highly skilled weapons as well. Davis and Moss are both they type of huge bodied guys that teams look for in the RZ. Rather, Roman called 2 pass plays (2nd and 4th downs) that were effectively one WR routes and on 3rd down a poor route combination out of a near formation look when Kaep is obviously more comfortable out of the gun or pistol--and which allows him more time/space to read the defense and tuck and run if need be. There was no chance for a goalline play action--which tend to be quite effective--because we showed no inclination of running. Everything was panicked and hurried on those final 3 plays--much like how the Ravens were last year when they missed the kick against NE.

Sorry for the freaking book guys. I'm glad to be here on the zone commiserating with all of you, as bad as that sounds. We're all true fans and truly know how crushing this loss feels. Unlike last year's loss, I'm not angry, just very, very down. I'll get over it, and I know I shouldn't be as emotionally invested in the team as I am, but the Niners are a huge component of my life. I, like you, have stuck with this team through thick and thin and yesterday really, really sucks. Other than the 87/88 Browns (the drive and the fumble) you'd be hard pressed to find another NFL fan base that has suffered more crushing consecutive postseason defeats than us. Hopefully we get in done next year, and we'll be a perennial contender as long as we have Harbs and Kaep but, once again, we choked away a golden opportunity for a championship.

Great post and absolutely nailed it.

It's a college offense...plain and simple. Most of his passing plays are plays designed to get one receiver the ball while the others take part in blocking and/or decoying. The roll plays to the right you highlighted are horrendous b/c, like you noted, the "other" guys were used to draw attention away from the one-and-only Crabtree target (unless he plans to throw across his body on the move while on a design run) and when he was covered tight/physical by the DB, CK was screwed with no real other options other than running into on-coming traffic at mach-speeds; but no real receiving option.

This is why iI call this the Anti-WCO. The WCO has multiple receiving options built into each play design (whether on the move or not) from deeper routes, to intermediate (TE's) to shorter, safety-valve routes (RB's). When was the last time you saw a swing pass, a pass to Gore/James behind the DL, a pass to VD/Walker who drop down in the soft zones after looking off a post pattern to Moss/Crabtree?

And aside from the a few wham blocks and wheel routes, does he EVER go back to what's working? Remember the fly-sweeps last year, the roll right, toss backs to VD wide open, reverses, seam routes to VD, etc.?
[ Edited by NCommand on Feb 4, 2013 at 5:19 PM ]
Originally posted by Envy:
A first half that appeared to be nothing like I recognised before...

It looked like the Vickings game, both ram games, the seattle game, the giants game, the packer game, the falcon game,
The ball was in the air when bowman was still tackling roddy white, thats not really questionable though. Look a the replay of the crabtree play. Look at jimmy smith reaction to hitting the ground, He's begging for a call. He was pushed. Thats not really questionable either though. I'll leave you with a quote from torrey smith...

"I got grabbed and held all night and almost nothing got called. That's how it went. They just let us play. And that's what they did to the end"

On flacco's roll out from 3rd and goal on the 2 he was very clearly hit a good yard and half out of bounds by the 49ers lineman... they even showed a replay and pointed it out during the game.. That would of been first and goal from the 1 with a chance to seal it. They let the players play the game. It was a over all well called game. They let alot of things go but it was on both sides. If crabtree is called or smith is called or whatever it's not for sure they get a TD. If they do the ravens have plenty of time and a hot QB moving easily on that D and only in need of a FG. This game was called the same both ways.
[ Edited by andrewglass25 on Feb 4, 2013 at 5:26 PM ]
The last play call was a read option run.

Kapernick audibled when he saw man coverage to try for the fade....
Bill Polian is on "the game" 95.7 right now saying that that last play was defensive holding on Crabtree. Bill was part of defining penalties with the NFL.
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Originally posted by Leathaface:
Do you have any idea how unique of an offense he has built for us? Were those last 4 playcalls terrible? Yes. Is he still one of the best OCs in the NFL? Absolutely.

He's not going anywhere and I'm glad.

From just watching the game last night you think what the heck was Roman thinking with those last 4 plays .. But once you slow it down on replay, you notice that Kaep really miss played the 2nd and 3rd down plays. He had open receivers, he had Crabtree open to at lest set up an easy TD and had Walker open for a TD if he doesn't get rid of the ball so fast. I think a lot of 49ers fans just don't want to watch the post game stuff so they missed seeing those last four slowed down.
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Originally posted by dj43:
As I noted earlier; there was a reason why Roman did not get even a sniff of any of the HC openings this year. Other team's GMs can see what Harbaugh cannot...unless of course it is really Harbaugh that is making those calls. After all, he is the head coach and the "offensive guru."

He got plenty of sniffs and very well could have been hired if the Niners had lost against the Packers.

I must have missed that. Who was asking? I didn't hear of anyone.
Originally posted by andrewglass25:
The crabtree play was holding but they were letting them play most of the game, however crabtree very very clearly pushed off. At best it's offsetting penalties and they try again. Does that mean they score? David akers missed FG was a pretty big flop though and that directly added 3 points. The hold in the endzone is a saftey, nothing changes.

Correct me if I'm wrong, Didn't bowman basically tackle roddy white in the AFC championship game on the last play? Even inside 5 yards if it were you can't tackle a WR. No team always gets the bad calls.. it works both ways it really does.

i saw Crabtree push to get out of the hold

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Originally posted by SealTeam6:
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Originally posted by dj43:
As I noted earlier; there was a reason why Roman did not get even a sniff of any of the HC openings this year. Other team's GMs can see what Harbaugh cannot...unless of course it is really Harbaugh that is making those calls. After all, he is the head coach and the "offensive guru."

He got plenty of sniffs and very well could have been hired if the Niners had lost against the Packers.

Say what

He got p
Originally posted by SealTeam6:
Say what

Teams were interested in Roman, Jacksonville particularly and if they had an opportunity to talk to him they may have offered him a job.


All the opportunity they needed was to call and ask to interview him for HC. By league rule, no team may refuse to allow a coordinator to interview for a promotion. No one. So while there may have been something going on under the table, there was nothing very obvious.

EDIT: According to PFT, he didn't even get an offer from his old buddy in Jacksonville.
[ Edited by dj43 on Feb 4, 2013 at 5:35 PM ]
I know Roman's play calling was suspect at the end, but lets be honest, we lost the game in the 1st half. We ended up losing by 3 in the end and we would have been ahead had we not made those mistakes. LMJ fumble would have resulted in either 3 or 7 points, we were driving. Instead the Ravnes get the ball and score. The Kaep INT resulted in points for Ravens and then there was the Kickoff Return. All 3 resulted in points for the Ravens that were uncharacteristic moves by the Offense and Special Teams. So the defensive Secondary gets exposed due to the costly mistakes of the Offense/Special Teams. Not trying to shift the blame from Roman on the final drive, just stating an opposing view.
Interesting comments on the last four plays:
Originally posted by dj43:
I must have missed that. Who was asking? I didn't hear of anyone.

I heard that the Eagles and the Jaguars were both interested.
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1. Mike Pereira ‏@MikePereira
In the melee, 29 is lucky he did not get flagged and easily could have been ejected. He shoved the Linesman.

2. Mike Pereira ‏@MikePereira
On Jacoby Jones kick return there is no holding on a double team block unless the defender is taken to the ground. He wasn't.

3. Mike Pereira ‏@MikePereira
Reed was not offisde on the try. He moved forward just as the ball was being snapped. Perfectly timed.

4. Didn't even see it happen. No idea.

5. Mike Pereira ‏@MikePereira
Tough play that is real close both ways. Good job not calling anything.

Agree with Sims. There is a quick grab and a pushoff. Not one that is going to be called. Nothing obvious in real time

6. Either way the play is a safety, so better to hold player and waste more time.
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