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Originally posted by cciowa:
its not like we have not seen this s**t before from these two,, its not like some of us have tried to point out that roman has been a disaster. who gives a s**t about line scores and 300 yard passer and 100 yard rusher.. he blew the game last night, JH is lock step beside him to, no amount of spin can change the facts. the combonation the poster mentioned of the arrogance of the coach and the crap playing calling of roman is spot on,, but what the f**k we had a 300 yard passer last night so its all good

I have seen enough Niner games over the past decade to know that we have it pretty good with Roman and I am excited to see what he brings out next year with a full offseason to prepare for an offense led by Kaepernick.
The criticism of roman is over the top.
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by susweel:
fire Roman
this should have been done a long time ago but we just kept putting band aids on it with the wins vs the packers and atlanta,, all of the things we have struggled with this year starting with roman and ending with a s**tty pass rush and special teams bit us on the biggest stage of all last night. i hate romans f**king guts and what he did last night should make everyone of you puke your guts out

Do you have any idea how unique of an offense he has built for us? Were those last 4 playcalls terrible? Yes. Is he still one of the best OCs in the NFL? Absolutely.

He's not going anywhere and I'm glad.
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by dmax:
ALSO..WHY THE F DO U YOU CALL A ROLLOUT..YOU TAKE HALF THE FIELD AWAY

HARBAUGH'S ARROGANCE AND ROMAN'S CRAP PLAYCALLING ON THE FINAL PLAY'S COST US ANOTHER TITLE

Agreed. He's been calling plays like this in the RZ all year...the receiver 95% of the time runs SHORT of the EZ and hopes to get RAC and score. The fade is a good call on first down...but never in this situation...esp. to Crabtree. That play has only worked one time and that was with Alex throwing it against the Cardinals and even THAT was barely caught inside the EZ.

its not like we have not seen this s**t before from these two,, its not like some of us have tried to point out that roman has been a disaster. who gives a s**t about line scores and 300 yard passer and 100 yard rusher.. he blew the game last night, JH is lock step beside him to, no amount of spin can change the facts. the combonation the poster mentioned of the arrogance of the coach and the crap playing calling of roman is spot on,, but what the f**k we had a 300 yard passer last night so its all good

Two 100 yards from receivers another hundo for Gore, and 300 passing from our QB and we lost? You have to work hard to make that s**t happen. It's unreal really that those stats were put up and we lost. How bad do you have to beat yourself to lose when your team plays like that?
Lack of pass rush. Smith's injury hurt the whole defense. The ravens were actually running at him yesterday. Justin before injury was a monster in the pass rush. Justin post injury was a non factor in the pass rush.

The DL is the weak link of the defense. Soap and Mcdonald benefit more from Justin than Aldon or any other LB.
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by susweel:
fire Roman
this should have been done a long time ago but we just kept putting band aids on it with the wins vs the packers and atlanta,, all of the things we have struggled with this year starting with roman and ending with a s**tty pass rush and special teams bit us on the biggest stage of all last night. i hate romans f**king guts and what he did last night should make everyone of you puke your guts out

As I noted earlier; there was a reason why Roman did not get even a sniff of any of the HC openings this year. Other team's GMs can see what Harbaugh cannot...unless of course it is really Harbaugh that is making those calls. After all, he is the head coach and the "offensive guru."
Roman, for all his creativeness with the run game and pistol formation, absolutely sucks donkey nuts with RZ playcalling. He sucked last year and He sucked this year. As a team, we went 2-6 in the RZ yesterday...obviously, we needed only one more TD to win the game. That's unacceptable. The OL dominated the 4th quarter, and Gore had about 60 yards on just 2 carries alone. We have the much ballyhooed jumbo package...the Ravens are on their heels, old-ass Ray is gasping for air and their without their biggest run defender. f**king motherf**king f**k!!!! Ngata even actually said he was surprised they didn't run there.

I was so confident we were going in for the TD. We had them on their heels, all the mo', everything. Gore was working it and the OL was mauling everyone. We have CK7, the most dynamic running QB in the league. I was even OK with the first down play because we gained 2 yards from the 7. Do that 3 more times and you win the f**king bowl Roman. Can you do simple f**king math? We're at the 7. The chances they stop us in the backfield with the jubmo or read option is minimal. Get 2 yards/play 4 times and you win. 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 from the 7 = a f**king TD. And remember, running runs down the clock and/or forces them to use TOs so they have less of a shot to get down the field and kick a FG. Everything in that situation indicated that running was the best option. Regardless, it was time for Kaep to become legendary, by leading a late and potentially SB winning drive just like the one, only, real Joe Cool (it makes me sick to see Flacco being compared with Montana for all-time great postseason and stealing his nickname to boot)

Instead, Roman's playcalling will go down in infamy (and Harbs isn't without blame either). His play calls on 2nd, 3rd, and 4th down were literally the worst possible play call for the game and time situation. Even if we had somehow come down the the fade route, BAL would have had just under 2 minutes left and I believe all 3 of their TOs--more than enough time to kick the tie or winning FG based on how well they'd moved the ball all game long.

But let's start with 2nd down. Prior to the play, I believed we were going into the endzone. We been killing them in the 4th quarter and gotten all the way down to the five yard line in 6 plays. Then we call a semi sprint option that effectively eliminates an entire half of the field. You don't do that in the RZ. In already close quarters you only limit your playing area more. I understand giving Kap the opportunity to run, and it did look like he would have at least gained positive yardage had he decided to do so. As it was, he ended up having a one WR route to the front corner of the endzone with defenders everywhere--not a high percentage play.

After seeing what Roman had called, I had the all-too-familiar feeling to yet another RZ f**k up--we've seen his RZ ineptitude so many times. And what's so frustrating is he called a fantastic counter play to Gore for a TD. He's got these plays in his pocket, but he went full retard in the biggest moment. I don't necessarily buy that they decided to go pass-pass-pass to make Kaep the star and prove a point, but he outsmarted himself by trying to counter what he thought the D would be doing.

That said, the original 3rd down play probably would have worked...it was designed QB run around the tackle, like the AS play. Unfortunately, as we've seen time and again we were unable to get it off in time. Now, Harbs should not have called his TO. As I saw the clock running down, I felt like it might actually be a positive thing since we gained more area to work with and would open up more space for Kaep to scramble should his WRs/TEs be covered. Instead, Jim panicked and called a TO, effectively ending the game in the event we were unable to score, which ultimately came to pass. For me, the 3rd down play was the worst of the bunch. A quick out route to Crab tree several yards short of the goalline. It really had no chance, as you know defenders will be crashing down on the play. What's frustrating is watching the replays, we see an open VD across the middle and a running opportunity for Kaep around the edge. It was, without question, the worst of the bunch. An odd formation we haven't used very much, Kaep under center, split backs...I knew it had no chance the moment they lined up.

Fourth down and it all comes down to this. I don't know if we had an original play called and audibled to the fade route or what, but at that point the D knows its a passing situation since we didn't run on the prior two plays. It's a tough situation to be in in any game, let alone the SB, and Roman/Harbs and them alone put us in it with terrible playcalling/game management on 2nd and 3rd downs. Gore, who's usually so reliable in pass protection, went the wrong way (which has to do with the communciation issues and I think the newness of the pistol scheme as we've seen people go the wrong way a couple of times) and Kaep had to make a desperation heave for Crabs. There was obvious holding, and we should have had the ball at the one, but it's an incredibly low percentage throw...A 50/50 play.

Making matters all the more frustrating is that, even having decided to go pass/pass/pass, we never once looked for VD, Moss, or Walker--all great weapons who (VD and Walker) had played a fantastic game up until that point. I understand Crabs was beasting late and has become an absolute monster the last half of the season, but we have other legitimate, highly skilled weapons as well. Davis and Moss are both they type of huge bodied guys that teams look for in the RZ. Rather, Roman called 2 pass plays (2nd and 4th downs) that were effectively one WR routes and on 3rd down a poor route combination out of a near formation look when Kaep is obviously more comfortable out of the gun or pistol--and which allows him more time/space to read the defense and tuck and run if need be. There was no chance for a goalline play action--which tend to be quite effective--because we showed no inclination of running. Everything was panicked and hurried on those final 3 plays--much like how the Ravens were last year when they missed the kick against NE.

Sorry for the freaking book guys. I'm glad to be here on the zone commiserating with all of you, as bad as that sounds. We're all true fans and truly know how crushing this loss feels. Unlike last year's loss, I'm not angry, just very, very down. I'll get over it, and I know I shouldn't be as emotionally invested in the team as I am, but the Niners are a huge component of my life. I, like you, have stuck with this team through thick and thin and yesterday really, really sucks. Other than the 87/88 Browns (the drive and the fumble) you'd be hard pressed to find another NFL fan base that has suffered more crushing consecutive postseason defeats than us. Hopefully we get in done next year, and we'll be a perennial contender as long as we have Harbs and Kaep but, once again, we choked away a golden opportunity for a championship.
[ Edited by merm49 on Feb 4, 2013 at 4:45 PM ]
Originally posted by jeff49:
Any other ideas, other than the intelligent Raven fan above?

Jeff49

What makes you think I'm a Ravens fan? Like the above poster said, what kind of answers did you expect? You know the answer, so why ask?

Just sick of the excuses being made from the officiating. It's not why we lost. We killed ourselves with countless mental errors. Sorry If I'm coming across as a jerk, but I'm a little frustrated with the loss.
I don't have any answers to your questions - which are valid.

I'm just movin' on and getting involved w/FA & the draft.
I can tell you why the flag for question number 6 was irrelevant.

A holding call in the endzone results in a safety. BAL didn't care about being flagged for that since they were going to take a safety anyways.

Why didn't any refs throw a flag? Who cares, the game was over.
Originally posted by sfninerfanMax:
Originally posted by 24plus25er:
Also I see a lot of people dogging Culliver but IMO he is one of the few CB's on our team who can consistently make plays on the ball deep down the field and he can play man pretty good. I think the only person at this point I would want removed from out secondary is Whitner, I don't think he brings anything special to our defense. We need someone special back their who can make a qb think twice before he lets a pass fly. Also the pass rush has NOT been helping our DBs at all. My only issue with the AJ Jenkins pick was the fact that front seven help was a bigger issue with Aldon moving to be a 3 down backer. Which personally I think we need to draft a three down olb and turn Aldon into a pass rush specialist again.

in Peter Kings Monday Morning QB he writes the ravens players after the game in their locker room were joking about Culliver's ineptitude.

Lol, like on the Jocoby Jones TD, where he made about 3 mistakes on one play. 1 got beat bad 2 didnt touch him( jumped over him instead) 3 didnt tackle him when he got up. Chris Culliver was clearly distracted, and basically self destructed on us. He has been alive long enough to know that the quotes he made last week were totally wrong, and might of infected the whole team. He could be history, which a lot of people,NOT including myself wouldnt mind.
why does god hate us?
Originally posted by socalniner:
why does god hate us?

Because he only loves Ray Lewis.
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Lack of a pass rush, Flacco had all day to throw. If he gets pressured more the poor secondary play won't be as much as a factor. That 56 yard TD to Jones that came down like a punt was a combination of too much time to throw and horrible coverage, that one made me sick.
The thing about Roman is he is excellent at play design his problem is he is terrible at deciding which one of those plays to use at what time. Some drives you would think the play calling was brilliant but it's when things get intense and the pressure is on that he makes those rash play calls that royally f**k us.

I am not as opposed to passing the ball in the red zone as most of you but before it came to fourth down we should have at the very least attempted to get something from Gore. I understand passing the ball on 4th down as you really have no other choice but jesus we had them worn out we could have punched it in there easily but instead we go pass when their defense only has to cover 5 yards?

I don't know if I will ever get over this one. We had it right in our hands I was ecstatic at the end of the drive I knew we would win it. Then came our horrible 49er rip your heart out of your chest luck.
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Originally posted by Leathaface:
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by susweel:
fire Roman
this should have been done a long time ago but we just kept putting band aids on it with the wins vs the packers and atlanta,, all of the things we have struggled with this year starting with roman and ending with a s**tty pass rush and special teams bit us on the biggest stage of all last night. i hate romans f**king guts and what he did last night should make everyone of you puke your guts out

Do you have any idea how unique of an offense he has built for us? Were those last 4 playcalls terrible? Yes. Is he still one of the best OCs in the NFL? Absolutely.

He's not going anywhere and I'm glad.
well that makes two of you. it does not bother you that he blew the game and cost us a ring more than any non call on a non catchable ball ever did