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49ers Offense -- The Pistol portion -- Explained by Chris Ault on NFLN

Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Mangini and and Mike from Mike and Mike provided an interesting way to stop it. You know how a few times the DE was standing there staring at Kaep after the handoff? Well, Mangini said you don't have the DE make a read. You have him go full speed at the QB and hit him as hard as you can and completely ignore the hand-off to the RB.

You do that a few times and that QB's head coach will call it less in order to not put his QB in a position to get injured.

Mangini is right, that is a free hit on the QB and it would be legal considering the threat of the QB running.
and he is 100% correct, if each defender hits their man you stop the play from developing

damn if Mangini was this smart he'd probably have in the NFL still
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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Well, that is the way to stop the read option, you beat the crap out of the quarterback until he can barely stand up.....and then teams have the crazy tendency to just not use it anymore.

No that is how you stop ANY quarterback.
Originally posted by sincalfaithful:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Mangini and and Mike from Mike and Mike provided an interesting way to stop it. You know how a few times the DE was standing there staring at Kaep after the handoff? Well, Mangini said you don't have the DE make a read. You have him go full speed at the QB and hit him as hard as you can and completely ignore the hand-off to the RB.

You do that a few times and that QB's head coach will call it less in order to not put his QB in a position to get injured.

Mangini is right, that is a free hit on the QB and it would be legal considering the threat of the QB running.
and he is 100% correct, if each defender hits their man you stop the play from developing

damn if Mangini was this smart he'd probably have in the NFL still

meh. mangini was always a smart X's and O's guy, but that's about it. he's to mellow and soft to be a successful NFL head coach.
Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by jreff22:
and he is 100% correct, if each defender hits their man you stop the play from developing


If you have the OLB, DE, and CB coverage down on the run and take out the RB the QB has nobody to pitch to. Remember in the pistol we only have 2 WR's on the field, if you bring one of the safetys down to cover you can use the CB to push the play inside and use the OLB to gun for the RB.
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Originally posted by jreff22:
If you have the OLB, DE, and CB coverage down on the run and take out the RB the QB has nobody to pitch to. Remember in the pistol we only have 2 WR's on the field, if you bring one of the safetys down to cover you can use the CB to push the play inside and use the OLB to gun for the RB.

Then that leaves the pass open.
Originally posted by sincalfaithful:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Mangini and and Mike from Mike and Mike provided an interesting way to stop it. You know how a few times the DE was standing there staring at Kaep after the handoff? Well, Mangini said you don't have the DE make a read. You have him go full speed at the QB and hit him as hard as you can and completely ignore the hand-off to the RB.

You do that a few times and that QB's head coach will call it less in order to not put his QB in a position to get injured.

Mangini is right, that is a free hit on the QB and it would be legal considering the threat of the QB running.
and he is 100% correct, if each defender hits their man you stop the play from developing

damn if Mangini was this smart he'd probably have in the NFL still

on paper it makes sense but actually having the players to do it is the hard part. I would say we have the LB's to do it because both Willis and Bowman are fast enough to break down on the play....even Goldson has enough speed to contain the play at the line of scrimmage.

But like I said you need to players to be able to do it. Or you play a team like Sea that will just play dirty and look to take guys out.
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I think the only way to stop it is to rush an extra man from the edge like a Safety or LB that goes straight for the QB, but Kaep is smart enough to chek out of the play call if he sees an extra man rushing.
Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by jreff22:
If you have the OLB, DE, and CB coverage down on the run and take out the RB the QB has nobody to pitch to. Remember in the pistol we only have 2 WR's on the field, if you bring one of the safetys down to cover you can use the CB to push the play inside and use the OLB to gun for the RB.

Then that leaves the pass open.

If the player is open......

All of this is predicated on the strentgh and speed of the D. If you can jam the WR long enough you can take him out of the equation. Its all a chess game and not many teams have the personnel to beat us at it. But if they can contain it or stop it, it takes a serious piece of our formula away.
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Originally posted by jreff22:
If the player is open......

All of this is predicated on the strentgh and speed of the D. If you can jam the WR long enough you can take him out of the equation. Its all a chess game and not many teams have the personnel to beat us at it. But if they can contain it or stop it, it takes a serious piece of our formula away.

Your acting like all this is specific to the pistol offense... When all the things you are saying can pertain to any offensive.
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Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by jreff22:
If you have the OLB, DE, and CB coverage down on the run and take out the RB the QB has nobody to pitch to. Remember in the pistol we only have 2 WR's on the field, if you bring one of the safetys down to cover you can use the CB to push the play inside and use the OLB to gun for the RB.

Then that leaves the pass open.

If the player is open......

All of this is predicated on the strentgh and speed of the D. If you can jam the WR long enough you can take him out of the equation. Its all a chess game and not many teams have the personnel to beat us at it. But if they can contain it or stop it, it takes a serious piece of our formula away.

That is the great thing about us though. We have a heavy playbook, we can line up and play the power running game and play action pass. Kaep can even drop back and be a passer and take off if things break down. We have way too much on film for the defense to prepare for it all.
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by jreff22:
If you have the OLB, DE, and CB coverage down on the run and take out the RB the QB has nobody to pitch to. Remember in the pistol we only have 2 WR's on the field, if you bring one of the safetys down to cover you can use the CB to push the play inside and use the OLB to gun for the RB.

Then that leaves the pass open.

If the player is open......

All of this is predicated on the strentgh and speed of the D. If you can jam the WR long enough you can take him out of the equation. Its all a chess game and not many teams have the personnel to beat us at it. But if they can contain it or stop it, it takes a serious piece of our formula away.

Yes but Kaep can also place the ball at the right spots when a player is not "open".
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Not knowing much about football, I would think that the pistol read option would be easy to defend. Here is how I would do it:

1. Always have the DE bite on the running back, i.e. give the QB the read to keep the ball. This basically let's the defense call the play in the huddle.
2. Now that you know that the QB is going to run with the ball, you now need a defender to cover the space that the DE vacated, whether that be a LB, Safety, or CB.
3. If neither side changes, you now get to hit the QB 20 times in a game.
4. Presumably, the QB will stop reading the DE, and now look to see if someone is filling in the space for the DE. But they don't have much time to read the defense, and it won't be the same player filling in the spot each time.
5. Presumably, the QB will stop trusting their read, and even some times when there is a vacant spot behind the DE, the QB will hand off to the RB anyway.

One other way I would defend the pistol read/49er version. Blitz to the left side of the line. They seem to usually run to the defense's left when they run the option.
Originally posted by Furlow:
Formation? It's our base offense. What happened to a return to the WCO? I want to see another 49ers HOF quarterback. That's not going to happen with this offense.

what are you f**kin stupid or something? if kaepernick has three years like his 9 starts have been he will be a legend
Originally posted by fryet:
Not knowing much about football, I would think that the pistol read option would be easy to defend. Here is how I would do it:

1. Always have the DE bite on the running back, i.e. give the QB the read to keep the ball. This basically let's the defense call the play in the huddle.
2. Now that you know that the QB is going to run with the ball, you now need a defender to cover the space that the DE vacated, whether that be a LB, Safety, or CB.
3. If neither side changes, you now get to hit the QB 20 times in a game.
4. Presumably, the QB will stop reading the DE, and now look to see if someone is filling in the space for the DE. But they don't have much time to read the defense, and it won't be the same player filling in the spot each time.
5. Presumably, the QB will stop trusting their read, and even some times when there is a vacant spot behind the DE, the QB will hand off to the RB anyway.

One other way I would defend the pistol read/49er version. Blitz to the left side of the line. They seem to usually run to the defense's left when they run the option.

The Rams did this pretty successfully. We adapted and started looping the fullback to take care of the safety and just letting the DE crash and take himself out of the play. Another counter is to pass as somebody has said before. It's definitely a better defense than what the Packers and Falcons were doing.
Originally posted by xtm059:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Formation? It's our base offense. What happened to a return to the WCO? I want to see another 49ers HOF quarterback. That's not going to happen with this offense.

what are you f**kin stupid or something? if kaepernick has three years like his 9 starts have been he will be a legend

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