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Dec 11, 2012 at 12:05 PM
Here's raw rushing performance per game by Gore, Hunter, James, and Jacobs combined. Note that in the home game vs. STL, the running game did much better under Kaepernick than Smith (Under Smith - -.204; under Kaep, .079):

Game Avg. Run EPA/P
GB 0.177
DET 0.053
MIN -0.219
NYJ 0.107
BUF 0.368
NYG -0.007
SEA 0.133
ARI -0.145
STL 0.062
CHI 0.051
NO 0.0375
STL -0.316
MIA 0.15
Dec 11, 2012 at 12:07 PM
Originally posted by hofer36:
"uh dude" ? look at the run game in smith's starts--not just one game dude, niners were on pace to set nfl record of 5.7 avg yards per carry---and i have heard broadcasters a number of times (collinsworth and moose johnston come to mind) observe after big gore runs that smith called the right play at the line (alot of times the wham blocking runs)...i havenet heard one broadcaster say that in any of kaerpnicks starts

That's because there's nothing else to talk about with Smith at the helm. In the one game where they both played, the running game did better under Kaepernick.
Dec 11, 2012 at 12:10 PM
Originally posted by TinyHandsBigHeart:
Hardly unbacked, since it is exactly what defenses have been doing. Both the Rams and Dolphins put 8-9 guys in the box and then just worked to force throws to the shorter routes and our offense had no answer for it.

Colin Kaepernick is leading the NFL in yards per attempt. He is also leading the NFL in air yards per attempt. No deep ball?

If you want to look at % of passes that travel 15 or more yards, Kaepernick is 12th in the NFL, but keep in mind that a lot of crappy and mediocre QBs are at the top of that list (e.g Brady Quinn) -- his % is 20.9%.

Alex Smith and the deep ball? Yeah, he's dead last in the NFL with only 13.8% of his passes traveling 15 yards or more.
[ Edited by nickbradley on Dec 11, 2012 at 12:13 PM ]
Dec 11, 2012 at 12:12 PM
Originally posted by nickbradley:
Colin Kaepernick is leading the NFL in yards per attempt. He is also leading the NFL in air yards per attempt. No deep ball?

He only has 1 pass attempt over 20 yards in the last 2 games (it was the one overtrown to Moss). Teams have adjusted to him.
[ Edited by TinyHandsBigHeart on Dec 11, 2012 at 12:13 PM ]
Dec 11, 2012 at 12:15 PM
Originally posted by TinyHandsBigHeart:
He only has 1 pass attempt over 20 yards in the last 2 games (it was the one overtrown to Moss). Teams have adjusted to him.

The completions to Delanie and Crabtree were 15 - 20 yards.
Dec 11, 2012 at 12:22 PM
kendall hunter being out has hurt us, once james gets up to speed we will be back to dominating
Dec 11, 2012 at 12:25 PM
Originally posted by 228niner:
kendall hunter being out has hurt us, once james gets up to speed we will be back to dominating

yep. It looks as if his cameo on Sunday helped out the running game a lot.
Dec 11, 2012 at 12:26 PM
Originally posted by nickbradley:
The completions to Delanie and Crabtree were 15 - 20 yards.

So? 2 intermediate range passes in a game and nothing over 20 yards. That's not going to strike fear in any defense. Especially when that was done against a defense already stacking 8-9 guys in the box.
Dec 11, 2012 at 12:35 PM
Originally posted by TinyHandsBigHeart:
So? 2 intermediate range passes in a game and nothing over 20 yards. That's not going to strike fear in any defense. Especially when that was done against a defense already stacking 8-9 guys in the box.

The play-by-play says that he threw 5 deep passes vs. Miami. out of 23 passes, one of which was a throw-away.

As a % of passes, that's near the top of the league.
Dec 11, 2012 at 12:36 PM
Not enough PA passes. If they used that more and made teams pay for it with passes down the field, that running game would be a lot more explosive IMHO.

Dec 11, 2012 at 12:38 PM
Originally posted by 602_JamestownAve:
Not enough PA passes. If they used that more and made teams pay for it with passes down the field, that running game would be a lot more explosive IMHO.

I think that (1) losing Kendall Hunter hurt and (2) our run game has been degraded a bit by people getting film on us. Everybody's doing wham blocks now. We're also playing better run defenses.
Dec 11, 2012 at 1:03 PM
Originally posted by nickbradley:
The play-by-play says that he threw 5 deep passes vs. Miami. out of 23 passes, one of which was a throw-away.

As a % of passes, that's near the top of the league.

I don't consider anything under 20 yards to be deep. He only attempted one deep ball and overthrew it. And no QB that that only threw for 183 yards on 23 passing attempts had a great day throwing the ball deep. The numbers don't lie. In his last 3 starts, Kaep has played under the level that Alex had played at over the course of the season in almost every passing category.
Dec 11, 2012 at 1:28 PM
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Brandon Jacobs is selling our run plays.
Dec 11, 2012 at 1:38 PM
Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
With the exception of the Saints, those are some very stout run D's ( yes even the Rams have good front 7). lets not forget that 4 yards per carry as an average is still more than respectable and bringing LMJ in to keep Frank fresh has already looked to be a big help. Despite the folks who seem to have decided the sky is falling and we suck all of the sudden because of a few shakey weeks...we are still first in rushing and looking good to stay that way through the rest of the season. I swear there are days I come in here and see more paniced people than a nuclear reactor meltdown.

This, all of it.
Dec 11, 2012 at 1:40 PM
Originally posted by nickbradley:
Originally posted by OKC49erFan:
What are these, and where do these come from?

They're commonly used; here's one source:

http://wp.advancednflstats.com/playerstats.php?pos=QB

Aw damn, that site is blocked... Would you mind explaining how they are calculated?
[ Edited by OKC49erFan on Dec 11, 2012 at 1:43 PM ]
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