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How good does your QB have to be to win a super bowl w/ a great defense and running game?

Originally posted by nickbradley:
Originally posted by Axl49:
MUCH MUCH greater accuracy.

How so? The data says that in his super bowl years (92-95), he had a completion % of 65.5%. Smith? 63%

20 years later
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
20 years later

The league-wide QB rating is only 4% higher today then back then.

Its not like Troy Aikman was playing before the Mel Blount Rule...

(by the way, was the Mel Blount Rule suspended last night?)
Originally posted by nickbradley:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
20 years later

The league-wide QB rating is only 4% higher today then back then.

Its not like Troy Aikman was playing before the Mel Blount Rule...

(by the way, was the Mel Blount Rule suspended last night?)

BRADLEY STOP..................all your doing in here is beefing up your thread count...........
Cross era comparisons like this are absurd, especially at the QB position.
  • Axl49
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Originally posted by nickbradley:
Originally posted by Axl49:
MUCH MUCH greater accuracy.

How so? The data says that in his super bowl years (92-95), he had a completion % of 65.5%. Smith? 63%

Data doesnt do justice on how Aikman was known for putting the ball on the money where not a lot DB could get to it. Go look at some footage. Stats aren't everything believe it or not. I support Smith but too am getting impatient like the rest of the fans. Lets hope he learns and comes back after bye week strong.
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Cross era comparisons like this are absurd, especially at the QB position.

You can adjust for league-wide averages!
Originally posted by Axl49:
Data doesnt do justice on how Aikman was known for putting the ball on the money where not a lot DB could get to it. Go look at some footage. Stats aren't everything believe it or not. I support Smith but too am getting impatient like the rest of the fans. Lets hope he learns and comes back after bye week strong.

Do you have any evidence are you just making stuff up?
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Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Cross era comparisons like this are absurd, especially at the QB position.
And as much as I hate Cowboys, old, current and future trying to compare Aikman to Smith is laughable. If you want to talk about lower rung Qbs winning Super Bowls your subjects should be Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer and Mark Rypien, not Troy Aikman.
Originally posted by Tru2RedNGold25:
BRADLEY STOP..................all your doing in here is beefing up your thread count...........

Why? because you don't like the fact that

1. Smith and Aikman are statistically identical

2. Smith has more comebacks per opportunity than Troy Aikman

?
Originally posted by nickbradley:
Originally posted by Tru2RedNGold25:
BRADLEY STOP..................all your doing in here is beefing up your thread count...........

Why? because you don't like the fact that

1. Smith and Aikman are statistically identical

2. Smith has more comebacks per opportunity than Troy Aikman

?

NB, go back to the 50's era...you can make AS look like GOD
Originally posted by nickbradley:
Yes he does - his name is Alex Smith.

Its obvious you aren't old enough to remember Troy Aikman and you are simply and exclusevly looking at regular season numbers so let me fill you in. Troy Aikman never missed his receiver when he had his corner beat. Never. I don't care what the numbers tell you, Troy Aikman is a HOF player and was one of the most accurate QBs in the game when the rules favored the defense more, he could actually be hit in the pocket and he had to compete against guys like Young, Marino, Elway, Kelly, and Farve. Alex Smith has had a handful of good games in 8 years. Give me a f**king break.
[ Edited by DirtyP on Oct 19, 2012 at 1:02 PM ]
  • Axl49
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Originally posted by nickbradley:
Do you have any evidence are you just making stuff up?

Youtube his highlights or ask you family for recorded games. There is a reason they owned our asses in the 90s.
Originally posted by nickbradley:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Cross era comparisons like this are absurd, especially at the QB position.

You can adjust for league-wide averages!

League wide averages include terrible QBs that are irrelevant in a discussion of QBs that are capable of winning a Super Bowl.

For example, Drew Brees is the the 13th rated QB in the NFL, with a rating of 90.7. You know where that would have ranked him 20 years ago? 2nd in the league. There's been a significant change in the passing game in the last 20 years. Alex is stylistically similar to Aikman, but Aikman was a much better QB.

The fact that you have to go back at least 10 years to find an example of a QB that's comparable to Alex that won a SB should speak volumes.
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
League wide averages include terrible QBs that are irrelevant in a discussion of QBs that are capable of winning a Super Bowl.

For example, Drew Brees is the the 13th rated QB in the NFL, with a rating of 90.7. You know where that would have ranked him 20 years ago? 2nd in the league. There's been a significant change in the passing game in the last 20 years. Alex is stylistically similar to Aikman, but Aikman was a much better QB.

The fact that you have to go back at least 10 years to find an example of a QB that's comparable to Alex that won a SB should speak volumes.

Not only that but the rules on defense are completely different now. You can barely even touch the QB if he's in the pocket