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  • mayo49
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Still, #29 passing is pretty horrible. We have to get better if we're going to make any noise if we make the playoffs.
Originally posted by mayo49:
Still, #29 passing is pretty horrible. We have to get better if we're going to make any noise if we make the playoffs.

You are into stats too much. Honestly, I would prefer if we ran the ball more. F*ck passing yards.
Originally posted by sacniner:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Still, #29 passing is pretty horrible. We have to get better if we're going to make any noise if we make the playoffs.

You are into stats too much. Honestly, I would prefer if we ran the ball more. F*ck passing yards.

We need to work on the pass, if we don't then we will have a repeat of NFCCG
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by sacniner:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Still, #29 passing is pretty horrible. We have to get better if we're going to make any noise if we make the playoffs.

You are into stats too much. Honestly, I would prefer if we ran the ball more. F*ck passing yards.

We need to work on the pass, if we don't then we will have a repeat of NFCCG

Swain and Hastings aren't back....we are automatically 100000x better
Originally posted by mayo49:
Still, #29 passing is pretty horrible. We have to get better if we're going to make any noise if we make the playoffs.

Pick a stat that means more.
Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
Originally posted by dj43:
I think it is time for a reminder about coaching staffs and their duties:

First of all, the Offensive Coordinator is almost always the equivalent of the Chairman of the Board of Directors in most companies. He makes the big decisions, sets the direction, then relies on his underlings to carry out the specifics. The case is much the same in football. Other than in parts of the OTAs and TC, the OC is working with the position coaches so much of the time that there is little time to work with individuals on technique. Consequently, it is not accurate to say "Mike McCarthy did this, and Norv Turner has done that, etc..." The truth is, the 49ers were such a talentless, rudderless ship under McCarthy that there was little time to work with Smith, and it showed. Nolan looked at the offense as a necessary evil. Turner was a bit better and that example is telling. In just a short period of time, AS became a more effective player though not a great deal of technical improvement occurred. Part of that was scheme and part was the fact Norv did spend some time with Alex working on the fundamentals he had never been taught before. Martz is a schemer, not a technician. The rest of the OCs are forgettable.

Secondly, the most important person in terms of teaching technique to a QB is the QB coach, NOT THE OC. Here is where the real crime of Nolan/Singletary lie. At no time during those years did the 49ers have a QB coach who had actually played the position at any level since HS. Cincy was the only other team during those first 6 years that did not have a QB coach that had never played the position. I don't care how much football a guy has seen or played, if you haven't played the position, and understand the complexity of it and how the position needs to be viewed, you CANNOT coach the position effectively. It was AT THIS LEVEL that the 49ers did the greatest disservice to Alex Smith. Not until Mike Johnson arrived did Smith have an every-day tutor that had actually played the position and could teach it. It is IMPORTANT to note that Smith's turnaround started under Johnson. He improved in both technique and efficiency, though the technical improvements were not huge. All of which goes to show how important the position coach is to the individual player as opposed to just the OC.

Now Smith, and the 49ers, have something they have not had at any time during the Smith era; an offensive minded HC that has also played the position and hired position coaches with an established reputation of success in teaching technique as well as game plan. The result has been the best QB play since Jeff Garcia.

It is also important to recognize the efforts of the off-season in which the FO brought in 3 WRs via signings and the draft, and also drafted an explosive RB, which clearly show that the staff recognized a need to improve the receiving end of the passing game. Whether Peyton Manning had been signed or not, the FO had fully recognized that the WR corps was sorely lacking and new blood needed to be brought in. I'll leave the WR picture at this point as that topic has been well-covered in another thread. Suffice it to say, the 49er receivers are nothing special.

So before we go all crazy about switching QBs in the middle of a winning season, look at the bigger picture and realize that a QB switch at this point in the year would be ludicrous.

Masterpiece... was a pleasure.

Mike Johnson?
  • mayo49
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Originally posted by sacniner:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Still, #29 passing is pretty horrible. We have to get better if we're going to make any noise if we make the playoffs.

You are into stats too much. Honestly, I would prefer if we ran the ball more. F*ck passing yards.


I just want to win.
Originally posted by sacniner:
Originally posted by Joecool:
And after all this, Alex is still displaying the same mentality of what he doesn't like to do.

Sooner or later, after improving all the pieces around a player, that player must be held accountable for displaying the same traits he did when the talent around him wasn't as good.

He is held accountable. At Candlestick when he gets booed after throwing two incompletions in a row. Do you think our record would be better with Kaep? 6-1 or 7-0?

I don't give a crap if Kaep comes in or not. Did Walsh assume the team would not make it to another superbowl until 95 after trading Joe.

What is lame is all of these other reasons as to why Alex isn't doing this or that. He doesn't do this or that because that's how he plays. He's not going to light it up and he's not going to have a mental breakdown.

essays can be written as to who's coaching him, what minor weakness his WR's have or this or that...the end will have nothing to do with that. It will have everything to do with the main person involved and that's Alex Smith.
  • mayo49
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Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by sacniner:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Still, #29 passing is pretty horrible. We have to get better if we're going to make any noise if we make the playoffs.

You are into stats too much. Honestly, I would prefer if we ran the ball more. F*ck passing yards.

We need to work on the pass, if we don't then we will have a repeat of NFCCG


It's still amazing we were in that game with just one completion to a receiver.
  • mayo49
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Originally posted by Jakemall:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Still, #29 passing is pretty horrible. We have to get better if we're going to make any noise if we make the playoffs.

Pick a stat that means more.


What do you mean?
  • ImaMod
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Originally posted by mayo49:
Still, #29 passing is pretty horrible. We have to get better if we're going to make any noise if we make the playoffs.

Who cares
Lions are #2 in passing, Raiders are #9, colts are #11
all 3 will not make the playoffs
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by sacniner:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Still, #29 passing is pretty horrible. We have to get better if we're going to make any noise if we make the playoffs.

You are into stats too much. Honestly, I would prefer if we ran the ball more. F*ck passing yards.

We need to work on the pass, if we don't then we will have a repeat of NFCCG

Swain and Hastings aren't back....we are automatically 100000x better

on paper we are better, but not on the field
Originally posted by ImaMod:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Still, #29 passing is pretty horrible. We have to get better if we're going to make any noise if we make the playoffs.

Who cares
Lions are #2 in passing, Raiders are #9, colts are #11
all 3 will not make the playoffs

It means we are in deep s**t if our Defense or ST's has a bad day.
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by ImaMod:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Still, #29 passing is pretty horrible. We have to get better if we're going to make any noise if we make the playoffs.

Who cares
Lions are #2 in passing, Raiders are #9, colts are #11
all 3 will not make the playoffs

It means we are in deep s**t if our Defense or ST's has a bad day.
we dont have to be the best in passing but at least be a middle man in the league
  • mayo49
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Originally posted by ImaMod:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Still, #29 passing is pretty horrible. We have to get better if we're going to make any noise if we make the playoffs.

Who cares
Lions are #2 in passing, Raiders are #9, colts are #11
all 3 will not make the playoffs


Man, worst then Lions and Raiders? What till they start stacking the box on our 30 year old RB, because we can't throw.