quarterback controversy

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by mayo49:
#29?

Seriously. Major changes have to be made. I don't give a damn if we are 5 and 2 and in first place. Put in Kaep immediately! We would be 6 and 1 if that dude was playing.

That's a little extreme, sac. Let the process play itself out.

I know man. I'm making really bad sarcastic jokes. It's so bad that people actually believe me.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by mayo49:
#29?

Seriously. Major changes have to be made. I don't give a damn if we are 5 and 2 and in first place. Put in Kaep immediately! We would be 6 and 1 if that dude was playing.

That's a little extreme, sac. Let the process play itself out.

SAC is right, if CK7 comes in..we will be the first team to win two SB trophies in one year

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by mayo49:
#29?

Seriously. Major changes have to be made. I don't give a damn if we are 5 and 2 and in first place. Put in Kaep immediately! We would be 6 and 1 if that dude was playing.

That's a little extreme, sac. Let the process play itself out.

SAC is right, if CK7 comes in..we will be the first team to win two SB trophies in one year

Lol, hell yeah. CK7 is fast. The pistol offense has a great history in the NFL. Not sure why Harbs isn't running that with Kaep.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by mayo49:
#29?

Seriously. Major changes have to be made. I don't give a damn if we are 5 and 2 and in first place. Put in Kaep immediately! We would be 6 and 1 if that dude was playing.

That's a little extreme, sac. Let the process play itself out.

SAC is right, if CK7 comes in..we will be the first team to win two SB trophies in one year

What's even more impressive is that all of his big throws will be made throwing in triple coverage

Originally posted by HoneyBadger49er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by mayo49:
#29?

Seriously. Major changes have to be made. I don't give a damn if we are 5 and 2 and in first place. Put in Kaep immediately! We would be 6 and 1 if that dude was playing.

That's a little extreme, sac. Let the process play itself out.

SAC is right, if CK7 comes in..we will be the first team to win two SB trophies in one year

What's even more impressive is that all of his big throws will be made throwing in triple coverage

The NFL will skip a year to learn how to defend against Kaep

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by mayo49:
#29?

Seriously. Major changes have to be made. I don't give a damn if we are 5 and 2 and in first place. Put in Kaep immediately! We would be 6 and 1 if that dude was playing.

That's a little extreme, sac. Let the process play itself out.

SAC is right, if CK7 comes in..we will be the first team to win two SB trophies in one year

Give it the rest of the season. If we miss the playoffs with Alex, it's Kap's team next year.

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by kidash98:

Damn glad you're not the coach of this team.

Really.

- 98

Did you see that one pass Kaep made? Granted Manningham was wide open and it was behind him, but wow. Based on that one pass, he should be playing. I think he is ready. And he is fast.

I rest my case...

Not trying to rag on you bro cuz I, too, want Kaep to succeed in the long run, but if our coach doen't think he's ready, then why create a controversy when there is none to begin with? Ask any coach, present or otherwise, if it is wise to change a QB midseason when a team has a winning record and most, if not all, will say that it's not! I can understand if we are losing but 5-2 and 1st in our division???

- 98

Originally posted by dj43:
I think it is time for a reminder about coaching staffs and their duties:

First of all, the Offensive Coordinator is almost always the equivalent of the Chairman of the Board of Directors in most companies. He makes the big decisions, sets the direction, then relies on his underlings to carry out the specifics. The case is much the same in football. Other than in parts of the OTAs and TC, the OC is working with the position coaches so much of the time that there is little time to work with individuals on technique. Consequently, it is not accurate to say "Mike McCarthy did this, and Norv Turner has done that, etc..." The truth is, the 49ers were such a talentless, rudderless ship under McCarthy that there was little time to work with Smith, and it showed. Nolan looked at the offense as a necessary evil. Turner was a bit better and that example is telling. In just a short period of time, AS became a more effective player though not a great deal of technical improvement occurred. Part of that was scheme and part was the fact Norv did spend some time with Alex working on the fundamentals he had never been taught before. Martz is a schemer, not a technician. The rest of the OCs are forgettable.

Secondly, the most important person in terms of teaching technique to a QB is the QB coach, NOT THE OC. Here is where the real crime of Nolan/Singletary lie. At no time during those years did the 49ers have a QB coach who had actually played the position at any level since HS. Cincy was the only other team during those first 6 years that did not have a QB coach that had never played the position. I don't care how much football a guy has seen or played, if you haven't played the position, and understand the complexity of it and how the position needs to be viewed, you CANNOT coach the position effectively. It was AT THIS LEVEL that the 49ers did the greatest disservice to Alex Smith. Not until Mike Johnson arrived did Smith have an every-day tutor that had actually played the position and could teach it. It is IMPORTANT to note that Smith's turnaround started under Johnson. He improved in both technique and efficiency, though the technical improvements were not huge. All of which goes to show how important the position coach is to the individual player as opposed to just the OC.

Now Smith, and the 49ers, have something they have not had at any time during the Smith era; an offensive minded HC that has also played the position and hired position coaches with an established reputation of success in teaching technique as well as game plan. The result has been the best QB play since Jeff Garcia.

It is also important to recognize the efforts of the off-season in which the FO brought in 3 WRs via signings and the draft, and also drafted an explosive RB, which clearly show that the staff recognized a need to improve the receiving end of the passing game. Whether Peyton Manning had been signed or not, the FO had fully recognized that the WR corps was sorely lacking and new blood needed to be brought in. I'll leave the WR picture at this point as that topic has been well-covered in another thread. Suffice it to say, the 49er receivers are nothing special.

So before we go all crazy about switching QBs in the middle of a winning season, look at the bigger picture and realize that a QB switch at this point in the year would be ludicrous.

Masterpiece... was a pleasure.

Originally posted by HoneyBadger49er:

If anyone here is serious about replacing the QB when we're in 1st place in our division, won 5 out of 7 games so far then it is my (possibly warnable) opinion that you just might be a f**king idiot.


Jim Harbaugh drafted Colin Kaepernick to be his QB, and he will be the QB when Jim Harbaugh think's he is good and ready, until then, Alex Smith is our BEST option at QB, I don't give a s**t what anyone says, you just don't replace the QB when you're 5-2 and in 1st place coming off a 13-3 season.

This is just beyond ridiculous now, it's like some of ya'll are just sitting there waiting for him to fail, which in return will cause the team to fail in mid season, seriously, sports writers have warped some of your brains, it's getting borderline pathetic

It's not as crazy as cutting your QB after winning a Superbowl. That's what the Ravens did with Dilfer. Smith's career has pretty exacted his so far. Anyway, thats another topic and nothing worth arguing about.

If we struggle and start losing a few games, the switch wouldn't be that shocking. There's nothing wrong with fans wanting a playmaker at QB. Smith has been unspectacular for far too long. I want him to be elite too, but when he struggles, it's completely normal to want someone else to step up.

Smith is becoming great at not turning the ball over. That's wonderful when we're ahead and the defense is on it, but when we get behind, we're in trouble. The passing game has to evolve if we want to keep pace with the elite teams on a consistant basis.

You're right in saying that Harbaugh will make the switch when he feels Kaep is ready and with Jim gettin him on the field more this season, it seems that he's gain Harbaugh's trust. Personally, I think Kaepernick will get the keys in the offseason. I the move is made earlier, I can't saying that I'll be mad.

Originally posted by kidash98:

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by kidash98:
Damn glad you're not the coach of this team.

Really.

- 98

Did you see that one pass Kaep made? Granted Manningham was wide open and it was behind him, but wow. Based on that one pass, he should be playing. I think he is ready. And he is fast.

I rest my case...

Not trying to rag on you bro cuz I, too, want Kaep to succeed in the long run, but if our coach doen't think he's ready, then why create a controversy when there is none to begin with? Ask any coach, present or otherwise, if it is wise to change a QB midseason when a team has a winning record and most, if not all, will say that it's not! I can understand if we are losing but 5-2 and 1st in our division???

- 98

I totally agree with you. I was being sacrastic, but its hard to tell because some people really think this.

Originally posted by McLovinAlexSmith:
no team with passing game ranked that low will win a super bowl. Just look at the teams we have around us.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&offensiveStatisticCategory=TEAM_PASSING&conference=ALL&role=TM&season=2012&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=PASSING_NET_YARDS_GAME_AVG&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-n=1

I will see your total yard stat with a ypa stat and raise you a qbr stat.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/yardsPerPassAttempt

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&season=2012&seasonType=REG&akmobile=ios-tablet&offensiveStatisticCategory=TEAM_PASSING&role=TM&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-p=1&conference=ALL&d-447263-s=PASSING_PASSER_RATING

You still have not explained why you think we need to pass more yards.


Of the 27 QBs with more yards than Alex...16 of them had losing records...that means more of them are on losing teams and probably having to throw those yards in an attempt to come back...and they're still losers.

Of the top 5 yard gaining QBs in the NFL 3 of them had losing records. 2 good teams...that's it.



So tell me again why yards passing matter?

Originally posted by dj43:
I think it is time for a reminder about coaching staffs and their duties:

First of all, the Offensive Coordinator is almost always the equivalent of the Chairman of the Board of Directors in most companies. He makes the big decisions, sets the direction, then relies on his underlings to carry out the specifics. The case is much the same in football. Other than in parts of the OTAs and TC, the OC is working with the position coaches so much of the time that there is little time to work with individuals on technique. Consequently, it is not accurate to say "Mike McCarthy did this, and Norv Turner has done that, etc..." The truth is, the 49ers were such a talentless, rudderless ship under McCarthy that there was little time to work with Smith, and it showed. Nolan looked at the offense as a necessary evil. Turner was a bit better and that example is telling. In just a short period of time, AS became a more effective player though not a great deal of technical improvement occurred. Part of that was scheme and part was the fact Norv did spend some time with Alex working on the fundamentals he had never been taught before. Martz is a schemer, not a technician. The rest of the OCs are forgettable.

Secondly, the most important person in terms of teaching technique to a QB is the QB coach, NOT THE OC. Here is where the real crime of Nolan/Singletary lie. At no time during those years did the 49ers have a QB coach who had actually played the position at any level since HS. Cincy was the only other team during those first 6 years that did not have a QB coach that had never played the position. I don't care how much football a guy has seen or played, if you haven't played the position, and understand the complexity of it and how the position needs to be viewed, you CANNOT coach the position effectively. It was AT THIS LEVEL that the 49ers did the greatest disservice to Alex Smith. Not until Mike Johnson arrived did Smith have an every-day tutor that had actually played the position and could teach it. It is IMPORTANT to note that Smith's turnaround started under Johnson. He improved in both technique and efficiency, though the technical improvements were not huge. All of which goes to show how important the position coach is to the individual player as opposed to just the OC.

Now Smith, and the 49ers, have something they have not had at any time during the Smith era; an offensive minded HC that has also played the position and hired position coaches with an established reputation of success in teaching technique as well as game plan. The result has been the best QB play since Jeff Garcia.

It is also important to recognize the efforts of the off-season in which the FO brought in 3 WRs via signings and the draft, and also drafted an explosive RB, which clearly show that the staff recognized a need to improve the receiving end of the passing game. Whether Peyton Manning had been signed or not, the FO had fully recognized that the WR corps was sorely lacking and new blood needed to be brought in. I'll leave the WR picture at this point as that topic has been well-covered in another thread. Suffice it to say, the 49er receivers are nothing special.

So before we go all crazy about switching QBs in the middle of a winning season, look at the bigger picture and realize that a QB switch at this point in the year would be ludicrous.

And after all this, Alex is still displaying the same mentality of what he doesn't like to do.

Sooner or later, after improving all the pieces around a player, that player must be held accountable for displaying the same traits he did when the talent around him wasn't as good.

Originally posted by Jakemall:

Originally posted by McLovinAlexSmith:
no team with passing game ranked that low will win a super bowl. Just look at the teams we have around us.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&offensiveStatisticCategory=TEAM_PASSING&conference=ALL&role=TM&season=2012&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=PASSING_NET_YARDS_GAME_AVG&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-n=1

I will see your total yard stat with a ypa stat and raise you a qbr stat.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/yardsPerPassAttempt

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&season=2012&seasonType=REG&akmobile=ios-tablet&offensiveStatisticCategory=TEAM_PASSING&role=TM&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-p=1&conference=ALL&d-447263-s=PASSING_PASSER_RATING

You still have not explained why you think we need to pass more yards.


Of the 27 QBs with more yards than Alex...16 of them had losing records

Of the top 5 yard gaining QBs in the NFL 3 of them had losing records.



So tell me again why yards passing matter?

BOOM

Originally posted by Joecool:
And after all this, Alex is still displaying the same mentality of what he doesn't like to do.

Sooner or later, after improving all the pieces around a player, that player must be held accountable for displaying the same traits he did when the talent around him wasn't as good.

He is held accountable. At Candlestick when he gets booed after throwing two incompletions in a row. Do you think our record would be better with Kaep? 6-1 or 7-0?

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by HoneyBadger49er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by mayo49:
#29?

Seriously. Major changes have to be made. I don't give a damn if we are 5 and 2 and in first place. Put in Kaep immediately! We would be 6 and 1 if that dude was playing.

That's a little extreme, sac. Let the process play itself out.

SAC is right, if CK7 comes in..we will be the first team to win two SB trophies in one year

What's even more impressive is that all of his big throws will be made throwing in triple coverage

The NFL will skip a year to learn how to defend against Kaep