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Smith's limitations become more and more evident as the season goes on. Personally, I'm willing to take a step back to take two forward (possibly). There is no upside from here with Smith. The stuff he struggles with he always struggled with and you can't teach.

*He doesn't see the whole field

*He doesn't have good arm strenght (Thats why he throws deep rainbows instead of lazers down field)

* He's a poor decision maker when faced with multiple options.

* Below average pocket presense (not only does he turn his back to line of scrimmage when scrambling, he runs into the arms of the defense)


There is no doubt Kaep has the potential to become a turnover machine, but its also very possible he can put up points that Smith would never get. Kaep could be the next RGIII ( ) or the next Jay Cutler ( ). With that said, its up to the coaches to groom him in they way they want him to play.

I just dont see Smith doing anything that most QBs cant. So unless Kaep is below starting quality, he'll be just fine. Besides, dont you want to know what we have in him before next years draft? The window is always closing.
Originally posted by DirtyP:
Originally posted by sacniner:
I'm in the niner crowd homes. Like the entire organization since I was born. I have always cheered for the starting QB. Even when it was David Carr.

I've been a season ticket holder, was born and raised 20 miles for Candlestick and I was at the 1981 NFC championship game. That does not mean I have to be satisfied with everything the team is doing

You don't have to be satisfied but you should "support" what's going on.

If people really think CK and Alex are interchangable at this point and the outcomes would be a wash then why switch? Making a switch like that at this stage of the season when you are 5-2 is asinine. And very likely could lose the locker room.

Alex haters are just going to have to suck it up until Alex plays himself out of a job. All their b***hing and moaning won't bring about the change.
Originally posted by mullintrax:
Go look at all 6 of A Rods tds against Houston.. the receiver was covered tightly.on all but one of them.. Alex would had never thrown any of those because he's scared and doesn't trust his WR enough to let them make a play. he has hit his ceiling.. let him finish the year and unless we get at least as far as last year you start kaep next year. He's got the balls and arm.strength that Alex will never have... And as far as Nevada bias I went to.UNLV ans hated the guy for killing us for four years

Go look at Arods interception directly to Bowman. They were dowm only 8 cost them the game.

But that's different somehow.
Originally posted by sacniner:
Originally posted by sacniner:
Originally posted by fly15:
Originally posted by sacniner:
Dude, Oakland did a poll last night that got locked. There is no stinking controversy. Kaep is not ready, and hasn't proved that he is.

how do u know hes not ready?

He would be playing if he was. He has came in and looked worse than Smith. Harbs, Roman and the rest of the staff see him all the time and can evaluate talent better than us. Also, they dont give a s*it about Smith's feelings.

You can never bring any supporting evidence of what confidence you have in Kaep, why and what he has done to show you that. You'll just come with cheap one liners about Smith.

Where you at Fly?


I really give u credit for that faith on Alex after 8 malignant yrs, I really do
Originally posted by cciowa:
why? what have you seen from ck in his small body of work that tells you this? all i know from you is that you think ck would have hit moss for a score. i think it will take a little bit more than your foretelling of events that never occured to make a change oh and by the way you did mean that otherwise you would not have even brought that up. do not yell at me,, you are the one who said it,, i am just telling you why you said it

wtf...why what?

There's a reason I don't post much on here anymore people are all over the place here either total homers or haters.

Read what I said again, maybe get a parent to help you if you're still struggling. Alex Smith gives the 49ers the best chance to win right now because he plays safe. He won't throw the ball into tight coverage, he'll take the dumpoff if he feels guys aren't wide open deep. He'll take a sack instead of risking a throw. He's safe which tends to limit turnovers which helps teams win especially when they have a very good defense to work with.

That doesn't change the fact that Kaepernick has the tools you look for in a QB but he isn't on Alex's level in terms of reading defenses, knowing the offense, etc...obvious given this is his 2nd year vs Alex being a seasoned vet at this point.

The reason I mentioned the throw to Moss is because Kaepernick throws very well on the run. Only an idiot would assume I meant I want Colin to start because of one throw. The only reason i posted in this thread was because people can't just call it like it is, Alex supporters for some reason feel the need to dog Kaepernick and I think that's stupid. The guy is unproven but that doesn't mean he's terrible. It doesn't mean he's great either but nobody knows right now. He has great potential and he has all the physical skills a good QB needs. Once he's there mentally he could be an excellent player but RIGHT NOW...Alex Smith is the better guy for the team given their identity.

Take a look at Eli Manning. He makes throws that few coaches would advice but he takes risks, throws his receivers open and that leads to some huge plays. It also leads to turnovers sometimes and that's why the Giants are so inconsistent.

Kaepernick is that type of player - he's not a guy who will shy away from throwing into tight coverage and he'll take the shots. Alex Smith doesn't do that. But that means he's a better choice for this ballclub right now. He's not flashy but he's safe and he gets wins.

And lastly...don't make idiotic assumptions. I'm a big boy if I meant something I would say it.
[ Edited by genus49 on Oct 19, 2012 at 10:48 AM ]
Smith needs glasses, he can't see 5 yards down the field. Guy is not even an average QB.
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by cciowa:
why? what have you seen from ck in his small body of work that tells you this? all i know from you is that you think ck would have hit moss for a score. i think it will take a little bit more than your foretelling of events that never occured to make a change oh and by the way you did mean that otherwise you would not have even brought that up. do not yell at me,, you are the one who said it,, i am just telling you why you said it

wtf...why what?

There's a reason I don't post much on here anymore people are all over the place here either total homers or haters.

Read what I said again, maybe get a parent to help you if you're still struggling. Alex Smith gives the 49ers the best chance to win right now because he plays safe. He won't throw the ball into tight coverage, he'll take the dumpoff if he feels guys aren't wide open deep. He'll take a sack instead of risking a throw. He's safe which tends to limit turnovers which helps teams win especially when they have a very good defense to work with.

That doesn't change the fact that Kaepernick has the tools you look for in a QB but he isn't on Alex's level in terms of reading defenses, knowing the offense, etc...obvious given this is his 2nd year vs Alex being a seasoned vet at this point.

The reason I mentioned the throw to Moss is because Kaepernick throws very well on the run. Only an idiot would assume I meant I want Colin to start because of one throw. The only reason i posted in this thread was because people can't just call it like it is, Alex supporters for some reason feel the need to dog Kaepernick and I think that's stupid. The guy is unproven but that doesn't mean he's terrible. It doesn't mean he's great either but nobody knows right now. He has great potential and he has all the physical skills a good QB needs. Once he's there mentally he could be an excellent player but RIGHT NOW...Alex Smith is the better guy for the team given their identity.

Take a look at Eli Manning. He makes throws that few coaches would advice but he takes risks, throws his receivers open and that leads to some huge plays. It also leads to turnovers sometimes and that's why the Giants are so inconsistent.

Kaepernick is that type of player - he's not a guy who will shy away from throwing into tight coverage and he'll take the shots. Alex Smith doesn't do that. But that means he's a better choice for this ballclub right now. He's not flashy but he's safe and he gets wins.

And lastly...don't make idiotic assumptions. I'm a big boy if I meant something I would say it.

Can't dogg Kaep. but it's okay to dogg the starting QB?

Seriously!?!?!?
Originally posted by sacniner:
No, he got benched because we couldn't get a first down against Houston. You probalby forgot. Hill is a solid backup. Can win a few games, but not throughout a season. He couldn't have done with Smith did last year.

If you think Dilfer is better than Smith, that says a lot. The memories I have of Dilfer on SF are bad. Really bad.

You're showing your blind bias.

They seem pretty comparable to me

Dilfer 1 superbowl ring

Alex 0 superbowl rings

Dilfers best game with the 49ers, against the eventual NFC champion Cardinals of 2007

25 of 39, 256 yards, 2 TDs, No interceptions

Alex Smiths best game, against the NFC South Champ Saints of 2011

24 of 42, 299 yards 3 touchdowns and no interceptions


The difference? It took Alex Smith 8 years to play his best game as a pro
Originally posted by fly15:
Originally posted by sacniner:
Originally posted by sacniner:
Originally posted by fly15:
Originally posted by sacniner:
Dude, Oakland did a poll last night that got locked. There is no stinking controversy. Kaep is not ready, and hasn't proved that he is.

how do u know hes not ready?

He would be playing if he was. He has came in and looked worse than Smith. Harbs, Roman and the rest of the staff see him all the time and can evaluate talent better than us. Also, they dont give a s*it about Smith's feelings.

You can never bring any supporting evidence of what confidence you have in Kaep, why and what he has done to show you that. You'll just come with cheap one liners about Smith.

Where you at Fly?


I really give u credit for that faith on Alex after 8 malignant yrs, I really do

Exactly... your typical one sentence line about Smith. I think people assume it can't get worse with Kaep and want to put the kid in before he is ready. The reality is, it can get a lot worse. You don't try experiments with this type of team. We're too good.
Originally posted by JiksJuicy:
Go look at Arods interception directly to Bowman. They were dowm only 8 cost them the game.

But that's different somehow.

The difference is Aaron Rodgers will make up for it by throwing 45 touchdowns or more this year and Alex Smith will throw under 20.
Originally posted by LottOfDefense:
Smith needs glasses, he can't see 5 yards down the field. Guy is not even an average QB.

Alex Smith running tally: Stats after Eagles game in 2010. Now a complete 32 games or 2 full seasons worth of games. 32 Games, 883 Att, 558 Comp, 6406 Yards, 42 Tds, 13 INTs, 94.69 QB Rating.

I don't know what you consider average is but...
Originally posted by kingairta:
You don't have to be satisfied but you should "support" what's going on.

If people really think CK and Alex are interchangable at this point and the outcomes would be a wash then why switch? Making a switch like that at this stage of the season when you are 5-2 is asinine. And very likely could lose the locker room.

Alex haters are just going to have to suck it up until Alex plays himself out of a job. All their b***hing and moaning won't bring about the change.

I don't have to support s**tty QB play
Originally posted by JiksJuicy:
Can't dogg Kaep. but it's okay to dogg the starting QB?

Seriously!?!?!?

First of all I'm not dogging Alex. I'm calling it the way he is.

Kaepernick isn't proven and people are acting like he's Tim Tebow yet the kid hasn't had a chance to play as a normal QB. That's like someone saying AJ Jenkins is Rashaun Woods.
Originally posted by DirtyP:
Originally posted by JiksJuicy:
Go look at Arods interception directly to Bowman. They were dowm only 8 cost them the game.

But that's different somehow.

The difference is Aaron Rodgers will make up for it by throwing 45 touchdowns or more this year and Alex Smith will throw under 20.
one and done in the playoffs last year........"stats are for losers"
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Smith's limitations become more and more evident as the season goes on. Personally, I'm willing to take a step back to take two forward (possibly). There is no upside from here with Smith. The stuff he struggles with he always struggled with and you can't teach.

*He doesn't see the whole field

*He doesn't have good arm strenght (Thats why he throws deep rainbows instead of lazers down field)

* He's a poor decision maker when faced with multiple options.

* Below average pocket presense (not only does he turn his back to line of scrimmage when scrambling, he runs into the arms of the defense)


There is no doubt Kaep has the potential to become a turnover machine, but its also very possible he can put up points that Smith would never get. Kaep could be the next RGIII ( ) or the next Jay Cutler ( ). With that said, its up to the coaches to groom him in they way they want him to play.

I just dont see Smith doing anything that most QBs cant. So unless Kaep is below starting quality, he'll be just fine. Besides, dont you want to know what we have in him before next years draft? The window is always closing.

This!!