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This is NOT a GREAT TEAM in 2012.

For those that dont think that what the Niners did the past 2 weeks against the Bills and Jets... (As some here are saying yeah well BOTH those teams are horrible) Why arent they getting blasted that way on a weekly basis?
Everyone needs to chill the F' out. It's ONE bad game. The sky's not falling. It's not the apocalypse.

As for the Jets being an extremely bad team, that's why they've now blown out TWO teams. And the Bills just toppled the 4-1 Cardinals. When the 49ers play 49er football, this team is scary good. We got away from our identity against the Giants, trying to be all fancy. We need to get back to running the football. When Frank and Kendall have 12 rushes combined, we're not going to win ANY games. I promise you that.

Harbaugh and co. are smart. They'll realize that. In both of our games we've lost this season, we got away from our running game. We can't do that. Alex is a hell of a QB when he gets help from the running game and it's fun football to watch. However, if we start putting in Kaep everytime Alex makes a great play, I'm gonna turn off the TV.

Overall, our main problem last week was horrible coaching. They need to get their s**t together on this short week and get back to playing Niner football.

Go Niners!
Originally posted by SashRoxx-1:
For those that dont think that what the Niners did the past 2 weeks against the Bills and Jets... (As some here are saying yeah well BOTH those teams are horrible) Why arent they getting blasted that way on a weekly basis?

Great point. The Bills went INTO the Cardinals' house and beat them 19-16 in OT. That's a far cry from the 45-3 arse-whooping we gave them. They played tough... showed they can keep Fitzgerald in line.

The Jets just beat the dog-sh*t outta the Colts 35-9. You may say "well, it's just the Colts, yo"... but what did the Colts do the week before? They beat the GB Packers is what they did.

And all of this just comes back to what I was saying earlier. More so this season, teams are playing VERY inconsistently. We are seeing teams with surprising wins and losses every week. From one week to the next, it is "oh, this team is good.. but then bad... but then good.. but then bad."

So we have some great games against "bad" teams.. and those "bad" teams beat "good" teams.. and so on and so forth.

It's called "any given Sunday" and teams play great one week and crappy the next... it is what it is. We just gotta come out on the + side more times than not.
its time to fire everyone and start from scratch. No way this team is a 4-2 team. We got blown out and we suck. There isn't a good team in the NFL that hasn't loss a game therefore we arent good.
This season is going to come down to how the team plays in the division. I personally don't think the Rams are there yet. I think the Cardinals are terrible. Seattle scares me. I think 10 wins will take the division. That said, the 9ers have to get more consistent. The play and coaching was bad in both losses. I think they try and get too cute sometimes and then things start to snowball
We are on pace for the fewest sacks in 30 years (per Eric Branch). How disgraceful and pathetic is that? All those Ericson, Nolan, and Singletary years. Fangio should be full of shame!
[ Edited by zomg_its_ryan on Oct 16, 2012 at 7:31 AM ]
Originally posted by miked1978:
its time to fire everyone and start from scratch. No way this team is a 4-2 team. We got blown out and we suck. There isn't a good team in the NFL that hasn't loss a game therefore we arent good.

Of course everyone is overreacting, but doesn't it make you scratch your head how unprepared we were against the Vikings and the Giants? That's Nolan/Singletary unprepared...
Originally posted by zomg_its_ryan:
Originally posted by miked1978:
its time to fire everyone and start from scratch. No way this team is a 4-2 team. We got blown out and we suck. There isn't a good team in the NFL that hasn't loss a game therefore we arent good.

Of course everyone is overreacting, but doesn't it make you scratch your head how unprepared we were against the Vikings and the Giants? That's Nolan/Singletary unprepared...

I think it was more getting away from what we do well than being unprepared. However, I think being unprepared could play a big part of it as well.

You cannot give Frank and Kendall merely 12 touches and expect to win the game. Between the two, they should get 30ish touches every game. That's the only way we're going to win. I love Alex to death, but we're not going to win too many games by being a pass first offense. Alex is a great QB when he has help around him. To be honest, if we stick to our identity, there's no other QB I'd want under center than Alex. Just look at the first five games.
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Originally posted by zomg_its_ryan:
We are on pace for the fewest sacks in 30 years (per Eric Branch). How disgraceful and pathetic is that? All those Ericson, Nolan, and Singletary years. Fangio should be full of shame!

As I said before, teams have a blue print on the way the 49ers run there offense and defense. Last year it was a lock out year and they were the new guys on the block. Not anymore. Roman instead of sticking with what works, has decided to ruin the offense at times by moving away from the run, put in Kaep, doing stupid reverses and other cute s**t that won't work in the NFL. Fangio for his part, sticks to the same game plan whether it works or not.
Originally posted by Apone:
Originally posted by zomg_its_ryan:
We are on pace for the fewest sacks in 30 years (per Eric Branch). How disgraceful and pathetic is that? All those Ericson, Nolan, and Singletary years. Fangio should be full of shame!

As I said before, teams have a blue print on the way the 49ers run there offense and defense. Last year it was a lock out year and they were the new guys on the block. Not anymore. Roman instead of sticking with what works, has decided to ruin the offense at times by moving away from the run, put in Kaep, doing stupid reverses and other cute s**t that won't work in the NFL. Fangio for his part, sticks to the same game plan whether it works or not.

I agree with this. I like Kaep coming in once in awhile, like in redzone situations. He's a threat to both run and pass and will keep a defense honest one way or another. However, I do not like putting Kaep in after Alex is building some rhythm. Kaep should not see anymore than 5 snaps a game, if that. 2 or 3 is perfectly fine. This QB carousal is annoying as hell. Either stick with Alex or Kaep. No back and forth crap.
Originally posted by zomg_its_ryan:
We are on pace for the fewest sacks in 30 years (per Eric Branch). How disgraceful and pathetic is that? All those Ericson, Nolan, and Singletary years. Fangio should be full of shame!


We are also the number one ranked defense in the league. Sacks aren't everything.
The offense has been better, overall, than it was last year. The defense not quite as dominating, although they practically pitched shutouts in consecutive games. Special teams haven't been as good...I'm for benching Ginn...he's doing the same p***yfooting now he did two seasons ago. He'll head for the sideline instead of cutting it upfield. Let KW be the main man...he's up to it and has a ton more toughness than Ginn will ever have. The Giants beat us in every phase of the game...but, as pointed out, they are the defending champs for a reason...they're still a tremendous football team. Still, it's one game out of 16...it's actually a good thing we play Seattle on Thursday. There's no time to dwell on the Giants game...they have to get ready to face an aggressive 'Hawks team. I expect our lads to rebound...that's what they do in the face of adversity. No time to cry over spilled milk...need to regroup and beat Seattle. The other factor that's changed is the NFC West...much tougher competition this year from previous seasons. Whoever wins the division will really have to earn it...it starts Thursday night.
We're gonna beat Seattle, and everybody will know that it was because we put all the marbles on the table for them (due to a short week). -Losing to the Giants won't mean s**t if it means us beating the toughest division opponent early on at home four days later.

You win, you lose, you tie, and YOU DIE, but you gotta get back up and play the game. -Hate to use the Giants as an example, but they f**king couldn't win a single game against a quality NFC opponent until they faced their division opponents in the final weeks, and it sledded them into cruise control to the Superbowl.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
1) OLB Pass Rushers - Parys Haralson and Darious Fleming injuries - OLB debth is very thin. Our pass rushers don't get the same rotation that they did in the past. They are gassed and not as effective. We have a huge problem at OLB pass rusher I think. If we get another injury or somebody goes down we are in big trouble.

2) Special Teams - Not so special this year. We just had to have all that extra RB, WR and DL depth of guys who never play. Plus Brandon Jacobs, Jenkins and LMJ who don't play. And we absolutely had to keep Dixon. Who is buried so deep on the RB depth chart he doesn't contribute. To top it off he is a subpar, slow special teams guy. You can't tell me there wasn't room for Cartwright and Colin Jones both. Now we are paying the price big time. We are sorry we cut them both now. Akers who is normally rock solid has been in a terrible slump this year if you exclude the 63 yarder record. Other than that one I think he is far worse this year. Ginn has been hurt and hasn't had the explosive plays. We were a defense and special teams formula team last year. Our special teams dropoff has been one of the most dramatic I've seen in the NFL in years. From an A to a C- / D+ in one season. That's horrendous. It was partially why we won so many games.


3) QB Situation - Alex is good ahead with a run game and tremendous defense. But to put the game on his shoulders is tough. He has done it a few times. New Orleans in the playoffs, the Eagles last year, several other come from behind wins and a few in his career. But throw and throw and throw doesn't play to his strengths or the teams strengths. Kaepernick is a very raw 2nd year player who is not ready for full time duty. He makes some bad decisions which I think will put us in a bad position if he is the full time starter. It's still a QB driven league. And I just don't see either of them competing with Rodgers, Eli, Matt Ryan in the playoffs. What if we get behind? Alex once in a while has come from behind even in pressure situations like the playoffs. But not everytime. And no way I believe Kaep is ready in a playoff situation like that. Not even regular season.


4) Head Coach / Offensive Coordinator - Maybe they are overthinking this Kaepernick / Tebow Time thing. You just complete a 60 yard pass and you take your starting QB out to go to a QB rotation?.... Come on. You lost all your continuity with that. And got an 11 yard sack and made a FG attempt much harder. It just doesn't make sense. Too much QB rotation, double reverses, trick plays, gimmick plays. Our offense is best when we stick to the fundamentals.


5) Frank Gore - Why do we go away from him in so many games? It's just pass, pass, pass, and more pass. And look at the stat sheet and wonder why we didn't run Gore more? History has shown when we run Gore, control the clock, keep other teams on the bench, it helps our defense and our offense too. Our whole team is more of a powerhouse with that. I can't imagine why we go away fom it? It just doesn't make sense. Goes to coaching too. Maybe too much cute stuff. And not enough of what made us 13 - 3 last year.


6) Kaepernick - Hugely effective early in the year. It seems that the game film has caught up to him now. Teams gameplan for him now. And at least excellent defensive teams like the Giants have figured it out. I expect this effect to continue. He was unknown before. Now he is known. They have a gameplan and a strategy for him. His road will be much tougher now. Plus you could actually argue he messes up our continuity sometimes. Like complete a 60 yard pass, rotate the QB's. take an 11 yard sack and make a FG much tougher.


7) The 79 - 3 illusion - I think the Bills and the Jets are as bad as any teams you can meet. And we played them when they were playing especially bad. I don't read much into that at all. I think those are awful teams and the results may be overblown.


8) Accurate QB's who are moblie or have time to throw pick us apart - Our biggest problems were the Vikings and Giants. One being mobile. The other being one of the most accurate and underrated QB's in football despite winning 2 Super Bowls. I think this goes back to the OLB thinness and problems there. But we have seen we can be picked apart there.

This is just not a 13 - 3 good team. I think we can do pretty well. But the OLB pass rusher problems and huge special teams problems lead me to believe a lot more losses are coming. We can still run Gore a lot and play defense. But the thing is our defense is not quite as good this year IMO. Pass rushers at OLB are very thin. And our special teams which would win so many close games for us has dramatically dropped off. It's a bad special teams. It not only won't win games for us. It will lose them. The coaching is too gimmicky. Too many tricks and too much QB rotation. Pound Gore and play defense would be our best bet. But with our awful special teams and OLB being thin I don't think we are even as good at the basics. I'm not completely convinced we are even as good as 4 - 2. We might be a little worse than that.

Thanks for not being a Typical Homer I agree completely...
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by sacniner:
Talk about an overreaction. I bet a lot of Giants fans were saying stuff like this last year when they barely made the playoffs.

Guys, we got beat by the NFL champs. It's just one game. Keep it in perspective. We have a much more important game on Thursday.


We got wiped out by the Giants. It's not even as close as the score shows. We dropped off from 13 - 3. We aren't that good anymore. We can't play with the big boys.
A lot of hype has been publish as to how great the 49er's are and most of the players and fans believe it. But the truth of the matter is they are not able to come from behind once they are down a couple of scores often, and they DO struggle against good QB's who are able to scramble and find receivers downfield.

The defense were good as well as lucky last year but they were also unknown. However good opponents sooner or later will find ways to defeat any defense once they've played them a couple of times. This is why it's so hard to beat an opponent within your division.