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New York Giants show how to beat San Francisco 49ers @ NFL

Wut?
Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
Wut?

dude is just building up his post count like Valod used to ......but for different reasons.
The formula the Giants use is the same one any good team would use to beat another...they just executed. It's the exact same game plan as the NFCCG as well.

  • Take their best offensive weapon away (in our case, it's VD); he was doubled all day long and we ran the same routes (never adjusted to get him the ball).
  • Since most offenses are designed around timing, disrupt it. The Giants x2 now (plus Seattle & Vikings) use their secondary to play tight up at the LOS, be very physical and aggressive. Walker, Crabtree (again), etc. could do nothing. We don't used Gore/Hunter in the passing game. Moss in this case was barely targeted again (but once again, we beat them deep - VD in the NFCCG) and Manningham was our only other "weapon" but he struggles with finishing the catch.
  • Four-man pressure. If your DL can contain the run while still providing consistent pressure and containing the pocket, your secondary can roll more exotic coverages and take advantage of the pressure the front 4 will get.
  • On offense, if your QB is mobile and your receivers are good at ad libbing that's a bonus; if you can pound the rock consistently, great. Our secondary will play a mile off the outside WR's so just hit them all day and attack the middle of the field esp. in the RZ/EZ for TD's. Throw quick passes to the outside receivers on blitzes. They will be wide open d/t the secondary respecting your speed.
  • Simple. Not...very few teams can execute this perfect game plan to beat us convincingly. Very few match up well against us and play our style of offense and defense. The Giants have much more experience, better coaches, better game plans, make better in-game adjustments and know how to finish big games. Hats off to them. We have to beat the best to become the best. They just happen to match up perfectly against us. The good news is that there is still time to refine our skills and that goes for coaching as well and maybe next time, we'll execute better and stay with our game plan.
[ Edited by NCommand on Nov 5, 2012 at 7:12 AM ]
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
Wut?

dude is just building up his post count like Valod used to ......but for different reasons.
I thought our defense respected their running too much when we played them. It kept our pass rush not as potent as it can be because the guys were mindful of their run game the week before. Bradshaw just came off a 200yds performance against the Brown. The Giants running game is very average. In retrospect, they should kept presser on Eli more. I think that's what the Steelers did. Haven't really watched the game, but just looking at the stat line it seems the Steelers took care of the Giants running game then put pressure on Eli.

Then on offense we didn't run the ball enough. The Giants aren't very good against the run. They were terrible against he Eagles before they played us. They were still bad against the Browns the week before. Steelers ran the ball and mixed it up to get a win. Very frustrating game that we had against the Giants because you could see they aren't as good in so many games against other equal or lesser team than we have. Harbaugh said they had the wrong game plan. Hopefullly they get it right the next time.
[ Edited by qnnhan7 on Nov 5, 2012 at 7:22 AM ]
How to beat NYG if we face them in the play-offs this year? Run the ball down their throat and pass off of it, which takes time away from Eli, and stop their pathetic run game.
The 9ers didn't do that in the game weeks ago and loss big, blame the coaching staff on inserting the useless CK nonsense.

Look what Pitt did to them yesterday, run the ball down their throat, stop their pathetic run game in their own house and be physical with Eli and Cruz.
Eli 41.7% comp, 1 INT no TD, QBR 41.1
Originally posted by MrTruth:
How to beat NYG if we face them in the play-offs this year? Run the ball down their throat and pass off of it, which takes time away from Eli, and stop their pathetic run game.
The 9ers didn't do that in the game weeks ago and loss big, blame the coaching staff on inserting the useless CK nonsense.

Look what Pitt did to them yesterday, run the ball down their throat, stop their pathetic run game in their own house and be physical with Eli and Cruz.
Eli 41.7% comp, 1 INT no TD, QBR 41.1

This X1000! We cannot get away from our running game. RUN IT DOWN THEIR THROATS!! And no more "Wild Kap" please. I hope Roman and Harbaugh learned from this.
Originally posted by MrTruth:
How to beat NYG if we face them in the play-offs this year? Run the ball down their throat and pass off of it, which takes time away from Eli, and stop their pathetic run game.
The 9ers didn't do that in the game weeks ago and loss big, blame the coaching staff on inserting the useless CK nonsense.

Look what Pitt did to them yesterday, run the ball down their throat, stop their pathetic run game in their own house and be physical with Eli and Cruz.
Eli 41.7% comp, 1 INT no TD, QBR 41.1

Agreed! Running game is our strength on offense, make them stack the box to try and stop it. Then, PA pass with single coverage downfield. On D, be aggressive and blitz Manning and bump Cruz off the line, mess up their timing and they will not be a threat for a big play.
Can we all agree that Ahmad Bradshaw didn't do anything until the game was over and out of reach? These pundits are highlight watching pokes.
Originally posted by Mercuryspeed:
Can we all agree that Ahmad Bradshaw didn't do anything until the game was over and out of reach? These pundits are highlight watching pokes.

Agree.

Very frustrating that people don't see that....what was he, 11/35 yards or something like that before the game got out of hand?

BTW, that game had everything that could go wrong go wrong.....the Smith INTs, Cruz dancing in the end zone, Bradshaw with his annoying signature TD spike...100 yard rusher streak broken.

One thing I did notice was Giants fans complaining about Eli's 2nd half performance in that game (we broke his streak of 200+ yard games by limiting him to 193).......it was very Alex Smith thread like, complaining despite a big win.
Originally posted by NCommand:
The formula the Giants use is the same one any good team would use to beat another...they just executed. It's the exact same game plan as the NFCCG as well.

  • Take their best offensive weapon away (in our case, it's VD); he was doubled all day long and we ran the same routes (never adjusted to get him the ball).
  • Since most offenses are designed around timing, disrupt it. The Giants x2 now (plus Seattle & Vikings) use their secondary to play tight up at the LOS, be very physical and aggressive. Walker, Crabtree (again), etc. could do nothing. We don't used Gore/Hunter in the passing game. Moss in this case was barely targeted again (but once again, we beat them deep - VD in the NFCCG) and Manningham was our only other "weapon" but he struggles with finishing the catch.
  • Four-man pressure. If your DL can contain the run while still providing consistent pressure and containing the pocket, your secondary can roll more exotic coverages and take advantage of the pressure the front 4 will get.
  • On offense, if your QB is mobile and your receivers are good at ad libbing that's a bonus; if you can pound the rock consistently, great. Our secondary will play a mile off the outside WR's so just hit them all day and attack the middle of the field esp. in the RZ/EZ for TD's. Throw quick passes to the outside receivers on blitzes. They will be wide open d/t the secondary respecting your speed.
  • Simple. Not...very few teams can execute this perfect game plan to beat us convincingly. Very few match up well against us and play our style of offense and defense. The Giants have much more experience, better coaches, better game plans, make better in-game adjustments and know how to finish big games. Hats off to them. We have to beat the best to become the best. They just happen to match up perfectly against us. The good news is that there is still time to refine our skills and that goes for coaching as well and maybe next time, we'll execute better and stay with our game plan.

To your first bullet. There's also the making everything appeared covered strategy depending on the level of the QB and OL a team is playing against. You are correct, take away that first option but what a defense can do is disregard that first option after it is obvious you have fooled the QB. You show initial double and then have the underneath player veer off to another spot on the field.

This is what the NYG did on that interception to Walker. They showed double on the slot WR but then the DB veered off to another open spot as a floating defender.

This is where Alex not deviating or his lack of or inexperience or responsibility of post snap ability hurts him more than anything and this is why his mentality of not playing outside the design hurts. The "risky" or better QB's can make a defense pay for this.
[ Edited by Joecool on Nov 6, 2012 at 8:21 AM ]
I don't want to see a single pass next time we play them. Roman abandoned the run the last two times we played them and both were losses. I hope the third time is the charm.
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by NCommand:
The formula the Giants use is the same one any good team would use to beat another...they just executed. It's the exact same game plan as the NFCCG as well.

  • Take their best offensive weapon away (in our case, it's VD); he was doubled all day long and we ran the same routes (never adjusted to get him the ball).
  • Since most offenses are designed around timing, disrupt it. The Giants x2 now (plus Seattle & Vikings) use their secondary to play tight up at the LOS, be very physical and aggressive. Walker, Crabtree (again), etc. could do nothing. We don't used Gore/Hunter in the passing game. Moss in this case was barely targeted again (but once again, we beat them deep - VD in the NFCCG) and Manningham was our only other "weapon" but he struggles with finishing the catch.
  • Four-man pressure. If your DL can contain the run while still providing consistent pressure and containing the pocket, your secondary can roll more exotic coverages and take advantage of the pressure the front 4 will get.
  • On offense, if your QB is mobile and your receivers are good at ad libbing that's a bonus; if you can pound the rock consistently, great. Our secondary will play a mile off the outside WR's so just hit them all day and attack the middle of the field esp. in the RZ/EZ for TD's. Throw quick passes to the outside receivers on blitzes. They will be wide open d/t the secondary respecting your speed.
  • Simple. Not...very few teams can execute this perfect game plan to beat us convincingly. Very few match up well against us and play our style of offense and defense. The Giants have much more experience, better coaches, better game plans, make better in-game adjustments and know how to finish big games. Hats off to them. We have to beat the best to become the best. They just happen to match up perfectly against us. The good news is that there is still time to refine our skills and that goes for coaching as well and maybe next time, we'll execute better and stay with our game plan.

To your first bullet. There's also the making everything appeared covered strategy depending on the level of the QB and OL a team is playing against. You are correct, take away that first option but what a defense can do is disregard that first option after it is obvious you have fooled the QB. You show initial double and then have the underneath player veer off to another spot on the field.

This is what the NYG did on that interception to Walker. They showed double on the slot WR but then the DB veered off to another open spot as a floating defender.

This is where Alex not deviating or his lack of or inexperience or responsibility of post snap ability hurts him more than anything and this is why his mentality of not playing outside the design hurts. The "risky" or better QB's can make a defense pay for this.

I agree...NY did some very exotic things in coverage and lead to 3 uncharacteristic TO's by Alex as part of that confusion (obviously confused our receivers as well and OC). I was impressed how they took VD out, jammed all our other guys and then rolled/disguised coverages. NY is our hardest test by far...not only do they have very good coaches and game plans, their players execute well and just match up very well against us. Period. Let's hope they don't even make the playoffs! They have a tough 2nd half schedule.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by NCommand:
The formula the Giants use is the same one any good team would use to beat another...they just executed. It's the exact same game plan as the NFCCG as well.

  • Take their best offensive weapon away (in our case, it's VD); he was doubled all day long and we ran the same routes (never adjusted to get him the ball).
  • Since most offenses are designed around timing, disrupt it. The Giants x2 now (plus Seattle & Vikings) use their secondary to play tight up at the LOS, be very physical and aggressive. Walker, Crabtree (again), etc. could do nothing. We don't used Gore/Hunter in the passing game. Moss in this case was barely targeted again (but once again, we beat them deep - VD in the NFCCG) and Manningham was our only other "weapon" but he struggles with finishing the catch.
  • Four-man pressure. If your DL can contain the run while still providing consistent pressure and containing the pocket, your secondary can roll more exotic coverages and take advantage of the pressure the front 4 will get.
  • On offense, if your QB is mobile and your receivers are good at ad libbing that's a bonus; if you can pound the rock consistently, great. Our secondary will play a mile off the outside WR's so just hit them all day and attack the middle of the field esp. in the RZ/EZ for TD's. Throw quick passes to the outside receivers on blitzes. They will be wide open d/t the secondary respecting your speed.
  • Simple. Not...very few teams can execute this perfect game plan to beat us convincingly. Very few match up well against us and play our style of offense and defense. The Giants have much more experience, better coaches, better game plans, make better in-game adjustments and know how to finish big games. Hats off to them. We have to beat the best to become the best. They just happen to match up perfectly against us. The good news is that there is still time to refine our skills and that goes for coaching as well and maybe next time, we'll execute better and stay with our game plan.

To your first bullet. There's also the making everything appeared covered strategy depending on the level of the QB and OL a team is playing against. You are correct, take away that first option but what a defense can do is disregard that first option after it is obvious you have fooled the QB. You show initial double and then have the underneath player veer off to another spot on the field.

This is what the NYG did on that interception to Walker. They showed double on the slot WR but then the DB veered off to another open spot as a floating defender.

This is where Alex not deviating or his lack of or inexperience or responsibility of post snap ability hurts him more than anything and this is why his mentality of not playing outside the design hurts. The "risky" or better QB's can make a defense pay for this.

I agree...NY did some very exotic things in coverage and lead to 3 uncharacteristic TO's by Alex as part of that confusion (obviously confused our receivers as well and OC). I was impressed how they took VD out, jammed all our other guys and then rolled/disguised coverages. NY is our hardest test by far...not only do they have very good coaches and game plans, their players execute well and just match up very well against us. Period. Let's hope they don't even make the playoffs! They have a tough 2nd half schedule.

Bring them on.

Gotta beat the best to be the best.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by NCommand:
The formula the Giants use is the same one any good team would use to beat another...they just executed. It's the exact same game plan as the NFCCG as well.

  • Take their best offensive weapon away (in our case, it's VD); he was doubled all day long and we ran the same routes (never adjusted to get him the ball).
  • Since most offenses are designed around timing, disrupt it. The Giants x2 now (plus Seattle & Vikings) use their secondary to play tight up at the LOS, be very physical and aggressive. Walker, Crabtree (again), etc. could do nothing. We don't used Gore/Hunter in the passing game. Moss in this case was barely targeted again (but once again, we beat them deep - VD in the NFCCG) and Manningham was our only other "weapon" but he struggles with finishing the catch.
  • Four-man pressure. If your DL can contain the run while still providing consistent pressure and containing the pocket, your secondary can roll more exotic coverages and take advantage of the pressure the front 4 will get.
  • On offense, if your QB is mobile and your receivers are good at ad libbing that's a bonus; if you can pound the rock consistently, great. Our secondary will play a mile off the outside WR's so just hit them all day and attack the middle of the field esp. in the RZ/EZ for TD's. Throw quick passes to the outside receivers on blitzes. They will be wide open d/t the secondary respecting your speed.
  • Simple. Not...very few teams can execute this perfect game plan to beat us convincingly. Very few match up well against us and play our style of offense and defense. The Giants have much more experience, better coaches, better game plans, make better in-game adjustments and know how to finish big games. Hats off to them. We have to beat the best to become the best. They just happen to match up perfectly against us. The good news is that there is still time to refine our skills and that goes for coaching as well and maybe next time, we'll execute better and stay with our game plan.

To your first bullet. There's also the making everything appeared covered strategy depending on the level of the QB and OL a team is playing against. You are correct, take away that first option but what a defense can do is disregard that first option after it is obvious you have fooled the QB. You show initial double and then have the underneath player veer off to another spot on the field.

This is what the NYG did on that interception to Walker. They showed double on the slot WR but then the DB veered off to another open spot as a floating defender.

This is where Alex not deviating or his lack of or inexperience or responsibility of post snap ability hurts him more than anything and this is why his mentality of not playing outside the design hurts. The "risky" or better QB's can make a defense pay for this.

I agree...NY did some very exotic things in coverage and lead to 3 uncharacteristic TO's by Alex as part of that confusion (obviously confused our receivers as well and OC). I was impressed how they took VD out, jammed all our other guys and then rolled/disguised coverages. NY is our hardest test by far...not only do they have very good coaches and game plans, their players execute well and just match up very well against us. Period. Let's hope they don't even make the playoffs! They have a tough 2nd half schedule.

It will be interesting to see if the CHI defensive coordinator takes full advantage of the strength of his front four to make everything in the back end "appear" covered.