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Randy Moss does more harm then good?

hes way under utilized. he needs to be out there on like 90% of the plays whether he gets the ball or not. he takes a s safety with him every time. crabs and VD should be thriving right now but our play calling and personnel decisions have been suspect at best.
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Originally posted by SealTeam6:
Our coaches not using him is the problem

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Originally posted by Baldie:
Alex is taught to make the safer throw. The deep ball isn't in Alex's playbook unless its a desperation. But I agree, on that deep ball to Moss you can just see he kicked it in a different gear to catch that ball. I hope Alex see's that and learns from it. Because we don't attempt passes over 30+ yards even just occasionally, defenses don't respect our vertical game. Yeah we brought in deep threats but we don't take advantage of them. Anybody can defend 5-yard outs, especially if its 3rd and 7 and you throw a 5 yard out.

I've read enough, and I pretty much agree with this. I think the issue is more on Roman's play designs, and yes, this thread was labeled poorly.

Roman seems to have a short and primary route... another short or intermediate route, and then perhaps a deep route sprinkled in. The problem is that the short routes always seem to be the primary read... and if open, Alex will hit that 10 x out of 10. If you swap that design to making the deep route your primary? Then you can all but forget about any short routes.. unless your QB gets instant pressure and you have a quick dump-off valve like a RB. After that look at the deep coverage, by the time you locate and hit the short? The target is likely blanketed by coverage.

What Roman can install are more primary deep plays with other routes being intermediate and one route being short (like a dump-valve or a WR/TE drag route that takes a long time to fully emerge.

You can do a lot of different things.. You can have Moss run a slant and go route... or just the go route where Alex looks to the right first and then goes to Moss on the 9 route primary if he sees the FS is not over the top. Have moss run the slant and go and Alex can look left at him.. if he doesn't like the coverage on Moss, then he looks back right to the VD post.. The Crabtree/Rio drag route is always the last option, which can be thrown away out of bounds if all else fails. If the FS goes over the top on Moss, it's hard to believe the LB +/or SS coverage would be good enough on VD's post route. There's always the RB dump-valve if the first two routes don't look right or instant pressure gets in.

my only thought is that he's being saved for the playoffs, just do to him not being the young guy he once was. But really were not going to get to it if we keep playing and coaching like last week, Kaep work against 2 teams not going to make the playoffs, ok nice. Giants stuffed it, time to change it up because once one team does it another will watch the tape and see how to do it too. We need to give the ball to randy it's one on one the ball needs to go to him every time, that is a safe throw, you can't get anymore safe than randy moss in single coverage, throw it high he can still jump.
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Assuming the OP is correct on how defenses are playing us, I am ecstatic with him on the field. That means no more 8 or 9 in the box, allowing us to do what we do best - run the football. It allows us to do the second thing that we do best - throw short. Keep letting him be the decoy. What hurts us, is that we try and play a game that we aren't good at - lots of deep balls and lots of passes. If we just accept who we are, and focus on that (plus the occasional deep to Moss to keep defenses honest), we will do well.


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Originally posted by TheGoldDiggerrrr:
my only thought is that he's being saved for the playoffs, just do to him not being the young guy he once was. But really were not going to get to it if we keep playing and coaching like last week, Kaep work against 2 teams not going to make the playoffs, ok nice. Giants stuffed it, time to change it up because once one team does it another will watch the tape and see how to do it too. We need to give the ball to randy it's one on one the ball needs to go to him every time, that is a safe throw, you can't get anymore safe than randy moss in single coverage, throw it high he can still jump.

It ain't going to happen. The same thing was said during pre-season that he was being saved for the regular season. Numerous people at the games reporting that he is open but not being targeted. Defenses still putting at least a man over the top if not tripling him. Media reports that he is too old and at best a number 4 receiver. Smith getting pulled after completing a 55 yd. bomb to Moss with 3 defenders in tow. Smith looking visible upset after being pulled. THINK. OPEN YOUR EYES AND MIND. DO THE FACTS ADD UP. If us posers see it - you really believe the coaches don't see it. We know the defensive coordinators see it otherwise the "old man" wouldn't see the coverages he sees. Not much for conspiracy theories but the facts are what they are and you can't reason them away. Always remember, Moss has history and many powerful enemies within the establishment of the NFL and the media that have always wanted him to fail.
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Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
hes way under utilized. he needs to be out there on like 90% of the plays whether he gets the ball or not. he takes a s safety with him every time. crabs and VD should be thriving right now but our play calling and personnel decisions have been suspect at best.

I agree with you. Manningham deserves all the PT he has gotten because I think he has been our most consistent receiver since the start of the year. It is hard to say how Moss gets on the field that much, but they have to find a way.