Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Once again, these stats are really very subjective. A coverage sack assumes a great deal, unless you make it any sack over a three second mark. So hard to quantify these things objectively. PFF was started by a business consultant and is made up of volunteers/semi-volunteers with varying degrees of knowledge. Not sure I trust them more than the Bleacher Report. Although I could not (quickly) find much data on their research standards. I would think the sports magazines would have a little higher level of professionalism. Not sure about NFL.com
I hesitate to criticize Staley when the middle is pushed back and his guy has a direct line to Smith, who can't step up...that should be at least a shared sack. The fact that Staley has faced most of the great pass rushers seems a double edge sword...would you put your best pass rusher on the best OLineman or the worst? Some teams may not move guys around as much, so it would take more analysis to make a really informed opinion.
Yeah, it's judgmental at times... not every sack is clear cut. Coverage sack, on alex for not throwing it away, on say Staley but also like you said what if Goodwin got pushed back and Alex couldn't step up or take off up the middle? What if the sack is at 3 seconds but the coverage is good but someone got beat horribly? Could be all three, they have to judge. It's not an exact science
Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
Best run-blocking group in the league, I am sure.
If we are to applaud these OL for their "pass pro improvement".. which at times is fair... we should also make clear note that they have been greatly assisted by their QB.. who generally makes very quick throws after reading defenses. Those quick throws have helped our big boys a bunch... because when those quick throws don't come out? They generally fail to give more than 3 seconds.
It's a good start for sure. If we can teach our interior OL to zone block more efficiently.. and give Staley some help at times when facing the better pass rushers.. this OL can help take us to ring # 6... and THAT.. was my biggest concern heading into the season.
Lol we are fat in run blocking, Mike's a stud, Davis is always 5 yards down field, Boone could be a starter at tackle, glad he's finally playing. I think Davis has improved because of Boone, thats because he trust the guy next to him to block his guy, not Rachael, or Snyders mo.
Originally posted by TinyHandsBigHeart:
Wow, that's impressive, but if this is true then why is our offense so mediocre? We have a great o-line, good receivers, good RBs, a great TE, and great offensive coaches. What's the problem?
Is this a rhetorical question? I think we know why....
Getting tired of every thread heading in the same direction.
I'm tired of generalizations that aren't always accurate. Like we have good WRs... A more accurate statement is that we have talented WRs. They don't always perform well...and we have a disproportional number of drops. I'm not sure on this rating system..
and I didn't read the whole thing...but I have a hard time believe that number of sacks with as few passes attempts as we make qualify them to be called great.
We do have good RBs and a great TE...and they perform.
BTW...our QB has what QB rating again? Since we're making these arguments based on stats...tell me again how he sucks with that rating?
Originally posted by Gore_21:
If anyone checked my numbers I didn't do coverage sacks because I don't have coach's view. I credited to alex, ol, rb, te, etc who were blocking. Yeah and I agree somewhat with that one over the middle. I think he wanted to go to crabtree but he stumbled (might have been lb bumping him). He pulls it down and then Joe's guy gets him. Still, Joe got beat badly on the play. Ball would have probably been gone but I gave it to Staley but I can see how you can call that one a coverage sack. Like I said I didn't do coverage sacks so my totals are somewhat off.
Edit: and let me bring this up which probably hasn't been talked about much... penalties on OL: That has helped all their ratings. A few false starts.. maybe a couple of holds and a personal foul on anthony. Really has improved over the years. The amount of penalties by them in 4 games is equal to it use to be in 1 game (heck even a half at times)
edit again: I can certainly see how they have Staley at 5... i had 4.5 and .5 to davis, they have 5 and 0. Against GB Matthews blows up play, smith escapes and Anthony who had a good block but then let go and his guy got the sack. I am going back to recheck the one I had for Iupati. Ok, looking at it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=127t-EQxFS4&feature=youtu.be 25:00 a little after....... Iupati got beat... it was about 3 seconds, I can see why they call that coverage or on alex because alex should have dumped it off but Iupati didn't stick with his block and his guy made alex scramble... goodwin's guy finishes him off
36:45, that's the one i have on vernon. the play call wasn't the best with the flea flicker and I don't think anyone was open not that alex really had time to look. However, if VD doesn't get beat Alex has a clear lane to run about 30 yards with cbs running way down the field for a bomb.
39:50, the one I have on L.Davis. Anyone disagree that Leonard is totally at fault for that one. Misses his guy, blows up play... alex scrambles and someone elses guy takes him out.
Originally posted by DirtyP: Considering that ProFootballFocus is about as an objective analysis site that you'll find, and that Joe Staley is considered a very solid player everywhere but 49erswebzone.com I would assume the latter probably closer to the truth. He can struggle from time to time against guys like Clay Matthews and Jared Allen but there isn't a LT in the NFL right now that can claim otherwise. He's a very reliable LT and we are lucky to have him.
Very much agree here. But in this case, after we have done our own analysis here, the 29th ranking by FO's seems much more accurate in this case. There is something fundamentally wrong with their system if they credit one guy (Staley) as giving up all 5 sacks in 4 games and then rate him as one of the highest rated LT's. That makes NO sense.
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