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Niners to sign Clark Haggans

Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by NCommand:

This isn't Madden where you can just plug in any dude.

Nice overall post. For the SOLB, I must say that I was impressed with Bakhtiari when it came to the strongside run anchoring, but also impressed with his ability and knowledge of where to drop in zone or man coverages. Still think he would be a wise choice as SOLB backup... but perhaps Fangio sees this differently than I do.

I'm glad you posted on this topic...I can honestly say (rare for me) that I did not pay much attention to the OLB's this pre season and spent more time on the OL instead. So any analysis, I'm all ears.

From my passive watching, Bak seemed like a decent find. Did you see him strong/big enough to push OT's or TE's up field on the strong side so that RB's were forced to go way back and around him to get to the edge or back inside where the additional help is (Bowman/Willis)? I think I saw him play more SAM than WILL right? He did well in dropping back...pass rush seemed consistent (closing speed/ability?). How did he do on disengaging blocks? Does he have an array of pass rush moves? Keeps his eyes on the QB the entire time (esp. when he is being blocked)?
Originally posted by SixtyMins:
We are fine on LB, if we have any injuries we have Dobbs, and Miller who can fill in for LB in a pinch, There is also Gooden and Grant. There is no need to panic.

Love this attitude, and if Miller fills in for OLB I would marry him and have his babies.
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Originally posted by KowboyKiller:
Originally posted by SixtyMins:
We are fine on LB, if we have any injuries we have Dobbs, and Miller who can fill in for LB in a pinch, There is also Gooden and Grant. There is no need to panic.

Love this attitude, and if Miller fills in for OLB I would marry him and have his babies.
lack of depth, unknown if smith and brooks are 100 per cent and can go the entire game, a guy who may not even play sunday against green bay at green bay and our solution is to have miller see if he can play outside linebacker. my head hurts
Jermaine Jackson/Russell Simmons in da house....

Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by NCommand:

This isn't Madden where you can just plug in any dude.

Nice overall post. For the SOLB, I must say that I was impressed with Bakhtiari when it came to the strongside run anchoring, but also impressed with his ability and knowledge of where to drop in zone or man coverages. Still think he would be a wise choice as SOLB backup... but perhaps Fangio sees this differently than I do.

I'm glad you posted on this topic...I can honestly say (rare for me) that I did not pay much attention to the OLB's this pre season and spent more time on the OL instead. So any analysis, I'm all ears.

From my passive watching, Bak seemed like a decent find. Did you see him strong/big enough to push OT's or TE's up field on the strong side so that RB's were forced to go way back and around him to get to the edge or back inside where the additional help is (Bowman/Willis)? I think I saw him play more SAM than WILL right? He did well in dropping back...pass rush seemed consistent (closing speed/ability?). How did he do on disengaging blocks? Does he have an array of pass rush moves? Keeps his eyes on the QB the entire time (esp. when he is being blocked)?

Bakhtiari (in my personal view of what I observed, and obviously mixed with playing off of memory here)....

- good burst around the edge... maybe starting quality burst
- very sharp in coverage.. zone and man (said that already)
- good at disengaging from blocks to make an impact in the run D
- less than stellar showing vs the starters... in Houston, I believe it was..
- needs to work on his power, as he gradually but too slowly worked his OT back into the QB
- needs to work on disengaging and rush techniques once an OT has his hooks in him straight up.
- high effort player that, to my recollection, worked relatively equal reps at SOLB and WOLB.
- really liked him as a # 4 rush LB for us and would have preferred us to have made room for him on the 53...
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by NCommand:

This isn't Madden where you can just plug in any dude.

Nice overall post. For the SOLB, I must say that I was impressed with Bakhtiari when it came to the strongside run anchoring, but also impressed with his ability and knowledge of where to drop in zone or man coverages. Still think he would be a wise choice as SOLB backup... but perhaps Fangio sees this differently than I do.

I'm glad you posted on this topic...I can honestly say (rare for me) that I did not pay much attention to the OLB's this pre season and spent more time on the OL instead. So any analysis, I'm all ears.

From my passive watching, Bak seemed like a decent find. Did you see him strong/big enough to push OT's or TE's up field on the strong side so that RB's were forced to go way back and around him to get to the edge or back inside where the additional help is (Bowman/Willis)? I think I saw him play more SAM than WILL right? He did well in dropping back...pass rush seemed consistent (closing speed/ability?). How did he do on disengaging blocks? Does he have an array of pass rush moves? Keeps his eyes on the QB the entire time (esp. when he is being blocked)?

Bakhtiari (in my personal view of what I observed, and obviously mixed with playing off of memory here)....

- good burst around the edge... maybe starting quality burst
- very sharp in coverage.. zone and man (said that already)
- good at disengaging from blocks to make an impact in the run D
- less than stellar showing vs the starters... in Houston, I believe it was..
- needs to work on his power, as he gradually but too slowly worked his OT back into the QB
- needs to work on disengaging and rush techniques once an OT has his hooks in him straight up.
- high effort player that, to my recollection, worked relatively equal reps at SOLB and WOLB.
- really liked him as a # 4 rush LB for us and would have preferred us to have made room for him on the 53...

Awesome analysis. Thanks so much...if he is going to be brought in, we REALLY need a SAM so I hope he can be stout against the run at least. Sounds like he might be a decent option and if he can focus on that one position while Brooks is playing, should something happen...
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Originally posted by modninerfan:
I'd bring back Alama-Francis

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by KID9R:
I would rather have Shawne Merriman or Matt Roth to replace Haralson over Haggans.

And they probably will sign another one after week one, so that their contract isn't guaranteed.

I doubt Shawne Merrimen would wanna be a back up player. Everette brown, Travis LaBoy, Ikaika Alama-Francis or even Kenny Rowe would've been my choice.

But right now he doesn't even have a job, so I'm pretty sure he doesn't think he's going to come in and start anywhere.
How do you guys know more than Vic Fangio about which guy he should use as linebacker in his 3-4 defense...The guy only put all four of his backers in the ProBowl at one time in his career when he was the LB position coach. Not like he graduated from the WebZone University of Higher Football Learning or anything.

Vic Fangio is the Bob McKittrick of linebacker coach. Dude can take a crack head off the street for 4 weeks and have him pass rushing at 260lbs and making 5-7 tackles a game. So chill.
[ Edited by qnnhan7 on Sep 4, 2012 at 6:58 PM ]
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
How do you guys know more than Vic Fangio about which guy he should use as linebacker in his 3-4 defense...The guy only put all four of his backers in the ProBowl at one time in his career when he was the LB position coach. Not like he graduated from the WebZone University of Higher Football Learning or anything.

Vic Fangio is the Bob McKittrick of linebacker coach. Dude can take a crack head off the street for 4 weeks and have him pass rushing at 260lbs and making 5-7 tackles a game. So chill.

Think its more up to Trent
Originally posted by KID9R:
Originally posted by modninerfan:
I'd bring back Alama-Francis

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by KID9R:
I would rather have Shawne Merriman or Matt Roth to replace Haralson over Haggans.

And they probably will sign another one after week one, so that their contract isn't guaranteed.

I doubt Shawne Merrimen would wanna be a back up player. Everette brown, Travis LaBoy, Ikaika Alama-Francis or even Kenny Rowe would've been my choice.

But right now he doesn't even have a job, so I'm pretty sure he doesn't think he's going to come in and start anywhere.
Some young guys I think we should bring in and see what they got:
Ricky Sapp, tons of talent but always injured. But got injured in college his junior year and dropped to the 5th Rd after an average Sr. year. Got hurt his first preseason game with the Eagles and later was reported as "quit on the team". Was cut and picked up by the Jets and put on their PS. They just cut him to get down to 53.

DJ Bryant, UDFA out of James Madison. Has good size and could be a pass rush specialist. Signed with the Texans, and had a good preseason with 3 sacks (2nd on the team to 1st Rounder Whitney Mercilus). Was considered a lock for their PS by most their fans, and they seem shocked he made neither the 53 or PS. Has a tryout this week with the Jets who are looking for a passrush specialist.
The guys a reliable back up. I see nothing really bad or good about this pick up. He won't be playing much and even if he has to he's been around long enough to be plugged in and do an alright job. Better than some unknown imo.
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
How do you guys know more than Vic Fangio about which guy he should use as linebacker in his 3-4 defense...The guy only put all four of his backers in the ProBowl at one time in his career when he was the LB position coach. Not like he graduated from the WebZone University of Higher Football Learning or anything.

Vic Fangio is the Bob McKittrick of linebacker coach. Dude can take a crack head off the street for 4 weeks and have him pass rushing at 260lbs and making 5-7 tackles a game. So chill.

Think its more up to Trent

Pretty sure with Fangio telling Trent which guy he wants out of the available list. Trent is the GM but he don't know 3-4 LB like Fangio.
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
How do you guys know more than Vic Fangio about which guy he should use as linebacker in his 3-4 defense...The guy only put all four of his backers in the ProBowl at one time in his career when he was the LB position coach. Not like he graduated from the WebZone University of Higher Football Learning or anything.

Vic Fangio is the Bob McKittrick of linebacker coach. Dude can take a crack head off the street for 4 weeks and have him pass rushing at 260lbs and making 5-7 tackles a game. So chill.

Think its more up to Trent

Pretty sure with Fangio telling Trent which guy he wants out of the available list. Trent is the GM but he don't know 3-4 LB like Fangio.

I doubt Fangio has a running list of FA OLB's in ranked order, thats a GM job.
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
How do you guys know more than Vic Fangio about which guy he should use as linebacker in his 3-4 defense...The guy only put all four of his backers in the ProBowl at one time in his career when he was the LB position coach. Not like he graduated from the WebZone University of Higher Football Learning or anything.

Vic Fangio is the Bob McKittrick of linebacker coach. Dude can take a crack head off the street for 4 weeks and have him pass rushing at 260lbs and making 5-7 tackles a game. So chill.

Think its more up to Trent

Pretty sure with Fangio telling Trent which guy he wants out of the available list. Trent is the GM but he don't know 3-4 LB like Fangio.

I doubt Fangio has a running list of FA OLB's in ranked order, thats a GM job.

That's most likely true. That's why I said it's up to Fangio to pick out the guy he would like to work with from the available list.
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
How do you guys know more than Vic Fangio about which guy he should use as linebacker in his 3-4 defense...The guy only put all four of his backers in the ProBowl at one time in his career when he was the LB position coach. Not like he graduated from the WebZone University of Higher Football Learning or anything.

Vic Fangio is the Bob McKittrick of linebacker coach. Dude can take a crack head off the street for 4 weeks and have him pass rushing at 260lbs and making 5-7 tackles a game. So chill.

Think its more up to Trent

Pretty sure with Fangio telling Trent which guy he wants out of the available list. Trent is the GM but he don't know 3-4 LB like Fangio.

I doubt Fangio has a running list of FA OLB's in ranked order, thats a GM job.

That's most likely true. That's why I said it's up to Fangio to pick out the guy he would like to work with from the available list.

I'm not sure he would know who all the guys are. Even though he has NFL experience I cant imagine he pays that much attention to other teams guys.