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Niners to sign Clark Haggans

Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by Wodwo:
Originally posted by susweel:
Depending on a 5th and 7th pick for depth is insane. He should have brought in another vet or or used a higher pick on a OLB, probably shouldn't have take LMJ in the second round (although I liked the pick at the time) he should have used that pick on a OLB.

No... no it isn't. Parys Haralson was a fifth round pick.

Injuries were the problem, not draft position, not any failure to bring in enough depth.

We had plenty of OLBs. You really think we needed more than five?

Second guessing roster decisions because every player at a position got injured is silly.

There were no guarantees that Flemming or Johnson could play in the NFL. Baalke should have brought in a vet to COMPETE with them.


The problem is, with a talented roster, you can't afford to have good veteran depth at every position. You have to depend on the draft for depth at a lot of positions. You can't afford to pay every backup 1+ million. You can sign draft picks for less than half of that.
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Originally posted by susweel:
There were no guarantees that Flemming or Johnson could play in the NFL. Baalke should have brought in a vet to COMPETE with them.

Why? There would be no guarantee that the vet would be better. There would be no guarantee that the vet would stay healthy.

Anyway, Haralson was the vet. He got injured. s**t happens.

Now we're signing Haggans. We'll see how that turns out.

We'll also see if more roster moves are made.

It's still hindsight bias to question those roster decisions.
Originally posted by Wodwo:
Originally posted by susweel:
There were no guarantees that Flemming or Johnson could play in the NFL. Baalke should have brought in a vet to COMPETE with them.

Why? There would be no guarantee that the vet would be better. There would be no guarantee that the vet would stay healthy.

Anyway, Haralson was the vet. He got injured. s**t happens.

Now we're signing Haggans. We'll see how that turns out.

We'll also see if more roster moves are made.

It's still hindsight bias to question those roster decisions.


The only position where we F'd up IMO, is OT. Can you imagine if we had the same situation at OT right now? People would be throwing a s**tstorm. We stupidly lost Mike Person to a 53, so we could keep McBath safe from the waiver wire. So what's more important, a 5th safety, or a dedicated backup OT? I don't get it.
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Originally posted by BrianGO:
The only position where we F'd up IMO, is OT. Can you imagine if we had the same situation at OT right now? People would be throwing a s**tstorm. We stupidly lost Mike Person to a 53, so we could keep McBath safe from the waiver wire. So what's more important, a 5th safety, or a dedicated backup OT? I don't get it.

Eh, what's more important, a tackle that would be inactive on gameday or a safety that can play special teams?

Active linemen:

Staley, Iupati, Goodwin, Boone, A.Davis, Kilgore, L.Davis

It's rare to have more than seven active linemen.

Now, if we have a bunch of injuries, that would suck. You just can't plan your roster worrying about it, though.
Originally posted by Wodwo:
Originally posted by BrianGO:
The only position where we F'd up IMO, is OT. Can you imagine if we had the same situation at OT right now? People would be throwing a s**tstorm. We stupidly lost Mike Person to a 53, so we could keep McBath safe from the waiver wire. So what's more important, a 5th safety, or a dedicated backup OT? I don't get it.

Eh, what's more important, a tackle that would be inactive on gameday or a safety that can play special teams?

Active linemen:

Staley, Iupati, Goodwin, Boone, A.Davis, Kilgore, L.Davis

It's rare to have more than seven active linemen.

Now, if we have a bunch of injuries, that would suck. You just can't plan your roster worrying about it, though.


I can understand that we might want McBath for special teams, but losing our 4th tackle was not wise. ONE injury at OT, and we are going to be scrambling to find somebody to sign.
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Originally posted by BrianGO:
I can understand that we might want McBath for special teams, but losing our 4th tackle was not wise. ONE injury at OT, and we are going to be scrambling to find somebody to sign.

Well, when you have one injury at OT, the team is usually going to look for a player to sign. That's normal.

We didn't lose our fourth offensive tackle, though. L.Davis is the fourth OT. Is he better than Person? I have no idea... I don't think any of us do.
Oh well at least we're talking about back ups and not front line guys.
Originally posted by susweel:
Oh well at least we're talking about back ups and not front line guys.

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Originally posted by susweel:
Oh well at least we're talking about back ups and not front line guys.

Wow, susweel with the silver lining!

Haggans may step in and provide solid depth. I have faith in Baalke!

Injuries happen.....
Well, I guess for now nobody is getting cut since Haralson is on IR which freed up a spot for Haggins. Wonder if we are set with those 3 or we bring back Alama-Francis or Rowe or Bakhtiari or an outsider?
Originally posted by Gore_21:
Well, I guess for now nobody is getting cut since Haralson is on IR which freed up a spot for Haggins. Wonder if we are set with those 3 or we bring back Alama-Francis or Rowe or Bakhtiari or an outsider?

I thought Bakhtiari got picked up by someone. Is that not true?

If not, he would be my first choice. Otherwise, yes, we should bring back Rowe or Alma-Francis.
Originally posted by cciowa:
for the record,,, i never flamed the front office one bit about the injuries to the rookie linebackers we got because that is just bad luck,,, i am pissed cuz they knew about this injury and still let some people go, i am pissed because thier solution is to sign a guy who may not play this sunday. i am pissed because they are basing everything on this hearing this week to go thier way. that is arrogance and that is why i am pissed. I have said pissed so much i have to pee,, well the more i pee the less i will cry about this

Hahaha! Anyway, we all have our opinions, but some people don't look at the whole pic, you can't have top of the line at every position and b/u without having to worry about cap space. Everything, you have to pick your spots, maybe even your poison if you will. They are looking at long term, meaning if PH is out 8 games (and thats at the very least) and even if they have to wait for Haggans, they still need a quality b/u. Yes they are banking and hoping they will be okay until Haggan comes back should he get suspended. The people we let go, some may think they are good enough, but maybe they weren't in the eyes of the coaches and staff. Like I said Bak did his against thrid stringers and lesser talent, but how did he do in camp? As for picking up someone from another teams trash bin, I didn't hear of anyone better than Haggan (could be wrong), he offers experience, proven ability for the price and as an added bonus, could give us some sccops on the cards.
I am not so worried about any injuries to our offensive line. I am worried about injuries at wide receiver and special teams. We saw how our depth at those positions came back to bite us in the ass. Given they have added massive depth to those positions but still it's in the back of my mind.
Originally posted by TheFunkyChicken:
Originally posted by Gore_21:
Well, I guess for now nobody is getting cut since Haralson is on IR which freed up a spot for Haggins. Wonder if we are set with those 3 or we bring back Alama-Francis or Rowe or Bakhtiari or an outsider?

I thought Bakhtiari got picked up by someone. Is that not true?

If not, he would be my first choice. Otherwise, yes, we should bring back Rowe or Alma-Francis.

I suspect that Baalke thought more of Haggans than of the guys we had already work with us. We do not know why Haggans was let go other tha. Quotes Groves is going to replace him, but he was a starter in the NFL last season.
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