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POLL: Is Colin Kaepernick getting a free pass to No. 2?

POLL: Is Colin Kaepernick getting a free pass to No. 2?

  • cciowa
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Originally posted by ninerlifer:
Why are you all calling this a QB controversy? Its for the backup job! This aint like Joe v Steve!!!!

Not to mention steve spurrier vs john brodie
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by oldman9er:
That's fine with me. If Ck7 starts as # 2 and no one separates themselves? Then he should remain the # 2.
yes. i was just trying to get into the head of the coach and figure out his thinking,, kind of a dangerous place to be i guess.. i assume the next two games will be when the other two guys seperate themselves from each other( that sounded a bit odd )?

Jim likely has made up his mind already on the # 3... but will play the crap out of them somewhere in the 2nd half and A LOT in the 4th game to see if someone changes his mind.
  • kush
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Originally posted by oldman9er:
This. No one really separated themselves among the backups through two games.

... and you better be worried about those two near-pick 6 INTs, kush. Particularly the 1st one, which was much closer to being a killer. We have all watched enough football to know that an outstretched hand can tip the ball in such a way to place it right in the stomach or in both hands as the DB heads the other way. Just an example of Ck7 needing to actually look at where he is throwing instead of going first-read only regardless of coverage. But again, before I get called a Ck7 hater for this one criticism... read the first underlined sentence again.

Disagree. CK7 has seperated himself in my eyes. He's made two of the best throws of the preseason, as well as the best run. He looks a lot more comfortable. I already explained it to Oakland-Niner, but that almost "killer" you're referencing wasn't even that close to being a pick. Lol the safety was moving full speed and got only his left hand on the ball. CK saw the safety and tried to thread the needle. He realized what it would take to get it by the safety because on the next one he fit it right in to KW.

LOlz, you say CKs issue is he has to look where he's throwing and the other half of the haters say he telegraphs his throw by staring at one receiver. Which is it guys??? Lol your analysis of the game told me all I need to know about your point of view on the subject.
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Originally posted by Memphis9er:
This really is a nonsensical thread in my opinion. I don't think Harbaugh would put Colin at the #2 if he wasn't the best player for the spot. I am not a big fan of Colin's playing style, I prefer a conventional pocket passer especially in the WCO, but Harbaugh has proven to me that he knows qbs. In my opinion Smith will play well enough that Colin will get all the time he needs to develop and grow into a legit NFL qb. Honestly though, he is nowhere near as NFL ready as Smith was coming out of college, and we all know what a piece of work he has been. All I have to say is I hope you younger guys from the generation of instant gratification show more patience than you allowed Smith.

Would LOVE to know why you think this?

Alex to this day was one of the worst rookie QB I have ever seen. Time heals all wounds though, I can see how some nice revisionist mental history could make you feel he was even close to being an effective player.
Why do I have a picture in my mind of Jack Nicholson in full gear yelling "YOU CAN"T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!"? LOLz...

all good, I guess. I got no major issues with Ck7 and wish him well in his further development. What I saw was a pretty mixed bag of good and bad, but he didn't deflate my confidence him to grow as an eventual starter in the league.
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Originally posted by kush:
Would LOVE to know why you think this?

Alex to this day was one of the worst rookie QB I have ever seen. Time heals all wounds though, I can see how some nice revisionist mental history could make you feel he was even close to being an effective player.
sometimes i wonder if things would have been different for him had the niners signed garcia and let smith set behind him for a few years,. When nolan was hired, garcia lobbied to come back but instead we got rat, alex was given the job and was not ready, nolan did not know how to handle people or his quarterback and well,, we saw what happened. means nothing now but always interesting to ponder things. Kush i respect all our posters but can not understand why people are still almost in denial he is number two
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Originally posted by oldman9er:
Jim likely has made up his mind already on the # 3... but will play the crap out of them somewhere in the 2nd half and A LOT in the 4th game to see if someone changes his mind.

yes you are right about this probably. kind of makes you wonder if the season began today,, i bet he knows exactly what his roster will be!
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Jim likely has made up his mind already on the # 3... but will play the crap out of them somewhere in the 2nd half and A LOT in the 4th game to see if someone changes his mind.

yes you are right about this probably. kind of makes you wonder if the season began today,, i bet he knows exactly what his roster will be!

Yeah, our coaches are quick to assess who is worthy and who would have to really step it up to make it on their radar of worthy.
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Originally posted by cciowa:
sometimes i wonder if things would have been different for him had the niners signed garcia and let smith set behind him for a few years,. When nolan was hired, garcia lobbied to come back but instead we got rat, alex was given the job and was not ready, nolan did not know how to handle people or his quarterback and well,, we saw what happened. means nothing now but always interesting to ponder things. Kush i respect all our posters but can not understand why people are still almost in denial he is number two
It's because in a beauty contest he wins 4th place. He's the easily the least traditional QB on our roster. If either he was a traditional pocket passer with his funky delivery or an athletic QB with a nice over the top delivery, I think he'd get some more love.

But nope, CK7 is an athletic QB with a weird throwing motion...it turns people off before they even see what he actually produces.
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Jim likely has made up his mind already on the # 3... but will play the crap out of them somewhere in the 2nd half and A LOT in the 4th game to see if someone changes his mind.

yes you are right about this probably. kind of makes you wonder if the season began today,, i bet he knows exactly what his roster will be!

Yeah, our coaches are quick to assess who is worthy and who would have to really step it up to make it on their radar of worthy.

I believe JH has his core guys..but i don't think coach is keeping guys for just fodder. I don't think hes that selfish and would want every player have a chance to succeed with this team or another.

I think it's a little harder for him this year. A lot of guys are really playing hard and he likes the blue collar guys
[ Edited by 49AllTheTime on Aug 24, 2012 at 10:08 AM ]
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Jim likely has made up his mind already on the # 3... but will play the crap out of them somewhere in the 2nd half and A LOT in the 4th game to see if someone changes his mind.

yes you are right about this probably. kind of makes you wonder if the season began today,, i bet he knows exactly what his roster will be!

Yeah, our coaches are quick to assess who is worthy and who would have to really step it up to make it on their radar of worthy.

I believe JH has his core guys..but i don't think coach is keeping guys for just fodder. I don't think hes that selfish and would want every player have a chance to succeed with this team or another.

I think it's a little harder for him this year. A lot of guys are really playing hard and he likes the blue collar guys

Keep bodies as long as you can for competition... and just maybe one or two will jump out at you for the practice squad. But no doubt, Jim will use fodder to his every advantage.
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Originally posted by kush:
It's because in a beauty contest he wins 4th place. He's the easily the least traditional QB on our roster. If either he was a traditional pocket passer with his funky delivery or an athletic QB with a nice over the top delivery, I think he'd get some more love.

But nope, CK7 is an athletic QB with a weird throwing motion...it turns people off before they even see what he actually produces.

david carr on the other hand I think,, was a non athletic quarterback with a very odd throwing motion! i hope alex runs a bit more this year. he seemed to very good in that aspect of his game, in my limited knowledge of quarterbacks
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Originally posted by cciowa:
david carr on the other hand I think,, was a non athletic quarterback with a very odd throwing motion! i hope alex runs a bit more this year. he seemed to very good in that aspect of his game, in my limited knowledge of quarterbacks
@ David Carr


Alex picks the best times to run and seems to always pick up a bunch of yards when he does. All of my favorite comebacks of his involve some really nifty runs on his part.
Originally posted by kush:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
This really is a nonsensical thread in my opinion. I don't think Harbaugh would put Colin at the #2 if he wasn't the best player for the spot. I am not a big fan of Colin's playing style, I prefer a conventional pocket passer especially in the WCO, but Harbaugh has proven to me that he knows qbs. In my opinion Smith will play well enough that Colin will get all the time he needs to develop and grow into a legit NFL qb. Honestly though, he is nowhere near as NFL ready as Smith was coming out of college, and we all know what a piece of work he has been. All I have to say is I hope you younger guys from the generation of instant gratification show more patience than you allowed Smith.

Would LOVE to know why you think this?

Alex to this day was one of the worst rookie QB I have ever seen. Time heals all wounds though, I can see how some nice revisionist mental history could make you feel he was even close to being an effective player.
Because CK looks as bad as Smith did and Smith had nowhere near the coaching or talent surrounding him. You can look at both guys coming out of college and Smith was a much more accurate passer and played against tougher competition. See your problem is you see the problem but fail to understand the cause of the problem, it is just lazy thinking to blame Smith for how bad the 05 team was. Did you ever stop to think that maybe the reason Smith looked so bad as a rookie is that he was neck deep in the s**ttiest team in the NFL? There was a reason that the Niners had the number one pick that year, they were by a wide margin the worst Niner team I have ever seen in my 32+ years of being a Niner fan.

Just so you know where I am coming from since I don't remember you being here...I didn't want Smith or Rodgers coming into that draft, I thought this team needed a lot more along the line of scrimmage before they were ready to pick up a QB. Smith was a spread QB, those kind of QB's usually have to learn to play the pro style game, and Rodgers was a frail QB that was concussion prone. I wanted to draft oline or defense, but I guess no one wanted to trade up to the first pick that year. It wasn't until Smith's second year that I started to warm up to him. After the Houston game where he came in and threw for all those yards and almost led the comeback, I kinda sensed that he might be better than I figured at first. After that season I began to wonder how much better he could get with the right coaching staff, and after last season I believe in him and am convinced all he needed was a good coach, one that knows how to put his players in the best position to succeed, not throw him under the bus when it became obvious that they were in over their heads. No matter how you slice it, the last 4 minutes of that saints game is as good a job at playing QB as I have seen from ANY qb in all my years watching the Niners. Just look at who the receivers were in that game and tell me that you think that wasn't a performance worthy of Niner lore. The fact that there are a few who under the guise of being "fair critics" constantly try to nitpick him like they expect him to be perfect in a game that doesn't allow for perfection is what fires me up because to me it is just plain trolling. Like spending five pages in the thread arguing that a pass caught for a 24 yard gain on third down wasn't perfect, that is pure retardation.

Back on topic now, CK has the athletic ability but to me he looks like he needs to work on the mental part of the game, and that is something that can be coached, so I am not worried that he won't ever be good, I am more concerned that with Smith looking to finally come into his own that we might have to trade CK so he gets a chance to play in the NFL in his prime.
Time to shut this thread down. Kaep has had a solid preseason and was money today...he is clearly #2, because of his play on the field...so enough of these conspiracy theories..
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