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49ers Wide Receiver Assessment

Originally posted by Shorteous:
Originally posted by AB83Rules:
Right now these are my 5 guys I would go with in order.

1- Randy Moss
2- Michael Crabtree
3- Mario Manningham
4- A.J. Jenkins
5- Ted Ginn Jr.

Practice Squaders- Nathan Palmer and Chris Owusu

No way, Kyle Williams makes the team. I'll put my internet cred on that.
Shorteous who? Must have just lost his internet cred!
People, they are sill in unpadded practices. Until I see how these guys perform under fire, with a full playbook, in live practices, my pre-1st cut WR depth chart will remain:

1 - Crabs (Regrettably, but this is a make-or-break-season for him. For sure, JH & Roman are going to put him in prime position to breakout this year. If he don't he won't be a 49er next season. It's as simple as that.)

2 - A. J. (You don't pick a guy 1st, regardless of were in the 1st, at a position of drastic need only to throw him at the bottom of the depth chart. Unless he bombs in pre-season he'll be no worse than #2. I know I'm alone on this but, trust me, when it becomes live with the pads this guy is gonna show why he was our 1st pick.

3 - Manningham (He's gonna be pushing for starting time for sure but I don't see him being better, or worse than #3 unless William makes it very difficult to keep him off the field, which I expect him to do.

4 - Williams/Moss (I am still not convinced Moss will make the team. I don't care how good he looks in unpadded practices. Until he shows different than his previous 15 years in the league I'll remain skeptical about his chances to make the 53. I don't see Williams getting cut (something else I know I'm alone on). I think Williams has a lot to proves and will make it very difficult for JH to keep him off the field. He'll push Manningham. If Moss makes the final 53 I think one dimensional players like Ginn are in trouble.)

5 - If we keep 6 WR's then I'll only pencil Ginn in this spot only because we haven't seen these undrafted guys perform in true battle yet. But if one of the undrafted guys perform well in preseason and if we keep only 5 WR's I don't see Ginn making the final 53. If the 49ers keep only 5 WR's this will be one of the team shockers for who gets cut and an undrafted dark-horse that makes it. With this team being so deep at WR players like Ginn can ill-afford to be one dimensional, especially if players like Parrish Cox and LaMichael James prove more than adequate in the return game. There' no way around it: Ginn is gonna have to push somebody at the WR spot to remain on this roster (i.e becoming a much better receiver). Coach Herm Edwards uses the term "availability". And on a team this deep most non-starting players have to be truly "available" at different positions, not just healthy, to give JH & Co. a reason to keep you over the next guy. Is Ginn currently available at all?

6 - If we keep 6 WR's Ginn's chances becomes better and one of the undrafted guys makes it here for sure. Even them Ginn has to be a better WR. If Moss makes the team I cannot see Ginn making the team given his one dimensional nature.
[ Edited by 9ersLiferInChicago on Jun 16, 2012 at 12:55 PM ]
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Would add Palmer to the PS as well and Cratree above Manningham. The good news is that this group is so much more experienced in winning than last years group. Both Manningham and Moss have been on Super teams (Moss wants to win a ring!).

Randy Moss Says..."I don't want records. I want a Super Bowl ring."


+1. Good post and very true re: the winning experience brought by Moss and Manningham. And, I also think Williams will come back motivated and give us quality depth at WR.
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Originally posted by Shorteous:
Originally posted by AB83Rules:
Right now these are my 5 guys I would go with in order.

1- Randy Moss
2- Michael Crabtree
3- Mario Manningham
4- A.J. Jenkins
5- Ted Ginn Jr.

Practice Squaders- Nathan Palmer and Chris Owusu

No way, Kyle Williams makes the team. I'll put my internet cred on that.

Why not? He's young, talented and has deep playoff experience; not mention highly motivated to redeem himself.

a very negative playoff experience
Sorry to rain on the Kyle Williams parade but if you guys don't want to count Ginn jr as a wr we will only dressing 4 on game day. I assume Williams will be released sooner rather than later so he has a chance to make another roster. Owusu & Palmer make Williams expendable & even with him on the team it's hard to justify taking touches away from guys like LMJ, Hunter, Jenkins, Manningham, Moss, Crabtree, even Ginn.
Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
People, they are sill in unpadded practices. Until I see how these guys perform under fire, with a full playbook, in live practices, my pre-1st cut WR depth chart will remain:

1 - Crabs (Regrettably, but this is a make-or-break-season for him. For sure, JH & Roman are going to put him in prime position to breakout this year. If he don't he won't be a 49er next season. It's as simple as that.)

2 - A. J. (You don't pick a guy 1st, regardless of were in the 1st, at a position of drastic need only to throw him at the bottom of the depth chart. Unless he bombs in pre-season he'll be no worse than #2. I know I'm alone on this but, trust me, when it becomes live with the pads this guy is gonna show why he was our 1st pick.

3 - Manningham (He's gonna be pushing for starting time for sure but I don't see him being better, or worse than #3 unless William makes it very difficult to keep him off the field, which I expect him to do.

4 - Williams/Moss (I am still not convinced Moss will make the team. I don't care how good he looks in unpadded practices. Until he shows different than his previous 15 years in the league I'll remain skeptical about his chances to make the 53. I don't see Williams getting cut (something else I know I'm alone on). I think Williams has a lot to proves and will make it very difficult for JH to keep him off the field. He'll push Manningham. If Moss makes the final 53 I think one dimensional players like Ginn are in trouble.)

5 - If we keep 6 WR's then I'll only pencil Ginn in this spot only because we haven't seen these undrafted guys perform in true battle yet. But if one of the undrafted guys perform well in preseason and if we keep only 5 WR's I don't see Ginn making the final 53. If the 49ers keep only 5 WR's this will be one of the team shockers for who gets cut and an undrafted dark-horse that makes it. With this team being so deep at WR players like Ginn can ill-afford to be one dimensional, especially if players like Parrish Cox and LaMichael James prove more than adequate in the return game. There' no way around it: Ginn is gonna have to push somebody at the WR spot to remain on this roster (i.e becoming a much better receiver). Coach Herm Edwards uses the term "availability". And on a team this deep most non-starting players have to be truly "available" at different positions, not just healthy, to give JH & Co. a reason to keep you over the next guy. Is Ginn currently available at all?

6 - If we keep 6 WR's Ginn's chances becomes better and one of the undrafted guys makes it here for sure. Even them Ginn has to be a better WR. If Moss makes the team I cannot see Ginn making the team given his one dimensional nature.


Please pass over whatever you are smoking my way.... It must be really good. Moss is a lock to make the team. He is the best WR on the team at the moment, and for opposing defensive coordinators they will alway need to account for Moss, and probably will double team <Moss or put their best CB on Moss. This will only help Manninhgam and Crabtree.

Moss is one dimensional if that dimension is he can catch TD's.

Ginn is one dimensional as he is not a WR, he is a KR/PR.

I think Moss and Ginn make the team and Kyle Williams is cut. Ginn is a better KR/PR and Moss is a better receiver.
Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
People, they are sill in unpadded practices. Until I see how these guys perform under fire, with a full playbook, in live practices, my pre-1st cut WR depth chart will remain:

1 - Crabs (Regrettably, but this is a make-or-break-season for him. For sure, JH & Roman are going to put him in prime position to breakout this year. If he don't he won't be a 49er next season. It's as simple as that.)

2 - A. J. (You don't pick a guy 1st, regardless of were in the 1st, at a position of drastic need only to throw him at the bottom of the depth chart. Unless he bombs in pre-season he'll be no worse than #2. I know I'm alone on this but, trust me, when it becomes live with the pads this guy is gonna show why he was our 1st pick.

3 - Manningham (He's gonna be pushing for starting time for sure but I don't see him being better, or worse than #3 unless William makes it very difficult to keep him off the field, which I expect him to do.

4 - Williams/Moss (I am still not convinced Moss will make the team. I don't care how good he looks in unpadded practices. Until he shows different than his previous 15 years in the league I'll remain skeptical about his chances to make the 53. I don't see Williams getting cut (something else I know I'm alone on). I think Williams has a lot to proves and will make it very difficult for JH to keep him off the field. He'll push Manningham. If Moss makes the final 53 I think one dimensional players like Ginn are in trouble.)

5 - If we keep 6 WR's then I'll only pencil Ginn in this spot only because we haven't seen these undrafted guys perform in true battle yet. But if one of the undrafted guys perform well in preseason and if we keep only 5 WR's I don't see Ginn making the final 53. If the 49ers keep only 5 WR's this will be one of the team shockers for who gets cut and an undrafted dark-horse that makes it. With this team being so deep at WR players like Ginn can ill-afford to be one dimensional, especially if players like Parrish Cox and LaMichael James prove more than adequate in the return game. There' no way around it: Ginn is gonna have to push somebody at the WR spot to remain on this roster (i.e becoming a much better receiver). Coach Herm Edwards uses the term "availability". And on a team this deep most non-starting players have to be truly "available" at different positions, not just healthy, to give JH & Co. a reason to keep you over the next guy. Is Ginn currently available at all?

6 - If we keep 6 WR's Ginn's chances becomes better and one of the undrafted guys makes it here for sure. Even them Ginn has to be a better WR. If Moss makes the team I cannot see Ginn making the team given his one dimensional nature.

wait so unless he shows different than being basically the 2nd most dominant WR of all time you mean?
KW FTW!
Making haters hate!
AJ #2?????? Maybe next year.
What's wrong with this picture?

Originally posted by Joecool:
In terms of statistical production, I think this is how it will turn out.

1- Michael Crabtree: If he has finally worked on his speed and chemistry, then he has the most tools of all our WR's. (88 rec 1000 yds)
2. Vernon Davis: He's going to bust out on yards per reception this year with Moss being able to open the field up: (68 rec 1000yds)
3- Mario Manningham/Moss: These 2 are the deep threats and may both have similar stats (around 600 yards a peice but Moss may be in double digit TDs)
4- Kyle Williams: He will have around 400 yards but they will be critical downs/move the chain yards. I don't think there's a defense that can cover this guy under 10 yards.
5- AJ Jenkins: He will get around 300 but mostly late in the year with a little specialist duty prior to then.


I guess this means Alex throws for around 3900 which is reasonable in this offense.

I think that's pretty reasonable. I doubt AJ sees much action and I think the Williams/Manningham duo will only combine for about 800-900yds. Moss and Crabs should both push towards 1000yds though.

I like for Alex to throw for about 3600 yds and 25 TDs. I thinks that's realistic with Moss stretching the field, Vernon's progression, and James on the screen plays (particularly later in the season). A 4000 yd season isn't unrealistic. With the weapons we have, Alex very well could top 4000 yds and have 25+ TDs.
[ Edited by strickac on Jun 16, 2012 at 6:10 PM ]
Originally posted by KowboyKiller:
What's wrong with this picture?


There are two #85's out there
Originally posted by 228niner:
There are two #85's out there

oh i thought it was b/c they weren't fighting like 2 years ago
1. Moss
2. Crabs
3. Manningham
4. Jenkins
5. Ginn
6. Williams

If Ginn was not such a premier return man, he'd never make it. But he's one of the best, if not, the best in the league so he's a lock. That said, these six make it and I'd be shocked if it wasn't in that order.
Ginn gets lots of knocks but there's a good chance his presence is worth SB6 last year. As the Championship game set up Ginn would have been the most productive receiver for the Niners. You have to play off him opening up ten yard outs. Manningham makes the big play but can be invisible. As far as Crabs, judging by past performances any good corner shuts him down. Moss can open up the entire field. Williams? The pain is still there.