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Originally posted by RolandDeschain:
In the view of this Seahawks fan, it seems like Harbaugh slowed the future of Jenkins (and depending on how Jenkins feels, possibly even ruined him for the team in a worst case scenario) to stick with a veteran solely for the "win now" aspect. Even if he WAS that bad in practices throughout the year, (doubtful, frankly) the learning experience in real games would surely have helped him a lot. Particularly if he had to go up against our secondary a couple of times. If his problem was rookie ego, he'd have been humbled right quickly.
I'll be curious to see what happens with him in the 49ers training camp/pre-season/regular season. The decision to keep him off the field for the year might have cost you guys the Super Bowl. (Obviously, there's never just one thing that causes a win or a loss, but there are typically a couple of things you can point to that would have made a difference in the W/L column.)
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Originally posted by RolandDeschain:
In the view of this Seahawks fan, it seems like Harbaugh slowed the future of Jenkins (and depending on how Jenkins feels, possibly even ruined him for the team in a worst case scenario) to stick with a veteran solely for the "win now" aspect. Even if he WAS that bad in practices throughout the year, (doubtful, frankly) the learning experience in real games would surely have helped him a lot. Particularly if he had to go up against our secondary a couple of times. If his problem was rookie ego, he'd have been humbled right quickly.
I'll be curious to see what happens with him in the 49ers training camp/pre-season/regular season. The decision to keep him off the field for the year might have cost you guys the Super Bowl. (Obviously, there's never just one thing that causes a win or a loss, but there are typically a couple of things you can point to that would have made a difference in the W/L column.)
Who is seattle looking at with their first pick this year?
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
... percy harvin
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
... percy harvin
The 25th best WR in the league for a first rounder?
Pretty steep.
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
... percy harvin
The 25th best WR in the league for a first rounder?
Pretty steep.
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
... percy harvin
The 25th best WR in the league for a first rounder?
Pretty steep.
He's either a top 10 WR or not playing due to injury. But I guess, on average, 25th best is about right.
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
... percy harvin
The 25th best WR in the league for a first rounder?
Pretty steep.
He's either a top 10 WR or not playing due to injury. But I guess, on average, 25th best is about right.
Here are 10 receivers i would take over Harvin, injured or not:
Megatron
Andre Johnson
Julio Jones
AJ Green
Roddy White
Brandon Marshall
Dez Bryant
Demaryius Thomas
Victor Cruz
Mike Wallace
I could go on. Harvin isn't that good. Not sure why they gave up that much for him.
Originally posted by RolandDeschain:
It's amazing how nobody around here seems to think going from Ponder to Wilson for a WR's QB will make any difference. It sure didn't make any difference going from Smith to Kaepernick for Crabtree, right?
Can someone explain any logical reasoning as to why Harvin wouldn't have improved play with Wilson? Also, anybody that wants to point out attitude problems, don't forget how long Crabtree held out on you guys for...as a rookie..I'm not trolling or trying to start a fight, I just am honestly curious why so many are writing off Harvin. His migraine issues are licked, and he has publicly disparaged Ponder who we all know is a mediocre QB at best. Frankly, I see very little cause for concern. Before the ankle, he missed 3 games due to injury in his career. Hardly a big injury history.
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
... percy harvin
The 25th best WR in the league for a first rounder?
Pretty steep.
He's either a top 10 WR or not playing due to injury. But I guess, on average, 25th best is about right.
Here are 10 receivers i would take over Harvin, injured or not:
Megatron
Andre Johnson
Julio Jones
AJ Green
Roddy White
Brandon Marshall
Dez Bryant
Demaryius Thomas
Victor Cruz
Mike Wallace
I could go on. Harvin isn't that good. Not sure why they gave up that much for him.
I think I have Harvin ranked higher than you, as well as Michael Crabtree. Here's my list above Harvin...
Megatron
Fitzgerald
Andre Johnson
Julio Jones
AJ Green
Roddy White
Brandon Marshall
Dez Bryant
Demaryius Thomas
Michael Crabtree
Originally posted by RolandDeschain:It's amazing how nobody around here seems to think going from Ponder to Wilson for a WR's QB will make any difference. It sure didn't make any difference going from Smith to Kaepernick for Crabtree, right?
Can someone explain any logical reasoning as to why Harvin wouldn't have improved play with Wilson? Also, anybody that wants to point out attitude problems, don't forget how long Crabtree held out on you guys for...as a rookie..I'm not trolling or trying to start a fight, I just am honestly curious why so many are writing off Harvin. His migraine issues are licked, and he has publicly disparaged Ponder who we all know is a mediocre QB at best. Frankly, I see very little cause for concern. Before the ankle, he missed 3 games due to injury in his career. Hardly a big injury history.
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Dark Tower:
I think Percy Harvin was a really good pick up. The cost was high, but his ceiling is really, really high. I think he's better than Mike Wallace, and you guys got him cheaper (contract wise). But factor in the draft compensation, it remains to be seen. I'm sure he'll improve going to Wilson, but I think you may be underselling Ponder. Until Harvin went down, he had the best comp % in the league (because of the short passes to him and AP) and was having a good season. Harvin should be a good player for the next few years, but his size is concerning, especially for a long term deal.
For what it's worth, I would have made the same trade (before the Anquan Boldin trade happened) for Harvin. In hindsight, the Boldin deal is significantly more palatable for our team, especially given the great unknown of AJ Jenkins.
Good to have 'enemy' fans that are actually knowledgeable and not just trolls. I'm sure we'll be fighting tooth and nail all year
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Nobody in here disagrees with this. But no matter how you try and spin it, you traded a bunch of picks for a guy who hasnt broken 1000 yards as a number one wr, and had a medical condition, whether its under control or not, and a guy who is demanding mega millions.
You came in here to say seanut fans think harbaugh cripple AJ by not playing him.
Maybe, but thats isn't as crippleing as trading for a kick returner who can play WR and RB.
Originally posted by RolandDeschain:My point is he hasn't proven anything worth a first round pick, not to mention the other picks SEA sacrificed I know he can be explosive, when he's out there. That was another one of my points. He is sort of injury prone.
Long days and pleasant nights, sai. :)
Harvin's not built like a bulldog, that is for sure; but presumably, he wouldn't have his ridiculous burner speed if he was. He's pretty close to Jerry Rice's build for his height; Rice was 6'2", 200 lbs, and Harvin's 5'11", 184 lbs. (Nobody get started on me comparing Harvin to Rice, I'm talking strictly about physical build as it relates to durability/injury likeliness.)
We'll just have to wait and see; but assuming he's healthy the whole year, I'll be surprised if he doesn't crack a thousand yards. Honestly, though, I'm not even disappointed if he doesn't, if he hits 1,500+ all-purpose yards. We could get very creative with him in the backfield, potentially. Let's say for the same of argument that he finishes with 971 yards receiving, 11 passing touchdowns, 5 rushing touchdowns, and 2 return touchdowns. Is anybody going to argue that he's not worth the price we paid (picks and $) if he brings that every year? Heck no.
Yes, we paid a hefty price in terms of the picks, and a relatively expensive though not mind-blowingly so price in dollars for him, which luckily is not back-loaded, for a guy who has yet to break 1,000 yards receiving in a single year. What's your point? That he's not proven? Before his ankle injury (where he was likely IR'd due to conflicts with his head coach more than anything, honestly) he was on track to blow way past a thousand yards. Watch his highlights, the dude is explosive for yards after the catch. Given a real QB, I think you'll be surprised by his production. We shall see. I think you're hoping he won't produce much more than expecting, though.
