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AJ Jenkins is a 49er

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Hard to tell, both players are small. I will say that he does have good WR skills that you look for. Who knows, if he comes up big, then Baalke will look even better.

Dude K Dub might be shorter but he's is naturally waaaay stronger than AJ. He's got some thickness to him, that's why he can block.
AJ looks like he'll have to put a lot of effort into getting stronger, not that he can't do it.
Originally posted by captain_planet:
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Hard to tell, both players are small. I will say that he does have good WR skills that you look for. Who knows, if he comes up big, then Baalke will look even better.

Dude K Dub might be shorter but he's is naturally waaaay stronger than AJ. He's got some thickness to him, that's why he can block.
AJ looks like he'll have to put a lot of effort into getting stronger, not that he can't do it.

Kyle Williams got a lot thicker after another offseason with uweyama? After the NFCCG. Now AJ is with Kaep but I hope he gets a lot of time in with Uwe this summer also. If he does, he will be strong enough
Too early to say he's a bust? Maybe, but sure LOOKS like at the very best, we have a solid practice squadder.
Over the last 30 years, 104 wide receivers have been drafted in the first round. Here's a breakdown of how how they did in their rookie season, based on number of receptions:

90+: 1 (Best* WR: Terry Glenn – 90)80-89: 1 (Best WR: Michael Clayton – 80)70-79: 1 (Best WR: Dwayne Bowe – 70)60-69: 9 (Best WR: Randy Moss – 69)50-59: 13 (Best WR: Larry Fitzgerald – 58)40-49: 24 (Best WR: Jerry Rice – 49**)30-39: 15 (Best WR: Michael Irvin – 32)20-29: 18 (Best WR: Reggie Wayne – 27)10-19: 7 (Best WR: Irving Fryar – 11)1-9: 11 (Best WR: Santana Moss – 2)0: 4 (Best WR: well, it's a long story…)


http://www.bayareasportsguy.com/a-j-jenkins-rookie-season-was-historically-bad/
Yes, but on the other hand, there are lots of receivers who have done horribly in their first season, but ended up very productive in the NFL.

Wes Welker had no catches in his first season. John Taylor had 3 catches for 157 yards and no TD's. For the list above, you have to go deeper into the numbers and evaluate how many receivers the teams those players went to had at the time and how many times they were running multiple receiver sets. Jerry Rice, for example, came to a Niners team that had an aging Freddie Solomon and Dwight Clark as the 1 and 2 receivers. And, Walsh was running multiple receiver sets all the time. Last season, by contrast, there were already four receivers in starting positions ahead of any rookie on a team that very seldom ran a set with more than 2 wideouts. They usually only suited up three wide receivers for games.
I posted this in the Randy Moss thread over in FA forum but it fits here as well.

In an interview with Cincinnati media, Bengals HC Marvin Lewis expressed rather strong criticism of the 49ers for playing Randy Moss ahead of AJ Jenkins last season. According to Lewis, not only did Moss contribute little to the 49er offense, it prevented Jenkins from getting the playing time necessary to develop.

http://cincinnati.com/blogs/bengals/2013/03/17/lewis-discusses-free-agency/

Though it is somewhat in hindsight, I happen to agree with Lewis. As we have discussed in the Jenkins thread, either Baalke and the scouts did a lousy job of scouting Jenkins, or they grossly overestimated what Moss could bring to the team. Though Harbaugh often praised Moss for his "professionalism" and locker room presence, I believe that not using Jenkins at all was a high price to pay for Moss' "presence."

At this time last year it was clear that perhaps the greatest area of need was at WR, hence the moves to sign Moss and Manningham plus drafting Jenkins. Now with Moss moving toward retirement and Manningham a BIG question mark for next season, the 49ers still do not know what they have in Jenkins. Harbaugh's failure to include Jenkins at least enough to know whether he was a Baalke screw-up or not, puts the team in the same place they were at this time last season - they need to draft another WR to give them the speed (and height) they will need to compete against the better secondaries around the league, most particularly the Seattle secondary.
Originally posted by dj43:
I posted this in the Randy Moss thread over in FA forum but it fits here as well.

In an interview with Cincinnati media, Bengals HC Marvin Lewis expressed rather strong criticism of the 49ers for playing Randy Moss ahead of AJ Jenkins last season. According to Lewis, not only did Moss contribute little to the 49er offense, it prevented Jenkins from getting the playing time necessary to develop.

http://cincinnati.com/blogs/bengals/2013/03/17/lewis-discusses-free-agency/

Though it is somewhat in hindsight, I happen to agree with Lewis. As we have discussed in the Jenkins thread, either Baalke and the scouts did a lousy job of scouting Jenkins, or they grossly overestimated what Moss could bring to the team. Though Harbaugh often praised Moss for his "professionalism" and locker room presence, I believe that not using Jenkins at all was a high price to pay for Moss' "presence."

At this time last year it was clear that perhaps the greatest area of need was at WR, hence the moves to sign Moss and Manningham plus drafting Jenkins. Now with Moss moving toward retirement and Manningham a BIG question mark for next season, the 49ers still do not know what they have in Jenkins. Harbaugh's failure to include Jenkins at least enough to know whether he was a Baalke screw-up or not, puts the team in the same place they were at this time last season - they need to draft another WR to give them the speed (and height) they will need to compete against the better secondaries around the league, most particularly the Seattle secondary.

Agreed. Brandon Jacobs was in the same boat. If Hunter and Jacobs didn't get hurt we would have never seen LMJ on the field. Let's hope this trend of giving these older guys a higher spot on the depth chart just because they were good before doesn't continue.
Originally posted by dj43:
I posted this in the Randy Moss thread over in FA forum but it fits here as well.

In an interview with Cincinnati media, Bengals HC Marvin Lewis expressed rather strong criticism of the 49ers for playing Randy Moss ahead of AJ Jenkins last season. According to Lewis, not only did Moss contribute little to the 49er offense, it prevented Jenkins from getting the playing time necessary to develop.

http://cincinnati.com/blogs/bengals/2013/03/17/lewis-discusses-free-agency/

Though it is somewhat in hindsight, I happen to agree with Lewis. As we have discussed in the Jenkins thread, either Baalke and the scouts did a lousy job of scouting Jenkins, or they grossly overestimated what Moss could bring to the team. Though Harbaugh often praised Moss for his "professionalism" and locker room presence, I believe that not using Jenkins at all was a high price to pay for Moss' "presence."

At this time last year it was clear that perhaps the greatest area of need was at WR, hence the moves to sign Moss and Manningham plus drafting Jenkins. Now with Moss moving toward retirement and Manningham a BIG question mark for next season, the 49ers still do not know what they have in Jenkins. Harbaugh's failure to include Jenkins at least enough to know whether he was a Baalke screw-up or not, puts the team in the same place they were at this time last season - they need to draft another WR to give them the speed (and height) they will need to compete against the better secondaries around the league, most particularly the Seattle secondary.

We fans don't know what we have in Jenkins. I think the staff knows what they have. The rest of us won't be sure until September.
Originally posted by dj43:
I posted this in the Randy Moss thread over in FA forum but it fits here as well.

In an interview with Cincinnati media, Bengals HC Marvin Lewis expressed rather strong criticism of the 49ers for playing Randy Moss ahead of AJ Jenkins last season. According to Lewis, not only did Moss contribute little to the 49er offense, it prevented Jenkins from getting the playing time necessary to develop.

http://cincinnati.com/blogs/bengals/2013/03/17/lewis-discusses-free-agency/

Though it is somewhat in hindsight, I happen to agree with Lewis. As we have discussed in the Jenkins thread, either Baalke and the scouts did a lousy job of scouting Jenkins, or they grossly overestimated what Moss could bring to the team. Though Harbaugh often praised Moss for his "professionalism" and locker room presence, I believe that not using Jenkins at all was a high price to pay for Moss' "presence."

At this time last year it was clear that perhaps the greatest area of need was at WR, hence the moves to sign Moss and Manningham plus drafting Jenkins. Now with Moss moving toward retirement and Manningham a BIG question mark for next season, the 49ers still do not know what they have in Jenkins. Harbaugh's failure to include Jenkins at least enough to know whether he was a Baalke screw-up or not, puts the team in the same place they were at this time last season - they need to draft another WR to give them the speed (and height) they will need to compete against the better secondaries around the league, most particularly the Seattle secondary.

Or maybe he couldnt even learn his assignments correctly?

Real easy to lose playing time when you dont know your assignments. Harbaugh wasnt just blindly not playing him for the sake of not playing him. Something was going on. Hence why we saw a no namer getting playing time at the end of the season while Jenkins was collecting splinters with his ass.
Originally posted by paperplanemedia:
Agreed. Brandon Jacobs was in the same boat. If Hunter and Jacobs didn't get hurt we would have never seen LMJ on the field. Let's hope this trend of giving these older guys a higher spot on the depth chart just because they were good before doesn't continue.

How is it any were close to the same situation? Jacobs had 5 carries; and spent the entire year on the inactive list. James got in when Hunter went down, and there was room for him to play. Hunter was simply the better RB. If he comes back healthy and recovers fully, he will still be the better RB.
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
How is it any were close to the same situation? Jacobs had 5 carries; and spent the entire year on the inactive list. James got in when Hunter went down, and there was room for him to play. Hunter was simply the better RB. If he comes back healthy and recovers fully, he will still be the better RB.

I'm talking about LMJ vs. Brandon Jacobs. No doubt Hunter is better than both.
Lack of strength probably would effect him more for a long grueling season, not a couple of plays a game. And the coaches would have cherry-picked pass patterns where strength was not an issue. There must have been serious issues to keep an expensive first-rounder out of there. We will see next year.
Originally posted by paperplanemedia:
Originally posted by dj43:
I posted this in the Randy Moss thread over in FA forum but it fits here as well.

In an interview with Cincinnati media, Bengals HC Marvin Lewis expressed rather strong criticism of the 49ers for playing Randy Moss ahead of AJ Jenkins last season. According to Lewis, not only did Moss contribute little to the 49er offense, it prevented Jenkins from getting the playing time necessary to develop.

http://cincinnati.com/blogs/bengals/2013/03/17/lewis-discusses-free-agency/

Though it is somewhat in hindsight, I happen to agree with Lewis. As we have discussed in the Jenkins thread, either Baalke and the scouts did a lousy job of scouting Jenkins, or they grossly overestimated what Moss could bring to the team. Though Harbaugh often praised Moss for his "professionalism" and locker room presence, I believe that not using Jenkins at all was a high price to pay for Moss' "presence."

At this time last year it was clear that perhaps the greatest area of need was at WR, hence the moves to sign Moss and Manningham plus drafting Jenkins. Now with Moss moving toward retirement and Manningham a BIG question mark for next season, the 49ers still do not know what they have in Jenkins. Harbaugh's failure to include Jenkins at least enough to know whether he was a Baalke screw-up or not, puts the team in the same place they were at this time last season - they need to draft another WR to give them the speed (and height) they will need to compete against the better secondaries around the league, most particularly the Seattle secondary.

Agreed. Brandon Jacobs was in the same boat. If Hunter and Jacobs didn't get hurt we would have never seen LMJ on the field. Let's hope this trend of giving these older guys a higher spot on the depth chart just because they were good before doesn't continue.

I am in general agreement with your sentiment here but the situation at RB was rather different than at WR. The 49ers knew they were loaded at RB and LMJ was sort of a bonus pick who could become sort of a Percy Harvin hybrid RB/WR. The WR situation was obviously a greater need all season long.

It was clear two years ago that Moss had very little left. His speed was gone and he was never a good route runner. His game was pure speed and vertical leaping ability. He was a stop gap hope. In hindsight, that was a vain hope.

I just do not buy the idea that Jenkins is so lacking in brain power that the staff could not have put him in for 5 or 6 plays that he did know well and see for sure what he could do. Of course if the 49ers do not draft a WR until the later rounds it would suggest they believe Jenkins can be the guy but that is a stretch, IMO. Until you see a guy in the game, you don't really know what he can do. In this case, the PT given to Moss seems to have set the timetable back for Jenkins and the rest of the passing game.
double post...
[ Edited by dj43 on Mar 18, 2013 at 11:13 AM ]
better have at least 500 yards this year with a few TD's.
Originally posted by jreff22:
better have at least 500 yards this year with a few TD's.

It's just hard for me to imagine Jenkins was so bad that even after MM and Williams went down that he could not get in the game at all. Moss wasn't doing anything to speak of and giving up 6-10 plays a game for him in order to find out what Jenkins had doesn't seem like so much of a stretch. Lewis made a good point, IMO.