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2012 49ers WR Corps

Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
LOL Dirty yourgrasping st straws with your argument man....You really tried to say that Crabtree contributed with his one catch?

Dude was shut down and dominated by the giants third CB....LOL....

Somene else on here tried telling me once that VD was only good because crabtree draws the double.....LOL...

KW is the future at the SLOT position...book it.

Jeez. Again, you missed the entire point of what I said. Probably because you only read part of what I said. My response was to someone who said Crabtree deserved to be moved this offseason based on his production. In the same statement, he stated that Kyle Williams is solid and should start next year. I was merely underlining the ridiculous hipocracy in that statement. Not that Crabtree had a meaningful contribution in the NFC Championship

You are drawing straws in trying to prove me wrong about something. Please feel free to take a moment to try to comprehend what someone is saying before you pick out a talking point and try to make that the subject of the conversation.
Originally posted by DirtyP:
My point of Goldson being a starter is that he contributed positively in the game along with his mistakes. Kyle Williams name was only called for crucial, bonehead mistakes.

I respect your opinion, but if you think Goldson is as responsible for the loss as Williams you are insane. Goldson was trying to make an interception on a play and collided with Brown. Plays like that happen i in football. The mistakes Williams made are not acceptable in professional football.

We will be more of a passing team in the coming years and I am willing to put money on that. We have a QB guru leading directing the offense, and I find it hard to believe that his ultimate vision to his team is one that scores 7 points through the air per game like they did last year. What else is a coach supposed to do when he inherits a running oriented team with no offseason to work with? He did the smart thing and played to his teams strength. We passed more as the year went on but unfortunately Josh Morgan and Braylon Edwards were unable to contribute, which forced guys like Kyle Williams onto the field.

How about making your points without the assumption of me being insane. K Thanks
Originally posted by backfieldpenetration:
I am so glad that MC is properly bashed on these forums. Everyone knows that a 64% catch rate and 5.2 YAC average are completely garbage numbers. What good is this guy? He sucks. Not one good thing about his play. I also like that we excuse Alex Smith for lack of passing yards due to "attempts" throwing the football. It's a rational reason, of course. That same theory doesn't apply to Crabtree though.....If the offense only throws it 400 times, as a receiver, you are obviously expected to get 1500 yards or you're a bust. Yes, that makes perfect sense. Oh and the diva aspect....Yes, it's quite true that the best blocking WR in football is obviously not a "team player". If you block your ass off in the run game.....You are herby a diva. Hines Ward? Biggest diva of all time. Infallible logic.

Nice post. Cool handle
Originally posted by LoneWolf:
How about making your points without the assumption of me being insane. K Thanks

Excellent rebuttal. You win.
Originally posted by DirtyP:
Excellent rebuttal. You win.
Useless debate. Moving on.
[ Edited by LoneWolf on Mar 25, 2012 at 3:38 PM ]
If only we all had the IQ of LoneWolf. What a genius. I bow to your knowledge, kind sir.
Originally posted by DirtyP:
Originally posted by backfieldpenetration:
I am so glad that MC is properly bashed on these forums. Everyone knows that a 64% catch rate and 5.2 YAC average are completely garbage numbers. What good is this guy? He sucks. Not one good thing about his play. I also like that we excuse Alex Smith for lack of passing yards due to "attempts" throwing the football. It's a rational reason, of course. That same theory doesn't apply to Crabtree though.....If the offense only throws it 400 times, as a receiver, you are obviously expected to get 1500 yards or you're a bust. Yes, that makes perfect sense. Oh and the diva aspect....Yes, it's quite true that the best blocking WR in football is obviously not a "team player". If you block your ass off in the run game.....You are herby a diva. Hines Ward? Biggest diva of all time. Infallible logic.

Nice post. Cool handle

You really just compared crabtree to Hines ward, as far as diva perception is concerned? LOL
[ Edited by IdahoNiner on Mar 25, 2012 at 3:59 PM ]
Originally posted by backfieldpenetration:
If only we all had the IQ of LoneWolf. What a genius. I bow to your knowledge, kind sir.
I do tend to impress myself sometimes, thank you for noticing
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
You really just compared crabtree to Hines ward, as far as diva perception is concerned? LOL

No use he's been banned already.
Originally posted by LoneWolf:
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
You really just compared crabtree to Hines ward, as far as diva perception is concerned? LOL

No use he's been banned already.

Yea, i was gonna comment on his assumption that Crabtree is the best blocking WR in football.....but like you said....

I thought any WR could block well given a well designed play.....
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
Yea, i was gonna comment on his assumption that Crabtree is the best blocking WR in football.....but like you said....

I thought any WR could block well given a well designed play.....

I agree. I have not been too impressed with Crabtree since the beginning of his career, rocky starts such a holdouts while taking advice from Deion Sanders don't give a good first impression. I understand his stats have grown every season, and he knows how to block, blocking makes you no more of a team player, its the complaining about blocking so much that give the opinion of not being a good team player. Like I said Im just not sure our offense is the correct offense for him, I hope im wrong and we send him over the middle where a possession receiver will excel so his stats skyrocket. Despite popular opinion, I don't think the 49ers passing game is going to change any strategy wise, only stat wise. The only way we become a more pass heavy team is with the image we are passing more by having better passing stats. Sounds farfetched I know but completing 5% more passes getting 600 more passing yards in can give off the image we threw more when we really just completed more passes. Moss is by far the biggest question mark, but maybe being on the other side of the Bay we will see the good Randy and not the Randy from Oakland. Ginn i think is going to change his approach a little to try to adjust to skills more to receiving in TC because since he is on a 1 year contract he is going to want to boost his receiver stats so he can land a receivers contract next season and not just a specialist's contract. Manningham I think is a good receiver not Garcon like I wanted but I wouldnt have paid what the Skins paid for Garcon anyways. I think under Cruz and Nicks he has been outshined alot, and his skills are fairly underestimated.
Harbaugh wants two Big bodied WR's as bookends, and he wants a guy just like Williams in the Slot. Williams could turn out to be the prefect slot WR for harbaughs offense.

Look for us to add a guy Like Jefferey in the second as insurance to moss. Williams isaint going nowhere.
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
Harbaugh wants two Big bodied WR's as bookends, and he wants a guy just like Williams in the Slot. Williams could turn out to be the prefect slot WR for harbaughs offense.

Look for us to add a guy Like Jefferey in the second as insurance to moss. Williams isaint going nowhere.

I agree I think first receiver we have that will probably be gone would be Moss, But i doubt Crabs would be cut, traded maybe, but very very very doubtful he would ever be cut, we've invested to much in him.
Originally posted by LoneWolf:
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
Harbaugh wants two Big bodied WR's as bookends, and he wants a guy just like Williams in the Slot. Williams could turn out to be the prefect slot WR for harbaughs offense.

Look for us to add a guy Like Jefferey in the second as insurance to moss. Williams isaint going nowhere.

I agree I think first receiver we have that will probably be gone would be Moss, But i doubt Crabs would be cut, traded maybe, but very very very doubtful he would ever be cut, we've invested to much in him.
Keep in mind though, that Harbaugh has no Connection to Crabtree. I agree that i dont think Crabtree would be cut, because at the very least i think the club could get a 4th/5th out of him.

However i think the money factor is a non issue. Spencer's roll last year is evidence that the club doesnt care aout who gets paid what. The best players on the roster at the time will play.

Others have said that Manningham's contract reflects that the club thinks Crabtree iw a Better WR than him.....Which IMO is rediculous. If crabtree hit the open market today he wouldnt even sniff anything close to his rookie contract.
Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
Originally posted by defenderDX:
Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
Originally posted by defenderDX:
Originally posted by Daniel2778:
agreed. we need to pick up at least 2 WR's in the draft

2?
yes 2. Crabs, Moss, Manningham, Ginn, High draft pick, mid to low draft pick. i think were keepin 6

We have williams too dude.. and he's a solid WR in terms of depth.

Moss, Crabs, Manningham, Williams, Ginn, + 2 more? that's 7. plus we still have VD and Walker.
i dont think Williams will make the team. they need more size with manningham and moss being smaller build guys. moss is huge but he probably weighs as much as williams. i think they need to restock the WR corps. williams just seems like the odd man out even without the fumbles. he was a decent WR but they need more impact from the position

We have our impact with Moss and Manningham. Williams is great for depth. There is no reason to cut him. At all.
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