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Anyone else think Harbaalke is totally down with CK-2012?

Anyone else think Harbaalke is totally down with CK-2012?

Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Jersey9er:
I don think harbaugh is "down" with CK in 2012 one bit. I think he truly does want Smith back.

So actually IMHO, the organization did kind of screw with Smith and other teams. Now yes, Smith has said maybe once or twice he wants to be back and they want him.

Harbaugh has come straight out and said Smith's our guy. At least 5 times, after the season was over.

So how did the 49ers do this. Anyone notice that since the end of the season, all we have been hearing about is Smith coming back. Harbaugh Smith coming back. Even every tv show that talked about us, just knew Smith was coming back. So i mean if u hear that you know a guy is coming back almost automatically, then why would you even attempt to make him an offer.

If after the season ended all you heard from our organization is how Smith is coming back. Why even entertain the idea. I think that also has a lot to do with why we have heard of no one calling just yet.

I don't buy into much Harbaugh says in terms of personnel decisions. He pumped Morgan up also.

Yeah, but I would argue Morgan chose to leave us to go to the Skins for more money... not the other way around.
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Originally posted by NickSh49:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Jersey9er:
I don think harbaugh is "down" with CK in 2012 one bit. I think he truly does want Smith back.

So actually IMHO, the organization did kind of screw with Smith and other teams. Now yes, Smith has said maybe once or twice he wants to be back and they want him.

Harbaugh has come straight out and said Smith's our guy. At least 5 times, after the season was over.

So how did the 49ers do this. Anyone notice that since the end of the season, all we have been hearing about is Smith coming back. Harbaugh Smith coming back. Even every tv show that talked about us, just knew Smith was coming back. So i mean if u hear that you know a guy is coming back almost automatically, then why would you even attempt to make him an offer.

If after the season ended all you heard from our organization is how Smith is coming back. Why even entertain the idea. I think that also has a lot to do with why we have heard of no one calling just yet.

I don't buy into much Harbaugh says in terms of personnel decisions. He pumped Morgan up also.

Yeah, but I would argue Morgan chose to leave us to go to the Skins for more money... not the other way around.

agreed Morgan wanted to leave. He was worth more then the money we offered him(at least in Washington's mind) and he will start opposite Garcon and have RG3 throwing to him.

The money and the starting gig sent Morgan packing.
Originally posted by sfout:
Originally posted by NickSh49:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Jersey9er:
I don think harbaugh is "down" with CK in 2012 one bit. I think he truly does want Smith back.

So actually IMHO, the organization did kind of screw with Smith and other teams. Now yes, Smith has said maybe once or twice he wants to be back and they want him.

Harbaugh has come straight out and said Smith's our guy. At least 5 times, after the season was over.

So how did the 49ers do this. Anyone notice that since the end of the season, all we have been hearing about is Smith coming back. Harbaugh Smith coming back. Even every tv show that talked about us, just knew Smith was coming back. So i mean if u hear that you know a guy is coming back almost automatically, then why would you even attempt to make him an offer.

If after the season ended all you heard from our organization is how Smith is coming back. Why even entertain the idea. I think that also has a lot to do with why we have heard of no one calling just yet.

I don't buy into much Harbaugh says in terms of personnel decisions. He pumped Morgan up also.

Yeah, but I would argue Morgan chose to leave us to go to the Skins for more money... not the other way around.

agreed Morgan wanted to leave. He was worth more then the money we offered him(at least in Washington's mind) and he will start opposite Garcon and have RG3 throwing to him.

The money and the starting gig sent Morgan packing.

$6 million a year for Josh Morgan is just not worth it. That's absurdly overpaid. But that's the Redskins.
[ Edited by SanDiego49er on Mar 14, 2012 at 1:41 PM ]
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by sfout:
Originally posted by NickSh49:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Jersey9er:
I don think harbaugh is "down" with CK in 2012 one bit. I think he truly does want Smith back.

So actually IMHO, the organization did kind of screw with Smith and other teams. Now yes, Smith has said maybe once or twice he wants to be back and they want him.

Harbaugh has come straight out and said Smith's our guy. At least 5 times, after the season was over.

So how did the 49ers do this. Anyone notice that since the end of the season, all we have been hearing about is Smith coming back. Harbaugh Smith coming back. Even every tv show that talked about us, just knew Smith was coming back. So i mean if u hear that you know a guy is coming back almost automatically, then why would you even attempt to make him an offer.

If after the season ended all you heard from our organization is how Smith is coming back. Why even entertain the idea. I think that also has a lot to do with why we have heard of no one calling just yet.

I don't buy into much Harbaugh says in terms of personnel decisions. He pumped Morgan up also.

Yeah, but I would argue Morgan chose to leave us to go to the Skins for more money... not the other way around.

agreed Morgan wanted to leave. He was worth more then the money we offered him(at least in Washington's mind) and he will start opposite Garcon and have RG3 throwing to him.

The money and the starting gig sent Morgan packing.

$6 million a year for Josh Morgan is just not worth it. That's absurdly overpaid. But that's the Redskins.

Who cares? It just goes to show JH really pumped a guy up and we didn't keep him. Same could happen with Alex. I think JH should just stay away from GM type comments.
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by sfout:
Originally posted by NickSh49:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Jersey9er:
I don think harbaugh is "down" with CK in 2012 one bit. I think he truly does want Smith back.

So actually IMHO, the organization did kind of screw with Smith and other teams. Now yes, Smith has said maybe once or twice he wants to be back and they want him.

Harbaugh has come straight out and said Smith's our guy. At least 5 times, after the season was over.

So how did the 49ers do this. Anyone notice that since the end of the season, all we have been hearing about is Smith coming back. Harbaugh Smith coming back. Even every tv show that talked about us, just knew Smith was coming back. So i mean if u hear that you know a guy is coming back almost automatically, then why would you even attempt to make him an offer.

If after the season ended all you heard from our organization is how Smith is coming back. Why even entertain the idea. I think that also has a lot to do with why we have heard of no one calling just yet.

I don't buy into much Harbaugh says in terms of personnel decisions. He pumped Morgan up also.

Yeah, but I would argue Morgan chose to leave us to go to the Skins for more money... not the other way around.

agreed Morgan wanted to leave. He was worth more then the money we offered him(at least in Washington's mind) and he will start opposite Garcon and have RG3 throwing to him.

The money and the starting gig sent Morgan packing.

$6 million a year for Josh Morgan is just not worth it. That's absurdly overpaid. But that's the Redskins.

Who cares? It just goes to show JH really pumped a guy up and we didn't keep him. Same could happen with Alex. I think JH should just stay away from GM type comments.

I wouldn't pay Morgan $6 million per year. He's a $3 million / year type player. That's it. Let him go for that.
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Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by sfout:
Originally posted by NickSh49:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Jersey9er:
I don think harbaugh is "down" with CK in 2012 one bit. I think he truly does want Smith back.

So actually IMHO, the organization did kind of screw with Smith and other teams. Now yes, Smith has said maybe once or twice he wants to be back and they want him.

Harbaugh has come straight out and said Smith's our guy. At least 5 times, after the season was over.

So how did the 49ers do this. Anyone notice that since the end of the season, all we have been hearing about is Smith coming back. Harbaugh Smith coming back. Even every tv show that talked about us, just knew Smith was coming back. So i mean if u hear that you know a guy is coming back almost automatically, then why would you even attempt to make him an offer.

If after the season ended all you heard from our organization is how Smith is coming back. Why even entertain the idea. I think that also has a lot to do with why we have heard of no one calling just yet.

I don't buy into much Harbaugh says in terms of personnel decisions. He pumped Morgan up also.

Yeah, but I would argue Morgan chose to leave us to go to the Skins for more money... not the other way around.

agreed Morgan wanted to leave. He was worth more then the money we offered him(at least in Washington's mind) and he will start opposite Garcon and have RG3 throwing to him.

The money and the starting gig sent Morgan packing.

$6 million a year for Josh Morgan is just not worth it. That's absurdly overpaid. But that's the Redskins.

Who cares? It just goes to show JH really pumped a guy up and we didn't keep him. Same could happen with Alex. I think JH should just stay away from GM type comments.

Yes $6M a year is too much. IMHO he was worth $4M tops.

Cool - Yes Harbaugh said "I want him back, he is a priority" but just because he is a priority doesn't mean we will overpay the guy. Morgan knew he could get more on the open market and knew he wouldn't start here so he probably knew from the get-go that he was leaving us.

Someone wrote in the "talking to morgan" thread said they knew a girl who was friends of his and that "he had already packed his bags" last week. They could've been BSing but it with how quickly Morgan inked a new deal it sounds like they were telling the truth. It doesn't matter how much a team wants a guy, this is a multi-million dollar/billion dollar business and if someone is going to grossly overpay one of your guys you have to do the smart thing and let the guy walk and spend the money on a wiser investment.

If Alex gets offered 5 years $50M by a loser of the Manning/Flynn bananza there is no way Baalke matches it, he will simply sign Josh Johnson to a 3 year $10M deal and see how quickly Kaepernick can surpass him and start for us.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by sfout:
Originally posted by NickSh49:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Jersey9er:
I don think harbaugh is "down" with CK in 2012 one bit. I think he truly does want Smith back.

So actually IMHO, the organization did kind of screw with Smith and other teams. Now yes, Smith has said maybe once or twice he wants to be back and they want him.

Harbaugh has come straight out and said Smith's our guy. At least 5 times, after the season was over.

So how did the 49ers do this. Anyone notice that since the end of the season, all we have been hearing about is Smith coming back. Harbaugh Smith coming back. Even every tv show that talked about us, just knew Smith was coming back. So i mean if u hear that you know a guy is coming back almost automatically, then why would you even attempt to make him an offer.

If after the season ended all you heard from our organization is how Smith is coming back. Why even entertain the idea. I think that also has a lot to do with why we have heard of no one calling just yet.

I don't buy into much Harbaugh says in terms of personnel decisions. He pumped Morgan up also.

Yeah, but I would argue Morgan chose to leave us to go to the Skins for more money... not the other way around.

agreed Morgan wanted to leave. He was worth more then the money we offered him(at least in Washington's mind) and he will start opposite Garcon and have RG3 throwing to him.

The money and the starting gig sent Morgan packing.

$6 million a year for Josh Morgan is just not worth it. That's absurdly overpaid. But that's the Redskins.

Who cares? It just goes to show JH really pumped a guy up and we didn't keep him. Same could happen with Alex. I think JH should just stay away from GM type comments.

I wouldn't pay Morgan $6 million per year. He's a $3 million / year type player. That's it. Let him go for that.

Same goes for Alex...wouldn't pay him Fitzpatric type money.
theres no mystery about where alex will end up. i think theyre signing the other pieces first to structure alex deal around their contracts. there was a report that alex was happy with his 3 year deal so i think they already agreed and are just waiting to see how to set up the contract
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by sfout:
Originally posted by NickSh49:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Jersey9er:
I don think harbaugh is "down" with CK in 2012 one bit. I think he truly does want Smith back.

So actually IMHO, the organization did kind of screw with Smith and other teams. Now yes, Smith has said maybe once or twice he wants to be back and they want him.

Harbaugh has come straight out and said Smith's our guy. At least 5 times, after the season was over.

So how did the 49ers do this. Anyone notice that since the end of the season, all we have been hearing about is Smith coming back. Harbaugh Smith coming back. Even every tv show that talked about us, just knew Smith was coming back. So i mean if u hear that you know a guy is coming back almost automatically, then why would you even attempt to make him an offer.

If after the season ended all you heard from our organization is how Smith is coming back. Why even entertain the idea. I think that also has a lot to do with why we have heard of no one calling just yet.

I don't buy into much Harbaugh says in terms of personnel decisions. He pumped Morgan up also.

Yeah, but I would argue Morgan chose to leave us to go to the Skins for more money... not the other way around.

agreed Morgan wanted to leave. He was worth more then the money we offered him(at least in Washington's mind) and he will start opposite Garcon and have RG3 throwing to him.

The money and the starting gig sent Morgan packing.

$6 million a year for Josh Morgan is just not worth it. That's absurdly overpaid. But that's the Redskins.

Who cares? It just goes to show JH really pumped a guy up and we didn't keep him. Same could happen with Alex. I think JH should just stay away from GM type comments.

I wouldn't pay Morgan $6 million per year. He's a $3 million / year type player. That's it. Let him go for that.

Same goes for Alex...wouldn't pay him Fitzpatric type money.

He will get less years than Fitzpatrick. And probably less per year. Although he is probably better than Fitzpatrick. He just doesn't have many options. His option is here. So he's limited. Thus we don't have to overpay. But it helps us in other ways. Like keeping Rogers and Goldson. We couldn't if we had an $18 million QB.
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by sfout:
Originally posted by NickSh49:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Jersey9er:
I don think harbaugh is "down" with CK in 2012 one bit. I think he truly does want Smith back.

So actually IMHO, the organization did kind of screw with Smith and other teams. Now yes, Smith has said maybe once or twice he wants to be back and they want him.

Harbaugh has come straight out and said Smith's our guy. At least 5 times, after the season was over.

So how did the 49ers do this. Anyone notice that since the end of the season, all we have been hearing about is Smith coming back. Harbaugh Smith coming back. Even every tv show that talked about us, just knew Smith was coming back. So i mean if u hear that you know a guy is coming back almost automatically, then why would you even attempt to make him an offer.

If after the season ended all you heard from our organization is how Smith is coming back. Why even entertain the idea. I think that also has a lot to do with why we have heard of no one calling just yet.

I don't buy into much Harbaugh says in terms of personnel decisions. He pumped Morgan up also.

Yeah, but I would argue Morgan chose to leave us to go to the Skins for more money... not the other way around.

agreed Morgan wanted to leave. He was worth more then the money we offered him(at least in Washington's mind) and he will start opposite Garcon and have RG3 throwing to him.

The money and the starting gig sent Morgan packing.

$6 million a year for Josh Morgan is just not worth it. That's absurdly overpaid. But that's the Redskins.

Who cares? It just goes to show JH really pumped a guy up and we didn't keep him. Same could happen with Alex. I think JH should just stay away from GM type comments.

Yeah, we pumped him up because we wanted him here.

But the Redskins spend money like it's going out of style. He had a decision to make. He made it.

If someone wants to pay Alex Smith a s**tload of money, the same thing might happen. That's business.
Originally posted by nickbradley:
Originally posted by D_Niner:
Kinda hard since they already have had an offer in to Smith. for weeks now

Yes. And Smith wants Fitzpatrick-Kolb money.

Your point?
He already got that, He should thank us for never cutting his ass. Besides, Condon is a good agent.
[ Edited by TheGoldDiggerrrr on Mar 14, 2012 at 2:22 PM ]
Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
theres no mystery about where alex will end up. i think theyre signing the other pieces first to structure alex deal around their contracts. there was a report that alex was happy with his 3 year deal so i think they already agreed and are just waiting to see how to set up the contract
Agreed. This makes alot of sense to me.
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by sfout:
Originally posted by NickSh49:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Jersey9er:
I don think harbaugh is "down" with CK in 2012 one bit. I think he truly does want Smith back.

So actually IMHO, the organization did kind of screw with Smith and other teams. Now yes, Smith has said maybe once or twice he wants to be back and they want him.

Harbaugh has come straight out and said Smith's our guy. At least 5 times, after the season was over.

So how did the 49ers do this. Anyone notice that since the end of the season, all we have been hearing about is Smith coming back. Harbaugh Smith coming back. Even every tv show that talked about us, just knew Smith was coming back. So i mean if u hear that you know a guy is coming back almost automatically, then why would you even attempt to make him an offer.

If after the season ended all you heard from our organization is how Smith is coming back. Why even entertain the idea. I think that also has a lot to do with why we have heard of no one calling just yet.

I don't buy into much Harbaugh says in terms of personnel decisions. He pumped Morgan up also.

Yeah, but I would argue Morgan chose to leave us to go to the Skins for more money... not the other way around.

agreed Morgan wanted to leave. He was worth more then the money we offered him(at least in Washington's mind) and he will start opposite Garcon and have RG3 throwing to him.

The money and the starting gig sent Morgan packing.

$6 million a year for Josh Morgan is just not worth it. That's absurdly overpaid. But that's the Redskins.

Who cares? It just goes to show JH really pumped a guy up and we didn't keep him. Same could happen with Alex. I think JH should just stay away from GM type comments.

Why? Maybe he really did want him back and Morgan really did want to come back but the two sides could not make it work.

It would be troublesome to hear Baalke say those things and then not back it up.

Coach is just supporting his players.
When has Smith or anyone not named Cohn said Smith wnated more money, or more years? Alex Smith himself said he was happy with the contract offered and it would get done.

I think the most likely option is exactly what we've been talking about, the two parties are waiting to get their FA targets in, especially WRs, and Smiths contract will be worked to fit into this years cap. Meaning if they finish their signings and only have 4 or 5 million left when rookie projections are factored in, Smith will get that this year and more money in another year. If they finish up and there is extra money they might load some into this season to leave more cap space next year to sign/extend guys.

Smith has always shown he's the ultimate team player, this would fit in perfectly with his personality.
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Originally posted by TheGoldDiggerrrr:
Originally posted by nickbradley:
Originally posted by D_Niner:
Kinda hard since they already have had an offer in to Smith. for weeks now

Yes. And Smith wants Fitzpatrick-Kolb money.

Your point?
He already got that, He should thank us for never cutting his ass. Besides, Condon is a good agent.

How did he "already get it" - his rookie deal? That was 7 years ago, that money has already been repaid by him staying with the team and taking multiple pay cuts. Not to mention the $50M he's probably earned since he was drafted is less then 15% of the minimum $700M the Yorks have spent on the salary cap alone in the 7 years since drafting Alex.

The Yorks can afford to pay Alex a 3 or 4 year deal for 24-32M.