What are the chances Michael Crabtree has a breakout 2012 season, like VD in 2009?

Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
Contract year...so yeah, he ill be trying out for his beloved cowpokes

Then he'll be right were he wants to be with all the other head-cases.

Originally posted by jacklegniner:
That's a good breakdown. Thanks, for actually answering the question! No one has ever answered it when I ask. That's some really good numbers and and think you are right about the Yards. He was already close to 1000 this year and missed some time on the field. If he is healthy, hopefully he is getting more yards after the catch. Obviously everyone is still not going to be satisfied even if he does put up numbers like that.

youre welcome man. its easy for us to judge him but he is still a stellar talent and we should do everything to improve his game.

Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
Contract year...so yeah, he ill be trying out for his beloved cowpokes

Its not his contract year. He still has THREE YEARS left on his deal with the final year being voidable. so the earliest he hits the market is after the 2013 season, 2 years from now.

Michael Crabtree Wide Receiver

10/7/2009: Signed a six-year, $32 million contract. The deal contains $17 million guaranteed. Another $8 million is available through incentives. The contract can void to five years based on "unlikely to be earned" Pro Bowl and playing-time triggers. Per one clause in the deal, $15 million of Crabtree's available escalators is contingent on him participating in at least 90% of annual offseason workouts. 2012: $3.5 million, 2013: $4.5 million, 2014: $3.5 million (Voidable Year), 2015: Free Agent

Originally posted by sfout:

Originally posted by jacklegniner:
That's a good breakdown. Thanks, for actually answering the question! No one has ever answered it when I ask. That's some really good numbers and and think you are right about the Yards. He was already close to 1000 this year and missed some time on the field. If he is healthy, hopefully he is getting more yards after the catch. Obviously everyone is still not going to be satisfied even if he does put up numbers like that.

youre welcome man. its easy for us to judge him but he is still a stellar talent and we should do everything to improve his game.

Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
Contract year...so yeah, he ill be trying out for his beloved cowpokes

Its not his contract year. He still has THREE YEARS left on his deal with the final year being voidable. so the earliest he hits the market is after the 2013 season, 2 years from now.

Michael Crabtree Wide Receiver

10/7/2009: Signed a six-year, $32 million contract. The deal contains $17 million guaranteed. Another $8 million is available through incentives. The contract can void to five years based on "unlikely to be earned" Pro Bowl and playing-time triggers. Per one clause in the deal, $15 million of Crabtree's available escalators is contingent on him participating in at least 90% of annual offseason workouts. 2012: $3.5 million, 2013: $4.5 million, 2014: $3.5 million (Voidable Year), 2015: Free Agent

Then, no, no break out year for Crabs, no preseaon, no off season, I think I hear his foot swelling up as I type...

I think he is a good number two. If you get a true number one, and he starts facing number two corners, then he would dominate.

Crabtree has improved everyyear. He went from 48 to 55 to 72. He should be able to improve to 85 Catches, how many TD's and yards is another matter. So as far as BREAKOUT, that remains to be seen. If he goes to traiing camp and gets his timing down with whoever the QB is and learns to up his technique to get better sep from the CB, then yeah. What Crab doesn't realize yet is that to sell the route, he must play 24/7, meaning just cause it is not a pass play or he isn't the primary target, he still needs to sell it and play hard. As this can wear out a CB menatally if can't read the play. When you take plays off, it shows up on film.

pretty good. I'd say 95%. by this time next year this board is going to be all over Crabtree's nuts, bragging about how close they got to him at the Championship Parade.

I have difficulty agreeing with the statement "he gets better with each season." I think it's more accurate to say he gets better within each season, but then he takes an extended vacation over the off season and defaults to his typical slow start--who's interested in September football anyway?

Originally posted by BubbaParisMVP:
I have difficulty agreeing with the statement "he gets better with each season." I think it's more accurate to say he gets better within each season, but then he takes an extended vacation over the off season and defaults to his typical slow start--who's interested in September football anyway?

his catches and yards have increased each year he's been in the league.

One of the most disappointing players the 49ers have drafted in a long time.


Hoping he can turn it around next year and show the glimpses of talent that he has more consistently. But I just don't think his heart is in the game of football.

He comes across like it's more a job and I always sense a division between him and the team in terms of camaraderie.

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
One of the most disappointing players the 49ers have drafted in a long time.


Hoping he can turn it around next year and show the glimpses of talent that he has more consistently. But I just don't think his heart is in the game of football.

He comes across like it's more a job and I always sense a division between him and the team in terms of camaraderie.

Well to me it is JJ Stokes, we sacrificed a lot for his butt and he had good QBs and a passing system based offense, unlike JH, which is more run based.

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by BubbaParisMVP:
I have difficulty agreeing with the statement "he gets better with each season." I think it's more accurate to say he gets better within each season, but then he takes an extended vacation over the off season and defaults to his typical slow start--who's interested in September football anyway?

his catches and yards have increased each year he's been in the league.

If you want to go with a straight ahead quantitative approach to describing his progress, there's nothing wrong with that. I just think that focusing on the constant stop/starts and frequent retrograde periods within his development is the more accurate manner in which to describe his "progress." It seems that the consensus thinking on Crabtree now has him being a "solid #2," and given where he was picked and what he was supposed to be, that seems to suggest that placing the emphasis on a mild quantitative increase each season is akin to missing the forest for the trees.

Moreover, it begs the question as to whether it even makes sense to talk about him having a "break out" season. If you want to focus on the narrow metrics, I suppose that makes sense. But, frankly, that seems to miss the wider picture. If I were Michael Crabtree, I'd be working my tail off this off season and worrying hard about a different "b"-word: Bust.

Originally posted by BubbaParisMVP:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by BubbaParisMVP:
I have difficulty agreeing with the statement "he gets better with each season." I think it's more accurate to say he gets better within each season, but then he takes an extended vacation over the off season and defaults to his typical slow start--who's interested in September football anyway?

his catches and yards have increased each year he's been in the league.

If you want to go with a straight ahead quantitative approach to describing his progress, there's nothing wrong with that. I just think that focusing on the constant stop/starts and frequent retrograde periods within his development is the more accurate manner in which to describe his "progress." It seems that the consensus thinking on Crabtree now has him being a "solid #2," and given where he was picked and what he was supposed to be, that seems to suggest that placing the emphasis on a mild quantitative increase each season is akin to missing the forest for the trees.

Moreover, it begs the question as to whether it even makes sense to talk about him having a "break out" season. If you want to focus on the narrow metrics, I suppose that makes sense. But, frankly, that seems to miss the wider picture. If I were Michael Crabtree, I'd be working my tail off this off season and worrying hard about a different "b"-word: Bust.

he held out, which was stupid, and then he had two different injuries--one of which occurred when he was practicing in the camp his QB organized, that he was not required to attend. you can hold that against him if it makes you happy.

also, by definition "a breakout season" is one in which a player performs to his potential, far exceeding his previous performances, and "puts it all together." So it makes complete sense to talk about Crabtree "breaking out," since he hasn't quite done that yet.

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
One of the most disappointing players the 49ers have drafted in a long time.


Hoping he can turn it around next year and show the glimpses of talent that he has more consistently. But I just don't think his heart is in the game of football.

He comes across like it's more a job and I always sense a division between him and the team in terms of camaraderie.

Your joking right. He had an effed up foot and missed 2 games and still managed to be the teams leader in receptions and yards. He has gone up each of the 3 years he has been on the team in stats and has shown a lot more in 3 years than Vernon did. Yeah the dude isn't a 1000 yard receiver...yet, but he certainly is the best WR this team has had since T.O. and that's a lot of WR's coming and going since then. Rashaun Woods is a disappointment, Crabs can just be a little frustrating at times.

Originally posted by walker807:

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
One of the most disappointing players the 49ers have drafted in a long time.


Hoping he can turn it around next year and show the glimpses of talent that he has more consistently. But I just don't think his heart is in the game of football.

He comes across like it's more a job and I always sense a division between him and the team in terms of camaraderie.

Your joking right. He had an effed up foot and missed 2 games and still managed to be the teams leader in receptions and yards. He has gone up each of the 3 years he has been on the team in stats and has shown a lot more in 3 years than Vernon did. Yeah the dude isn't a 1000 yard receiver...yet, but he certainly is the best WR this team has had since T.O. and that's a lot of WR's coming and going since then. Rashaun Woods is a disappointment, Crabs can just be a little frustrating at times.

I'm with NinerPrideinNJ on this. His heart just isn't in this team, I think. I'd like tot see this guy live up to his talents but I'm not holding out hope anymore. People have more excuses for this guy than the law allow. This is a "what have you done for me lately" league. And inconsistency, lack of effort, and attitude is about all we've gotten from this guy. He is the most talented WR we have but he hasn't been the best WR we have. Morgan has.

Talent-wise, he hasn't scratched the surface. But divas quit on their teams. Which Crabtree will show up this year? I hope the talented team player one.