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Why did we overpay so much for Brooks? And where does that leave us now?

....am I having deja vu?

Didn't we just have this conversation?
Originally posted by TheGoldStandard:
to use a favorite of yours .

because he's our most complete OLB by far and the best OLB in FA and or the draft, not to mention a 3 down player in the best front 7 in football. Over-reaction thread.

We could get an OLB in the draft. He's not that great.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
I'm glad to have him back too. But an average OLB is not worth $44 million.... How do we plan on signing these guys now?


~ Alex Smith - ascending albeit not great. 2nd year players are much worse than him. Don't kid yourself.

~ Dashon Goldson - Turned down 5 years and $25 million last year before his monster year. Will be espensive this year.

~ Carlos Rogers - Would love to have him back. But huge money for a 31 year old CB doesn't make sense.

~ Adam Snyder - Have you seen Chilo play? Don't think this guy is important?.....

~ Ted Ginn - Have you seen Kyle Williams try to return kicks? Do you think going into 2012 with KW as your primary return man is a good idea?.....


With the massive overpayment to Brooks now multiple of these may not be able to be signed. I just don't know what the front office was thinking? The highest sacks he ever had was 7. The highest tackes he ever had was 49. You explain it to me?

IMO he's a product of the players around him. Justin Smith and Aldon Smith are beasts. And Ray McDonald is hugely underrated. Sopoaga is good. Willis is great. Bowman is good. He's in a phenemonal front 7. And the attention is put to other guys. I just don't think he is $44 million good. And it has future salary cap implications. I'm fine with keeping our players. But I don't think that means massively overpay. We could have made OLB a priority in the draft too and picked up Vincent Jackson or Bowe with the money. I just don't know about this deal. Glad to have him back? Yes. At this price? No way.


your kidding about Chilo right? the guy f*ckin blows
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:
He won't be paid $44 Million . . .

He will if he plays out his contract and meets signing bonuses and other bonus money....

Uh....

1) Sighning bonuses don't work that way. He is guaranteed 17 mil over SIX years.
2) If performance incentives guarantee any other part of the contract, I'll be very happy. That would mean he PLAYED VERY WELL.

Most likely, he'll never see all that money. The only thing that matters is the guarateed money. This WILL NOT limit the 49ers ability to resign other players. The first year salary is probably very, very low.
Originally posted by ninersrule4:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by ninersrule4:
Lol how do you people know he was over paid? Do you work for all o the other teams and know what his worth was?

He's not in the top 3 or 4 best players in our own front 7. He's a product of the other players around him in the front 7. Way too much for him.

Idk I liked the deal hes improved greatly this past year so who's to say he won't be even better next year? I think you are really understating his value within the front 7. Besides like many said he won't get all of that 44 mil. I trust this FO they will do the right stuff

How did he improve? He had 7 sacks 1 time in his career. And he had 49 tackles 1 time in his career.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
OK he's not a big tackle guy. You know what he's ALSO NOT A BIG SACK GUY! He's a 3 - 4 OLB who had 7 sacks 1 time in his career EVER!

This was also his first year as a starter EVER...and he's just 27. If he doesn't improve and turns out to be an average player, they'll axe his last two years ( which Im sure are heavily back loaded, meaning little to no cap hit ). If he does earn the entire contract amount of 44M, then he most likely improved to a 10+ Sack guy He is just about to hit his prime, James Harrison is one of the best 3-4 OLB in the league..look what he did before age 29 =

James Harrison ( 6'0", 242lbs )
2004 ( 26 ) - 16 Games, 45 Tackles, 36 Solo, 1 Sack, 0 FF, 2 Pass Defended, 5 Stuffs for 0 yards.
2005 ( 27 ) - 16 Games, 45 Tackles, 36 Solo, 3 Sacks, 0 FF, 4 Pass Defended, 0 Stuffs for 0 yards.
2006 ( 28 ) - 11 Games, 20 Tackles, 12 Solo, 0 Sacks, 0 FF, 0 Pass Defended, 1 Stuff for 1 yard.

You act like we saw the best of Brooks in his 1st full season as a starter in a new system. Give him a couple years, the contract may end up looking more like 24M over 4 years if he ends up being average. Or could look like a steal if he turns into something much better.

Have some faith that Balke and Jimbo know more about him than you and I.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by crabman82:
Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:
He won't be paid $44 Million . . .


if your against the deal, you'll reference 44 mil, if u like the deal you'll reference 17.5 mil, simply put its just how it is

If he meets all incentives and signing bonuses he will get $44 million. That's too much of a cap # for an average OLB. I repeat he had 7 sacks tops in his career and 49 tackles tops. That's the best he ever did. EVER! Rediculous what they paid him and how he will effect our cap for years to come.

if he meets all incentives, he would have earned his $44 million imo. but what do i know?
Originally posted by Frisco69ers:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
I'm glad to have him back too. But an average OLB is not worth $44 million.... How do we plan on signing these guys now?


~ Alex Smith - ascending albeit not great. 2nd year players are much worse than him. Don't kid yourself.

~ Dashon Goldson - Turned down 5 years and $25 million last year before his monster year. Will be espensive this year.

~ Carlos Rogers - Would love to have him back. But huge money for a 31 year old CB doesn't make sense.

~ Adam Snyder - Have you seen Chilo play? Don't think this guy is important?.....

~ Ted Ginn - Have you seen Kyle Williams try to return kicks? Do you think going into 2012 with KW as your primary return man is a good idea?.....


With the massive overpayment to Brooks now multiple of these may not be able to be signed. I just don't know what the front office was thinking? The highest sacks he ever had was 7. The highest tackes he ever had was 49. You explain it to me?

IMO he's a product of the players around him. Justin Smith and Aldon Smith are beasts. And Ray McDonald is hugely underrated. Sopoaga is good. Willis is great. Bowman is good. He's in a phenemonal front 7. And the attention is put to other guys. I just don't think he is $44 million good. And it has future salary cap implications. I'm fine with keeping our players. But I don't think that means massively overpay. We could have made OLB a priority in the draft too and picked up Vincent Jackson or Bowe with the money. I just don't know about this deal. Glad to have him back? Yes. At this price? No way.


your kidding about Chilo right? the guy f*ckin blows

You want Chilo instead of Snyder? We have to sign Snyder. He's a FA.
Well, comparing it to D'Qwell Jacksons contract probably isnt a bad idea. Here are the details on that so far.

Five-year, $42.5 million deal that includes $19 million in guaranteed money and roster bonuses. (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7621132/cleveland-browns-re-sign-lb-dqwell-jackson-multiyear-deal)


D'Qwell plays middle linebacker in the 4-3, which is somewhat comparable value to a OLB in the 3-4. I think some might argue OLB are more important.


Next to that contract, Brooks doesn't look so bad. He's younger and has a much better injury history. He has been a head case in the past, but he's seem to have matured since then. (This has been pretty well documented).


I agree that he might be a product of the players around him, but I think you can certainly argue that depth wise, OLB is a huge need for the 49ers and they pretty much took care of that going into the season.


Also, I don't think Adam Synder will go for a very big contract. If they sign Ted Ginn, it probably won't be fore very much. If they don't, I suspect they will find someone to compete with KW in the draft or FA for cheap. You shouldn't overspend for someone simply because the return kicks and punts only. I'm not too worried about that though because the 49ers have made ST a priority it seems.


On last thing...let's wait until we have the finalized details submitted to the league before we assume we "overpaid" for Brooks. To quote MM:


What changed with Brooks? You seemed all but certain that he would walk. (Matt Brantley)


That answer will likely be available later this week when the true contract numbers of the contract are filed with the league. The agent typically controls the first wave of reported contract numbers, and almost without fail those figures are inflated.

There are a lot of people around the league who are curious to see exactly how much the 49ers paid to retain Brooks, who played well last season in his first year as an NFL starter. In five previous NFL seasons, Brooks started a combined an eight games.


We didnt overpay....so i didnt read.
Originally posted by DRUSTOPO:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
OK he's not a big tackle guy. You know what he's ALSO NOT A BIG SACK GUY! He's a 3 - 4 OLB who had 7 sacks 1 time in his career EVER!

This was also his first year as a starter EVER...and he's just 27. If he doesn't improve and turns out to be an average player, they'll axe his last two years ( which Im sure are heavily back loaded, meaning little to no cap hit ). If he does earn the entire contract amount of 44M, then he most likely improved to a 10+ Sack guy He is just about to hit his prime, James Harrison is one of the best 3-4 OLB in the league..look what he did before age 29 =

James Harrison ( 6'0", 242lbs )
2004 ( 26 ) - 16 Games, 45 Tackles, 36 Solo, 1 Sack, 0 FF, 2 Pass Defended, 5 Stuffs for 0 yards.
2005 ( 27 ) - 16 Games, 45 Tackles, 36 Solo, 3 Sacks, 0 FF, 4 Pass Defended, 0 Stuffs for 0 yards.
2006 ( 28 ) - 11 Games, 20 Tackles, 12 Solo, 0 Sacks, 0 FF, 0 Pass Defended, 1 Stuff for 1 yard.

You act like we saw the best of Brooks in his 1st full season as a starter in a new system. Give him a couple years, the contract may end up looking more like 24M over 4 years if he ends up being average. Or could look like a steal if he turns into something much better.

Have some faith that Balke and Jimbo know more about him than you and I.

Now we are comparing him to James Harrison?.... The most sacks he had in his life is 7.
Originally posted by solidg2000:
KamerIon Wimbley
5 year 48 mil 29 guarenteed
Chad Greenway
5 year 41 mil 21 guarenteed
Karlos Dansby (2010)
5 year 43 mil 22 guarenteed

Is Brooks better then these men?
Keep I'm mind Brooks also played more snaps then ant othe defensive player
Mods please merge this stupid thread.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Now we are comparing him to James Harrison?.... The most sacks he had in his life is 7.

Just the facts SanD, the numbers are the numbers. If you were a Steelers fan in 06 you would have argued that Harrison was not worth keeping, what since he had 4 sacks in 3 years and all.
Originally posted by solidg2000:
Originally posted by solidg2000:
KamerIon Wimbley
5 year 48 mil 29 guarenteed
Chad Greenway
5 year 41 mil 21 guarenteed
Karlos Dansby (2010)
5 year 43 mil 22 guarenteed

Is Brooks better then these men?
Keep I'm mind Brooks also played more snaps then ant othe defensive player

Wimbley: 11 Sacks, 69 Tackles - Career High.

Brooks: 7 Sacks, 49 Tackles - Career High.