Originally posted by NextofKIN:
I think the answer is simple. It is Alex Smith. Though capable, he does not have confidence in himself. He can make all the throws and when he believes in himself the 49ers offense will be great.
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Originally posted by NextofKIN:
I think the answer is simple. It is Alex Smith. Though capable, he does not have confidence in himself. He can make all the throws and when he believes in himself the 49ers offense will be great.
Originally posted by 80sbaby24:
Originally posted by LoneWolf:
Originally posted by 80sbaby24:
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
Originally posted by 80sbaby24:
Im just curious. So one of the main reasons our offense wasnt very good in a lot of your eyes, was that we didnt have continuity and time in the offense. Well you guys who keep saying that are also the same guys saying that we need to upgrade our WRs.
Well wouldnt that mean we wouldnt have continuity? Wouldnt that mean these new WRs would still need time in a new offense? I swear its a vicious cycle of excuses/reasons why our offense isnt very good. When will it end?
we need time but our WR arent exactly world class brett swain and hastings ssaw time because of injuries
an UNDFA and swain a castoff who was sitting on the couch till week 6 or 7 when we picked him up
and continuity is in terms of playbook and system
Your first two lines are irrelevant in terms of continuity and time in a system.
Your last line is exactly the point I was making. These new WRs that you and others want to bring in will have ZERO continuity in terms of playbook and system. So once again, there will be a built in excuse for having a subpar offense in 2012.
How are the first 2 lines irrelevant to time in a system?
Swain was picked up 6-7 weeks into the season, and Hastings was brought up from the practice squad IIRC when Braylon was released. They are perfect examples of having no time in a system. When your missing your starters due to injuries and you have no one currently in the depth charts to bring up to take over the starter position it becomes an issue within the WR core because you don't have enough people within that core, with enough familiarity with the new system to make your receivers anything more then bodies on the field. So I do agree to a certain extent, that WR's aren't the total issue, depth is. I also believe that we do need to upgrade our core with someone to take over Braylon's spot. Because Swain or Hastings do not belong anywhere other then a practice squad for now, I don't think Kyle is quite ready for starter duties, and we need a receiver that will force just as much attention as Vernon does.
Look, you are missing the point. Yes, Brett Swain and Hastings had no time in our system. I agree. The point I was making was that the new WRs we bring in ALSO will have had no time in our system. So like I said, in 2012, we will once again have a built in excuse for the offense being below average. Where do the excuses/reasons end?
Originally posted by Bootlegger:
What about this comparison. Do the Ravens have vastly superior receivers to us?
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by Bootlegger:
What about this comparison. Do the Ravens have vastly superior receivers to us?
A Bolden = better than any 9er WR (11th last year)
T Smith = better than any 9er WR (19th last year)
Evans = 9 year vet and solid receiver (25th last year)
Yes, I would say the Ravens WRs were vastly superior to the 9ers injury plagued group. Four receivers in the top 25 last year.
Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by Bootlegger:
What about this comparison. Do the Ravens have vastly superior receivers to us?
A Bolden = better than any 9er WR (11th last year)
T Smith = better than any 9er WR (19th last year)
Evans = 9 year vet and solid receiver (25th last year)
Yes, I would say the Ravens WRs were vastly superior to the 9ers injury plagued group. Four receivers in the top 25 last year.
if that doesnt answer it then i would like to present brett swain and joe hastings as further evidence. f**k our receiving corps
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by Bootlegger:
What about this comparison. Do the Ravens have vastly superior receivers to us?
A Bolden = better than any 9er WR
T Smith = better than any 9er WR
Evans = 9 year vet and solid receiver
Yes, I would say the Ravens WRs were vastly superior to the 9ers injury plagued group. Four receivers in the top 25 last year. Crabtree against this group? Are you kidding?
Originally posted by LoneWolf:
Really all that shows me is that crabtree is in between there #1 and #2 receiver when it comes to yards, but for some reason took 50% more receptions to get close to boldins yards. It also shows me our #1 TE would be dominant almost anywhere, but there 1 and 2 dominate our #2. It also shows one thing to look for in our future search for a running back.
Originally posted by Bootlegger:
I think this shows that our WRs are, at least, as skilled as Baltimore's receivers.
updated charts with weighted averages, instead of broken averages.
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by Bootlegger:
I think this shows that our WRs are, at least, as skilled as Baltimore's receivers.
updated charts with weighted averages, instead of broken averages.
Stats taken out of context are next to meaningless. Baltimore does not have a HC named Jim Harbaugh who directs an offense that is efficient first and foremost. They do not have a TE named Vernon who is their best threat. They do have numerous good options who shared their workload. Anyone who would compare the 9ers WR favorably to Baltimore's is just not being objective.
Boldin (average YPC 15.6) has a history of success as a receiver--offensive rookie of the year, 3 pro bowls, an All-Pro.
Torey Smith (average YPC 16.8) 50 receptions, 841 receiving yards and a team leading 7 receiving touchdowns.
Crabtree (average YPC 12.1) more catches but similar total yards (874) than Boldin (887) and Smith (841).
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by 80sbaby24:
Look, you are missing the point. Yes, Brett Swain and Hastings had no time in our system. I agree. The point I was making was that the new WRs we bring in ALSO will have had no time in our system. So like I said, in 2012, we will once again have a built in excuse for the offense being below average. Where do the excuses/reasons end?
In your quest to continue the debate you are ignoring the proven ability of Harbaugh and staff to develop/improve players. Everyone on the team improved during the last season except RG and WRs. The RG situation is about talent and the WRs were partly talent and partly injuries. With improved talent in those areas, and a full off-season and TC, there is no reason to believe those two positions will not show marked improvement under JH and staff.
Originally posted by Bootlegger:
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by Bootlegger:
What about this comparison. Do the Ravens have vastly superior receivers to us?
A Bolden = better than any 9er WR
T Smith = better than any 9er WR
Evans = 9 year vet and solid receiver
Yes, I would say the Ravens WRs were vastly superior to the 9ers injury plagued group. Four receivers in the top 25 last year. Crabtree against this group? Are you kidding?
I think this shows that our WRs are, at least, as skilled as Baltimore's receivers.
updated charts with weighted averages, instead of broken averages.