Is there any 49er that is more over-rated than Delanie Walker? | Page 27

Phoenix49ers · 2012-02-15T13:42:14-08:00

Just asking. I keep hearing that the 49ers shouldn't draft a tight-end because they've got one great TE and one "very good TE." I'm just trying to discover what this is being based off of? -His career high of 330 yards receiving? -His career total of 5 touchdown's? -The fact that he's 6 feet tall, considerably shorter than just about every other tight-end in football? -The fact that up until this season he had fumbled the ball away more times than he had scored touchdowns? -After the Giants game he went the rest of the season without a reception and dropped a few key passes during that time. I just don't get the hype. Yeah he's a good blocker and a so-so receiver, but he's also extremely under-sized, seeing how frequently the 49ers use 2 TE sets, I think its rather foolish to say "oh no, they don't need to improve" when you've got a rather ordinary 2nd TE by all accounts. I'm just trying to figure out where the hype is coming from. He's a solid player and a good stop-gap but to go out and say "no, we're good, we don't need anymore" when New England had 2 tight-ends with basically 1000 yard seasons, when Carolina has 2 TE's going 6'5", is very short-sighted. Yet I keep hearing on the Webzone and pretty much everywhere else "oh, no, we're good, we have two good tight ends, we don't need anymore", like this self-perpetuating mythology that has built up.

Dec 6, 2012 at 5:50 PM

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Originally posted by mug0mug:
And remember he was drafted in the 6th round. Not much was expected of him and he's played well enough to compete for the #1 TE spot on some teams, along with having great versatility. Everyone would rather have Gronkowski, but you can't have the best player in the league at every position. I'd love to improve every position, but you have to have priorities and TE isn't one of'em with some much greater needs elsewhere.

Dec 6, 2012 at 6:33 PM

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It's going to take me a while to get over that miss last Sunday, because he just has to make that catch to make it a 70-second response to a catastrophic mistake in a hostile dome stadium. And it wasn't one of Kaepernick's fastballs. It was a floater right into his hands. Horrible, man, horrible.

Dec 6, 2012 at 6:45 PM

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Originally posted by GNielsen:
It's going to take me a while to get over that miss last Sunday, because he just has to make that catch to make it a 70-second response to a catastrophic mistake in a hostile dome stadium. And it wasn't one of Kaepernick's fastballs. It was a floater right into his hands. Horrible, man, horrible.

Yep. And he followed up with a penalty the next play.

Dec 6, 2012 at 7:08 PM

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Originally posted by SportsFan:

Originally posted by GNielsen:
It's going to take me a while to get over that miss last Sunday, because he just has to make that catch to make it a 70-second response to a catastrophic mistake in a hostile dome stadium. And it wasn't one of Kaepernick's fastballs. It was a floater right into his hands. Horrible, man, horrible.

Yep. And he followed up with a penalty the next play.

plus vernon was the invisible man out there. there has to be someone we can draft that can do better than walker. maybe mid round?

Dec 6, 2012 at 7:08 PM

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Forgot about the penalty the next play, hope they use one of their plethora of mid round picks next year on a TE.

Dec 6, 2012 at 7:11 PM

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They've got a massive amount of picks. I wouldn't be surprised if they moved up to take another freak like Davis at TE, maybe in the second round.

Dec 6, 2012 at 7:13 PM

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Originally posted by GNielsen:
They've got a massive amount of picks. I wouldn't be surprised if they moved up to take another freak like Davis at TE, maybe in the second round.

quik off topic sorry,,,, do you dare think they will spend a pick on a kicker?? we have to do something on that

Dec 6, 2012 at 7:33 PM

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Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by GNielsen:
They've got a massive amount of picks. I wouldn't be surprised if they moved up to take another freak like Davis at TE, maybe in the second round.

quik off topic sorry,,,, do you dare think they will spend a pick on a kicker?? we have to do something on that

Paying an established kicker > wasting a draft pick.

Dec 6, 2012 at 8:09 PM

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Originally posted by cciowa:
not since arnez battle has one person been so over estimated and over rated by some fans

Yep. And the announcers are always going crazy over him. I just think in this system we need another explosive TE. I like DWalk but he is maddening!!!

Dec 6, 2012 at 8:14 PM

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Originally posted by GNielsen:
It's going to take me a while to get over that miss last Sunday, because he just has to make that catch to make it a 70-second response to a catastrophic mistake in a hostile dome stadium. And it wasn't one of Kaepernick's fastballs. It was a floater right into his hands. Horrible, man, horrible.

But it was a bad play call. Dont know whether it was the coaches or Kaep just audibling out, but why even go for a TD and give the other team the opportunity to tie it with a TO left. Interesting that a lot of times the team plays ultraconservative when we shouldnt, and the one time where a run-run-run FG would have won us the game, we opt for a TD pass - run - run to the outside - FG. Bad playcalling leading to bad execution all around on those final 4 downs, and thats what did us in.

Gotta blame coaching on that. Mind you, Kaep 50+ yard run was right before the 2 minute warning; Im surprised no one bothered to tell him during the break that the objective was to leave the Rams minimal time to execute.

Dec 6, 2012 at 8:17 PM

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One big question going into 2013. Is there someone that can be our explosive TE2 via draft or free agency. I'd hate to draft a kid we've got to wait 3 years for when Delanie is a capable TE2. A bunch wanted Fleener this year, he's gonna take time. Delanie does a lot of good things.

Dec 6, 2012 at 8:19 PM

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I think we should keep Delanie, if he comes cheap. He's a valuable backup TE that does everything they ask of him. I think maybe he should work on his pass catching skills. Have them shoot fastballs to Delanie everyday in practice to catch using those ball throwing machines.

Dec 6, 2012 at 8:26 PM

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Originally posted by ginseng1000:
I think we should keep Delanie, if he comes cheap. He's a valuable backup TE that does everything they ask of him. I think maybe he should work on his pass catching skills. Have them shoot fastballs to Delanie everyday in practice to catch using those ball throwing machines.

i do not want him even if he is cheap.. we need a upgrade in my opinion esp if vernon is going to pull this invisible man trick like he has done this year

Dec 6, 2012 at 8:29 PM

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Originally posted by IowaNiner16:
One big question going into 2013. Is there someone that can be our explosive TE2 via draft or free agency. I'd hate to draft a kid we've got to wait 3 years for when Delanie is a capable TE2. A bunch wanted Fleener this year, he's gonna take time. Delanie does a lot of good things.

He's also 6 f**king feet tall and can't catch the ball when he was originally drafted as a WR. I care f**k all about his blocking at this point, being a midget backup offensive lineman isn't going to get it done. The 49ers need to bring in a big, tall, physical receiving threat at TE and there's a few to choose from in the draft who
match that description.

[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Dec 6, 2012 at 8:30 PM ]

Dec 6, 2012 at 8:30 PM

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Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by ginseng1000:
I think we should keep Delanie, if he comes cheap. He's a valuable backup TE that does everything they ask of him. I think maybe he should work on his pass catching skills. Have them shoot fastballs to Delanie everyday in practice to catch using those ball throwing machines.

i do not want him even if he is cheap.. we need a upgrade in my opinion esp if vernon is going to pull this invisible man trick like he has done this year

I think we keep Walker. Only a handful of teams (primarily NE) has a 2-headed TE monster that they can use effectively in most down situations. VD is a beast, and with Kaep being more of a resourceful QB (in terms of spreading the ball), I think VD will get a lot more chances in the coming years. Walker is a good compliment to Davis. Since the Kaep era, he's made some bone-headed drops, but he's also made some key 3rd down catches for some big chunks of yards. Plus, he's good at blocking and doesnt commit penalties.

I like the VD-Walker combo, and I think it'll have success for many years.